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  • Kira (Death Note) vs Batman


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    Kira takes the same campaign he took on in his story, but this time in the DCU. For this instance, assume Batman is going to be working on this case.

    Round 1: Batman is more or less on his own, beyond the immediate help of the bat family.

    If Batman fails, we progress to round 2
    Round 2: the rest of the DCU plays a part, Batman begins the investigation on his own however, and it's not like Spectre is gonna just come up and offer help. Any help Batman enlists will have to be help that would realistically come to him.

    It is assumed to take place on Post-Crisis Earth up to just before Flashpoint.
    What happens and how does it happen? What is the state of the world after this?

    Bonus: He faces Nolanverse batman, in about the after the Dark Knight (no Joker obviously).

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    Round 1: Thanks to his tech and past similar instances, he'll find out who writes what in some papers and when the deaths happen, if Kira does it in front of any cameras and is unaware of Batman's presence. A few weeks it'll take, at most.

    Round 2: With his good detective friend, Martian Manhunter, the case is solved even quicker thanks to Kira's wide array of abilities. There's been times when Batman couldn't crack a code only MMH could.

    Bonus: Detective vision is helpful, but it'll take even longer than both previous rounds.

    Extra Bonus: Arkhamverse and DCAU have had similar instances, and naturally, they'd succeed quicker than Nolanverse Batman.


    Retribution.

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    • #3
      It's not exactly interesting if Kira doesn't know what's going on until Batman finds out, I suppose I failed to specify, but yes, Batman is hunting Kira, but Kira is also aware of Batman.

      And regarding the rounds as a whole, you've mentioned tech but... How does that translate to a victory? Detective vision especially seems like a non-sequitur.

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      • #4
        Batman from Post-Crisis onwards through Wayne Enterprises possessed the most advanced technology in the planet. Pair that with a high intellect and impressive deductive mind that's almost unrivaled and often compared to the legendary Sherlock Holmes and the fact that Kira's just one of many similar baddies Batman has brought to justice and it's hard to see how Kira wouldn't be captured even quicker than how it happened to him originally with far less advanced tech against him.


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        • #5
          Kira's just too predictable. He kills people he sees on TV or reads up online, usually the moment he sees them, and that's something that can be traced by Batman's super tech stuff. Kira could change his MO, but not only is he so arrogant that he hates doing so, but when he does change it it's blatantly obvious.

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          • #6
            I doubt that. Sure he's predictable at first, but when he figures that people is catching on to him, he genuinely changes the way he works. He even gave up his death note temporarily if it meant getting his name cleared. Also, you have to remember that Light is someone who rivaled the world's greatest detective, L, who made accurate assumptions by using the vaguest of things and connecting them together. There's also the fact that L had the cooperation of the police, but, I'm not sure if Batman lacks it.

            Batman makes up for his technology, though. Like Darker said, he could trace Light. But I'm skeptical about this, given that in-universe they have never tried tracing Kira. Also Batman needs to narrow down the area like L did, to have a clear idea of where Kira is. He would need the cooperation of the police for this.

            Either way, I could go on and on, and I see this confrontation going either ways. Light could get lucky and find some clues connecting Batman to Bruce Wayne. In the event he confirms this, Batman would be an easy target. Him being a billionaire and CEO of a world famous corporation, no doubt he has pics or vids on the internet.

            Though, due to how cocky Light is and that Batman is an ideal counter to the death note(Unlike L, Batman has his face concealed, too. The death note needs the user to know both the real name and face of the person they have to write) Light would inevitable slip up before he figures out anything and Batman brings him to justice.

            IMO Batman takes this about 6/10

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Vitalista View Post
              I doubt that. Sure he's predictable at first, but when he figures that people is catching on to him, he genuinely changes the way he works. He even gave up his death note temporarily if it meant getting his name cleared. Also, you have to remember that Light is someone who rivaled the world's greatest detective, L, who made accurate assumptions by using the vaguest of things and connecting them together. There's also the fact that L had the cooperation of the police, but, I'm not sure if Batman lacks it.

              Batman makes up for his technology, though. Like Darker said, he could trace Light. But I'm skeptical about this, given that in-universe they have never tried tracing Kira. Also Batman needs to narrow down the area like L did, to have a clear idea of where Kira is. He would need the cooperation of the police for this.

              Either way, I could go on and on, and I see this confrontation going either ways. Light could get lucky and find some clues connecting Batman to Bruce Wayne. In the event he confirms this, Batman would be an easy target. Him being a billionaire and CEO of a world famous corporation, no doubt he has pics or vids on the internet.

              Though, due to how cocky Light is and that Batman is an ideal counter to the death note(Unlike L, Batman has his face concealed, too. The death note needs the user to know both the real name and face of the person they have to write) Light would inevitable slip up before he figures out anything and Batman brings him to justice.

              IMO Batman takes this about 6/10
              When Light changes the way he works, he's far too obvious about it. There's the infamous potato chip scene, where he can't help but gloat even when he knows there are cameras there watching him. He does rival L, but L had to deal with trying to justify the existence of magic, the fact that Light's father constantly shielded him even in situations where it was very clear who he was(the guy shadowing him dies oh so conveniently), and the fact that Light had an extra Death Note and death god to work with.

              In-universe, they never traced Kira because technology was so primitive. With modern cameras, you would probably be able to tell what's going on in the potato chip scene and then the jig is up, as an example. Batman can also trace internet searches with vastly more ease than back then. As far as narrowing down the area, it's not all that hard, since if Kira wants to stay off the internet(a veritable seal of defeat given how easily Batman could track someone searching up criminals minutes before they die) then he'll have to go by news on the television and he'll get only local criminals there.

              L had Light by the tail, but Light had Misa and Rem to bail him out of losing. He'd have been screwed by L were it not for that, let alone Batman.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by lazerbem View Post
                When Light changes the way he works, he's far too obvious about it. There's the infamous potato chip scene, where he can't help but gloat even when he knows there are cameras there watching him. He does rival L, but L had to deal with trying to justify the existence of magic, the fact that Light's father constantly shielded him even in situations where it was very clear who he was(the guy shadowing him dies oh so conveniently), and the fact that Light had an extra Death Note and death god to work with.

                In-universe, they never traced Kira because technology was so primitive. With modern cameras, you would probably be able to tell what's going on in the potato chip scene and then the jig is up, as an example. Batman can also trace internet searches with vastly more ease than back then. As far as narrowing down the area, it's not all that hard, since if Kira wants to stay off the internet(a veritable seal of defeat given how easily Batman could track someone searching up criminals minutes before they die) then he'll have to go by news on the television and he'll get only local criminals there.

                L had Light by the tail, but Light had Misa and Rem to bail him out of losing. He'd have been screwed by L were it not for that, let alone Batman.
                Points taken. Yeah it is true Light had many plot conveniences to help him out.

                So yeah, Batman wins more than often. But a large part of why he wins IMO is his technology. Him having satellites and supercomputers and whatsnot. Put him in L's shoes(that means no Bat technology) I don't see how he'll fare any better.

                There's also the question if Light has Misa & the shinigamis on his side. If he has Misa, it's basically an insta win for him. Tell Misa to look up Batman(No doubt he has some pics on the internet or got some sort of media coverage), She would see Bruce Wayne on the pics(The shinigami eyes work on pics and videos, you don't have to see the target in person) and she'd tell him the name. Basically, once Kira figures out Batman = Bruce Wayne, it's pretty much a win.

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                • #9
                  I feel like Kira should win this mostly, it wouldn't be hard for him to figure out how much of a threat Batman is and it would be MUCH easier to find out who Batman is I'd say.

                  All he'd have to do is find people who might know Batman, like Jim Gordon. Enlist the help of some thugs by killing a few and making up some bullshit about how he can kill them.
                  This part is optional just Jim Gordon vs a scrawny teenager isn't a fight, I'm sure Light would think of a more elegant solution.
                  But yeah figure out the identity of someone who might know Batman, threaten them and their family with death.
                  Back to Gordon, either he doesn't know or wouldn't tell...but Batman knows him, he's still important to Bats.

                  And then the options there are many.

                  Threaten Gordon and his kids and demand that Batman reveal his identity or they die.
                  Failing that increase the list of people until Batman gives in.

                  Would Batman really just let potentially hundreds of people die to keep his identity a secret? I can't imagine he would, he'd surely sacrifice himself in the hopes that some other hero figures out who Kira is, surely?


                  It would be obvious that Batman is a major threat but he'd be much easier to lure out than L, keep tech minimal and how does he even trace this? Kira wouldn't even really need to be broadcasting messages, he'd certainly want to be getting Batman out of the way first which he would ideally do before everyone is after him.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Steve View Post
                    I feel like Kira should win this mostly, it wouldn't be hard for him to figure out how much of a threat Batman is and it would be MUCH easier to find out who Batman is I'd say.

                    All he'd have to do is find people who might know Batman, like Jim Gordon. Enlist the help of some thugs by killing a few and making up some bullshit about how he can kill them.
                    This part is optional just Jim Gordon vs a scrawny teenager isn't a fight, I'm sure Light would think of a more elegant solution.
                    But yeah figure out the identity of someone who might know Batman, threaten them and their family with death.
                    Back to Gordon, either he doesn't know or wouldn't tell...but Batman knows him, he's still important to Bats.

                    And then the options there are many.

                    Threaten Gordon and his kids and demand that Batman reveal his identity or they die.
                    Failing that increase the list of people until Batman gives in.

                    Would Batman really just let potentially hundreds of people die to keep his identity a secret? I can't imagine he would, he'd surely sacrifice himself in the hopes that some other hero figures out who Kira is, surely?


                    It would be obvious that Batman is a major threat but he'd be much easier to lure out than L, keep tech minimal and how does he even trace this? Kira wouldn't even really need to be broadcasting messages, he'd certainly want to be getting Batman out of the way first which he would ideally do before everyone is after him.
                    Why would he think Jim Gordon knows who Batman is? The fact that he can turn on the Bat signal proves absolutely nothing. Kidnapping Jim in an attempt to use him as a hostage to negotiate for Batman's identity is all kinds of awful as a plan because even if he does succeed in taking down Batman, he's also just completely outed himself and is going to get arrested by the cops. He wouldn't do this for the same reason that he wouldn't do the Shinigami eye deal, he's completely opposed to the idea of putting himself at any kind of risk.

                    Even assuming he does do this, how does he manage to keep this whole thing a secret? He might be able to spook some thugs into helping him, but those thugs have friends and connections that would notice they're doing something different from the usual. And those people can in turn tell Batman that.

                    As far as Batman giving up his identity, why does he need to? If Light just boldly goes and threatens Jim's life like that, there'll be evidence of a scuffle and his disappearance that Batman can personally track down in order to rescue him. If Light's not at that location and he does follow through on his threat, then he loses his leverage and while Batman will be sad about his fuck up, he can just continue to track him.

                    Light doesn't keep tech minimal because if he does, then he kills at a snail's pace (and predictably) and he doesn't want to do that. He either has to make where he is based super obvious because of only local criminals on the news dying or else become traceable via Internet.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by lazerbem View Post

                      Why would he think Jim Gordon knows who Batman is? The fact that he can turn on the Bat signal proves absolutely nothing. Kidnapping Jim in an attempt to use him as a hostage to negotiate for Batman's identity is all kinds of awful as a plan because even if he does succeed in taking down Batman, he's also just completely outed himself and is going to get arrested by the cops. He wouldn't do this for the same reason that he wouldn't do the Shinigami eye deal, he's completely opposed to the idea of putting himself at any kind of risk.

                      Even assuming he does do this, how does he manage to keep this whole thing a secret? He might be able to spook some thugs into helping him, but those thugs have friends and connections that would notice they're doing something different from the usual. And those people can in turn tell Batman that.

                      As far as Batman giving up his identity, why does he need to? If Light just boldly goes and threatens Jim's life like that, there'll be evidence of a scuffle and his disappearance that Batman can personally track down in order to rescue him. If Light's not at that location and he does follow through on his threat, then he loses his leverage and while Batman will be sad about his fuck up, he can just continue to track him.

                      Light doesn't keep tech minimal because if he does, then he kills at a snail's pace (and predictably) and he doesn't want to do that. He either has to make where he is based super obvious because of only local criminals on the news dying or else become traceable via Internet.

                      It doesn't but Batman is clearly involved with him so why wouldn't you start there? He has a family therefore he'd be an easy target and whatever happens it's going to get a reaction out of Batman which will make finding his identity much easier.

                      What are they going to tell Batman though? Is Light so dumb that he wouldn't cover his face or anything? I doubt he's so stupid that when his main target is Batman that he'd just drop critical bits of information. The thugs shouldn't be any help to Batman and they're optional anyway.


                      If that doesn't work just do the same again, would Batman really let the bodies pile up endlessly? There is no range limiter on the Death Note so it's not like he has to stay in Gotham, just get some people to keep Gordon in a van somewhere and give Batman 8 hours to reveal himself to the press. Light doesn't even need to be there.
                      If Batman doesn't reveal himself, that particular plan failed and he can just write Jim's name down even if Batman finds him somehow.

                      Why would he use the internet against Batman? Terrible idea. Light is incredibly smart, would he really fuck up that badly? He'd only need written notes, heck he wouldn't even have to write them.
                      This would be a slow process but again, his opponent is Batman. Why take that lightly? There's no real time limit here, it would be stupid for him to rush and screw things up when he's against the greatest detective in the world.

                      Paper notes to be read by Batman alone.
                      A long line of innocent corpses, some of which may or may not be important to him. It's the most sensible way to try and break him while still keeping hidden.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Steve View Post


                        It doesn't but Batman is clearly involved with him so why wouldn't you start there? He has a family therefore he'd be an easy target and whatever happens it's going to get a reaction out of Batman which will make finding his identity much easier.

                        What are they going to tell Batman though? Is Light so dumb that he wouldn't cover his face or anything? I doubt he's so stupid that when his main target is Batman that he'd just drop critical bits of information. The thugs shouldn't be any help to Batman and they're optional anyway.


                        If that doesn't work just do the same again, would Batman really let the bodies pile up endlessly? There is no range limiter on the Death Note so it's not like he has to stay in Gotham, just get some people to keep Gordon in a van somewhere and give Batman 8 hours to reveal himself to the press. Light doesn't even need to be there.
                        If Batman doesn't reveal himself, that particular plan failed and he can just write Jim's name down even if Batman finds him somehow.

                        Why would he use the internet against Batman? Terrible idea. Light is incredibly smart, would he really fuck up that badly? He'd only need written notes, heck he wouldn't even have to write them.
                        This would be a slow process but again, his opponent is Batman. Why take that lightly? There's no real time limit here, it would be stupid for him to rush and screw things up when he's against the greatest detective in the world.

                        Paper notes to be read by Batman alone.
                        A long line of innocent corpses, some of which may or may not be important to him. It's the most sensible way to try and break him while still keeping hidden.
                        Light didn't cover his face with Raye Penber nor did he ask Rem to cover her face with Kyosuke. As far as what thugs can tell Batman, they can tell him where Light went after he met with them and other such things. Light would have a Japanese accent, for example. He'd have to fly to Gotham in order to get any kind of interaction down with the locals and that has traces.

                        There wouldn't be an endless pile of bodies. In fact, there wouldn't be any pile of bodies at all because Light also didn't do this against L. You'd think that Light would have just gone on a killing spree against the police if he acted like you said he did, but he didn't. It was Misa who tried to bait out L in that fashion and not Light.

                        Light is incredibly stupid when it comes to his divine mission. He'll gloat to himself when he knows there are cameras watching him, he randomly kills someone because they called him evil, and he generally refuses to ever be stingy with the Death Note. The thought of Light just slowing his pace down to a snail's crawl doesn't fit him in the least. I'm not saying he'd use the internet against Batman, but rather to find the names of the criminals he needs to kill. This is basically a necessity unless he wants to kill far too slowly and predictably.

                        How does he even send paper notes for Batman alone without being traced? Paper packages are even easier to trace than other methods, as Misa found out.

                        It's not sensible because he didn't do this against L. You could argue "Well Light knew L wouldn't care", but not only does he have no proof of that, but he also has zero reason to think that Batman does care enough to reveal himself.

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                        • #13
                          I was thinking that, since he exists in the DCU, aware of the existence of super-beings and pop criminals, the actions of this hypotheticlal Kira would be significantly different from those of the one we know, but OP specifies that he's going about his plan just like he did in the manga, meaning that even if he knows of the existence of Batman (and the myriad other people in the DCU who could pose a threat to his plans), he chose to ignore it. So he'll only go after Batman if Batman goes after him first, and does so publicly. Meaning Batman has a significant advantage here... he can just conduct operations covertly, using the over-the-top resources of a comic book billionaire vigilante to track down Kira (first to Tokyo and then narrowing it further down to Kanto without needing to pull a Lind L. Taylor-style stunt). Honestly, with Batman's ridiculous comic book tech, Light shouldn't be much harder for him to catch than some of his usual villains, provided he managed to keep his investigation under wraps; which most versions of Batman would be able to do, I think.

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                          • #14
                            Batman has a higher IQ than Kira, and Batman has the best tech and billions of dollars. Id even argue that if we go by the comics, Batman has experience dealing with Criminals using supernatural/mystical powers. Also good luck to Kira trying to figure out who Batman really is. Greater villains have tried.
                            Last edited by Elite Saiyan; Yesterday, 10:43 AM.

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