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  • Super Saiyan 4 Gogetto VS Super

    The Gogetto in question is made out of Buu Saga Vegetto and Shadow Dragon Saga Gogeta. They are fused together via the Potara earrings, and their fusion will last a flat 15 minutes, as that's roughly how long Gogeta lasted in Super Saiyan 4 against Omega Shenron.

    How far into Super would Super Saiyan 4 Gogetto make it?

    Round 1) Battle of Gods
    Round 2) Resurrection of F
    Round 3) U6 Tournament (VS Hit, basically)
    Round 4) Goku Black Arc
    Round 5) Tournament of Power

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  • #2
    Those are some big boy multipliers. I'd say he clears, unless your multipliers get insane there's no way that this fusion isn't beyond most characters. Intuitively speaking, I don't believe that you can look at someone like Kefla and say "oh yeah, their components are stronger than Gogeta and Vegito". And Kefla is pretty high tier as is.

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    • #3
      SSJ4 Gogetto would clear Super. SSJ4 Gogeta himself is probably RoF or U6 tier, so adding the boost from fusion (at least a hundred times IMO) plus the boost from Super Saiyan 4 again would be monstrous. Last time I did halfway decent calc for Super Saiyan 4, I ended up with a boost of about 34,000x.

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      • #4
        Eh, I'd say at best he makes it to Hit. Even if he clears Hit, Goku Black or Merged Zamasu slaps him. SSJ Vegito from the Buu saga is pretty much nothing compared to SSJ4 Gogeta, it's like adding a bucket of water to the ocean. Gogeta, who in turn, I fail to see how he could even beat BoG arc Godku. But like I said, I'm going to be extremely grateful and say he makes it to Hit.

        SSJB Goku and SSJB Vegeta who are eons above SSJ4 Gogeta and Buu Saga Vegito when they merge into SSJB Vegito would still not clear Super, anime wise.

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        • #5
          This essentially boils down to whether you think characters in GT or characters in Super are stronger. There's no real way of calculating which is true so you're gonna get a lot of different answers. Personally I think the characters in Super had a more steep ascension in terms of power, so imo SSJ4 Gogetto stops at maybe SSJ Blue Goku and Vegeta the first time we see them (RoF)

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Emmeth View Post
            This essentially boils down to whether you think characters in GT or characters in Super are stronger. There's no real way of calculating which is true so you're gonna get a lot of different answers. Personally I think the characters in Super had a more steep ascension in terms of power, so imo SSJ4 Gogetto stops at maybe SSJ Blue Goku and Vegeta the first time we see them (RoF)
            Yeah, same. You could make both cases for GT being the stronger one or Super but tbh, I think Super is on a completely whole different level. If you highball everything, SSJ4 Gogeta ends up being around SSJG BoG Goku's level which is pretty piss poor in Super. If Vegito was around Gogeta's level then yeah, I could see Gogetto going far but SSJ4 Gogeta is so far above Buu Saga Vegito, it's not even funny. You have a less extreme case of Goku fusing with Hercule when it comes to these two, which is why I'm inclined Gogetto wouldn't be that much stronger than Gogeta.

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            • #7
              I think Gogetto barely makes it past Hit, but gets destroyed by Goku Black, and killed by Merged Zamasu.

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              • #8
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                • #9
                  I think Super is just so far above GT that SSJ4 Gogetto can only hope to get past round 1 at best.

                  Can Gogetta clear the Goku Black saga?

                  I think no because fusion is some form of the addition of the two fusees right?

                  SSJ Blue Vegito is the fusion of SSJ Blue Vegeta & SSJ Blue Goku.

                  SSJB Vegeta >>>>>>>>> Pre Black saga base Vegeta >>>> SSJ3 Gotenks (and IMO >> buu saga Vegito)
                  SSJB Goku >>>>> Initial SSJ God Goku who most people believe >> GT (Including SSJ4 Gogeta IMO).

                  So both of Vegito's fusees in my opinion are far greater than Gogetto's fusees, making Vegito far, far, far more powerful. Since he could not defeat Zamasu, there is zero chance this Gogetto will.

                  I extremely doubt he defeats Hit either. Even if Gogetto was a little more powerful he has 0 knowledge of Hit's timeskip and I imagine it would end like how Hit defeated Vegeta.

                  Maybe he could defeat heavily suppressed Beerus. It's just speculation really.

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                  • #10
                    Fusion is said to be tens of times more powerful than the fusees in the Tournament of Power, and Gogeta said in DBS:B that he's much more than just Goku and Vegeta combined. So fusion has to be multiplicative in some way and not additive.

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                    • #11
                      The SEG alone debunks it being an addition, especially when you completely lay out how the Boo Arc went. Because Vegetto's Base completely outclasses Goku's max level, hell Post R.O.S.A.T. Base Gotenks is implied to be around or a little higher then Goku's max level too, so there's really no way either Fusion is an addition.

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                      • #12
                        Hey guys yeah I agree fusion is some sort of multiplier not addition, I got my words mixed up. But I still believe that Black Saga SSJ Blue Vegito should be >>>>>>> this Gogetto since (in my opinion at least) SSJ Blue Vegeta & Goku should be >>> SSJ4 Gogeta and even further above SSJ Vegito. So I don't think Gogetta could clear the Black saga since Zamasu would wreck him at least.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Pyrus View Post
                          SSJ4 Gogetto would clear Super. SSJ4 Gogeta himself is probably RoF or U6 tier, so adding the boost from fusion (at least a hundred times IMO) plus the boost from Super Saiyan 4 again would be monstrous. Last time I did halfway decent calc for Super Saiyan 4, I ended up with a boost of about 34,000x.
                          how would he beat zeno?

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by son goku View Post

                            how would he beat zeno?
                            I wasn't factoring in Zeno since he's not even really a fighter.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Pyrus View Post

                              I wasn't factoring in Zeno since he's not even really a fighter.
                              Then how is he beating astral zamasu who became the embodiment of the universe

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