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  • Super 17 in the ToP

    Suppose that 17 in DBS got the same boost that 17 did in GT and got all of his abilities, how would the ToP change? Would he be able to win the fights that 17 lost, would he lose ones that he won?

    Bonus: 18 gets the same boost.

  • #2
    The crazy thing about GT 17 is that there's no real implication that 17 gained any power, so the jump into Super 17 is basically going from android arc power to baby arc level power. That's something that could range a hundred to several thousands of times stronger. I'd say that Super 17 in Super here would be a beast that could also maintain a good fight with the top tiers through absorbing their energy blasts.

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    • #3
      Honestly, Super 17 would be even more dangerous then 17 was in the ToP, and might have an advantage in certain fights that 17 had to pretty much run from. For one thing, he would have been able to simply absorb many of Jiren or Top's Ki Blast attacks which in turn would have made them waste energy. The question is, can Super 17 absorb Top's Destruction Energy? If he can, then there is really no way to harm him with Energy Attacks.

      But here's the scary thing. If he's a fusion of Hell Fighter 17 and the Super version of 17, then Super Android 17 would be even more powerful then he was in GT. This means he could easily surpass Golden Frieza, Super Saiyan Blue Vegeta, Super Saiyan Blue Goku, and maybe even Super Saiyan Blue Evolved Vegeta with only Ultra Instinct Goku being his superior in power. This means nobody short of Jiren would have a chance of stopping him. Even Top's Energy of Destruction could be bypassed since Super 17 would likely be his superior in power.

      Keeping in mind, he still has all the other advantages that the normal 17 had that made him so hard to fight in the ToP such as limitless energy, a barrier that can stop virtually any attack, and the fact that he can't be sensed by looking for Ki.

      His only weakness is that he's wide open to physical attacks while he absorbs energy. But the only two who could likely take advantage of this are Hit and Jiren.

      Hit might be able to catch him and use Time Skip to strike while he's wide open, but in a direct fight, Hit will lose if his Time Skip proves useless against Super 17. As for Jiren, he has enough raw power and might to still pose a threat, but Super 17 can simply wear him down, using the same tactics that the normal 17 tried, only his efforts would be more successful.

      If Super 17 was in the ToP, the landscape would have changed, and it would have been even more of a curbstomp in Universe 7's favor.
      Last edited by Caryslan; 28-12-2019, 10:19 PM.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Caryslan View Post
        Honestly, Super 17 would be even more dangerous then 17 was in the ToP, and might have an advantage in certain fights that 17 had to pretty much run from. For one thing, he would have been able to simply absorb many of Jiren or Top's Ki Blast attacks which in turn would have made them waste energy. The question is, can Super 17 absorb Top's Destruction Energy? If he can, then there is really no way to harm him with Energy Attacks.

        But here's the scary thing. If he's a fusion of Hell Fighter 17 and the Super version of 17, then Super Android 17 would be even more powerful then he was in GT. This means he could easily surpass Golden Frieza, Super Saiyan Blue Vegeta, Super Saiyan Blue Goku, and maybe even Super Saiyan Blue Evolved Vegeta with only Ultra Instinct Goku being his superior in power. This means nobody short of Jiren would have a chance of stopping him. Even Top's Energy of Destruction could be bypassed since Super 17 would likely be his superior in power.

        Keeping in mind, he still has all the other advantages that the normal 17 had that made him so hard to fight in the ToP such as limitless energy, a barrier that can stop virtually any attack, and the fact that he can't be sensed by looking for Ki.

        His only weakness is that he's wide open to physical attacks while he absorbs energy. But the only two who could likely take advantage of this are Hit and Jiren.

        Hit might be able to catch him and use Time Skip to strike while he's wide open, but in a direct fight, Hit will lose if his Time Skip proves useless against Super 17. As for Jiren, he has enough raw power and might to still pose a threat, but Super 17 can simply wear him down, using the same tactics that the normal 17 tried, only his efforts would be more successful.

        If Super 17 was in the ToP, the landscape would have changed, and it would have been even more of a curbstomp in Universe 7's favor.
        Super 17 does have that super senses thing going for him that allowed him to counter Instant Transmission. It's possible it could help him out against Hit too since it's similar to what Dyspo did(he wouldn't be as fast but he'd still have the advance warning).

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        • #5
          17 was already a problem in the ToP. Judging by how Goku even said he’s thankful he’s a good guy now after their sparring match on 17’s nature preserve, it goes to show how strong he is. Goku even went SSB and 17 was almost even with him. Goku also said they should stop before the island gets damaged.

          so ye Super 17 > Super 17

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          • #6
            Originally posted by lazerbem View Post

            Super 17 does have that super senses thing going for him that allowed him to counter Instant Transmission. It's possible it could help him out against Hit too since it's similar to what Dyspo did(he wouldn't be as fast but he'd still have the advance warning).
            I didn't even consider that, yeah that's super effective in something like this.

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