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| SSJ4 Gohan (Boo-Arc) vs Super Boo; who wins? | |
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| + Pyrus | Aug 22 2016, 03:30 PM Post #16 |
 
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A person's limit is what their body can naturally handle at that time. Super Saiyan 4 brings all of that power out. Elder Kaioshin goes far beyond that and breaks the limit. This is all too familiar, so if anyone wants a glimpse into the future, here you go: http://www.neoseeker.com/forums/88/t2200842-hell-fighter-17-pre-fusion-vs-super-vegito/3.htm |
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Aug 22 2016, 04:54 PM Post #17 |
 
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^Okay. But DBS shows differently. ssj2 Enraged Vegeta>ssj3 Goku>ssj2 Vegeta. Vegeta tapped into power he probs. didn't even know he had due to being angered(trigger). There is no ssj transformation after ssj4 which implies that's how strong Goku is @ the time. use. He's now surpassing his own limit after Baby Saga obv. Old Kai never mentioned his power up to Goku as a way of getting stronger in GT. Goku said that never knew Gohan had this much power in him which implies that Gohan had the power inside of him all of this time, he just couldn't use it. lol lol Those posts from Neoseeker still hold true to this very day lol. Edited by Squall Strife, Aug 22 2016, 05:02 PM.
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| StrenuousSpider | Aug 23 2016, 12:22 AM Post #18 |
 
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I never really thought of it as beyond his limits permanent if it was he would die due to his body not being able to hold that power. Kaioken dose a similar thing multiplies his power but his body cant hold on to it because it will kill him. now I do believe that because he has ssj which is a x50 power boost that he can do kaioken x50 and be able to live threw it and even go up to ssj3 multiplier but anything bigger it will kill him. look at him when he went ssjb x10 his body could not handle it ssj to ssj3 is a 8x difference. toriyama said that goku dosnt use ssj2 or 3 anymore that he uses there power in his ssj form.which explains why he did not use ssj3 against black or zamasu. so this explains why he dosnt use ssb2 or 3 because he would not get any stronger. i think it puts all the power he could achieve and put it in base but gives him a temporary boost so he dosnt die in the long run. so I think of it as ssj4 with a temporary 50% boost in power nothing that will kill him fast but would shorten his life. so i think ssj4 could do it but i see it going like ssj3 goku vs kid buu pretty difficult. other words i have ssj4 z sword gohan = ssj3 gotenks buutenks > U gohan > ssj4 gohan = ssj3 gotenks = super buu Edited by StrenuousSpider, Aug 23 2016, 12:24 AM.
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| + Yusuke | Aug 23 2016, 05:04 AM Post #19 |
 
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I don't see why people think Gohan would win this fight. I don't see Gohan being anything other than 1.3-1.7X stronger than Buu with his potential unlock evident by the fact that he was helpless against Gotenks Buu which is almost Super Buu's power doubled. Unless Old Kai's potential unlock was just an extremely minuscule increase on top of Gohan reaching his potential Buu should have zero problem beating Gohan here. I'm even tempted to say that this Gohan might be around SSJ Gotenks level. |
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Aug 23 2016, 05:31 AM Post #20 |
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^ This chart helps describe what Old Kai Potential Unlock did for Gohan. Gohan always had the potential inside of him. Goku backs up this statement by saying he didn't know Gohan had this much strength inside of him. So in a way, he did bring him past his limits, as he can now use the power he didn't think he had to begin with. ssj4 is like that. The GT Perfect Files states that ssj4 brings the user to it's utmost limit. Utmost meaning greatest. There is no ssj transformation after ssj4 because that's as far as ssj goes in GT. ssj transformations are a fraction of a users potential, it's just that ssj4 is the users entire potential just like Old Kai Potential Unlock. Old Kai never suggested to Goku about his potential unlock being superior or inferior to ssj4. which mean they both are roughly on par with each other at least. I'm pretty sure there was some times in GT when that would have been helpful if Old Kai Potential Unlock>ssj4. But there was no instance. lol Edited by Squall Strife, Aug 23 2016, 05:32 AM.
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| + Yusuke | Aug 23 2016, 05:41 AM Post #21 |
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The thing is though one brings the user to their uttermost limits like you said while the other does exactly that and than some. SSJ4 would take Gohan to his greatest potential but not the extra power he gained with the Old Kai Potential Unlock. Without the extra boost Gohan ain't beating Buu |
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Aug 23 2016, 05:52 AM Post #22 |
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Okay. But where in the manga does it say Old Kai is adding more power to Gohan rather than just unlocking all of his potential, and also the hidden ki reserve when under intense emotion such as anger (trigger)? Because the some, to me, is similar to the Vegeta vs. Beerus in which Enraged ssj2 Vegeta>ssj3 Goku. He never had that power before he got angered (trigger) and he drew into a ki reserve that wasn't available to him till he was angered. lol Edited by Squall Strife, Aug 23 2016, 05:53 AM.
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| Sincrow | Aug 23 2016, 06:30 AM Post #23 |
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I get what you are saying. There is a limit that they cant reach with pure training and thats there potential.but tgeres still more power there but only able to get it threw emotion. And the only thing kai did was bring him to his potential and allowed him to access that power threw base. That would explain why when he got mad he went threw huge leaps in power and same for vegeta. They all have this power but cant acess it threw training so its not considered potential power because they cant get it with traditional methods. With out the ritural its only a temporary boost. I kind of like it better this way.simular to buu. Fat buu is equal to super buu when experiencing the rage boost he taps into that power. Because honestly. full potential gohan >>>> full potential rage boost gohan Edited by Sincrow, Aug 23 2016, 06:32 AM.
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Aug 23 2016, 07:15 AM Post #24 |
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Idk. I never thought rage boost was on top of a fighter's potential, I just though that the fighter drew power from a ki reserve that they had inside of them, which is their overall potsntial. A quote from Beerus. "Between him and Vegeta,they really might become my arch-rivals before too long, huh" Why would Beerus say that about Goku & Vegeta if it was just a rage boost for Vegeta. Could he be talking about his potential in this instance? I get what you are saying, that ssj2 is Gohan's restricted potential and that Old Kai brought out his whole potential in base. That's what I think. I don't think that there is a rage boost, just more of a trigger to get some of his potential he never thought he had. I also believe that Future Gohan(Old Kai Potential Unlock)= Ultimate Gohan even though Future Gohan is weaker than Gohan from Z, as an example. lol Edited by Squall Strife, Aug 23 2016, 07:19 AM.
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| + Pyrus | Aug 23 2016, 07:06 PM Post #25 |
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I can kind of see that, but it's not really what the series has implied or stated when it comes to dormant power. There have been a handful of examples prior to this situation to gleam information from, and the guidebooks are all in agreement with it. |
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Aug 23 2016, 08:44 PM Post #26 |
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^ I'm pretty sure that dormant power is just plot based as AT didn't have the whole story of DB series thought out before it was actually created. So it works fine as the story progressed. I just think Ultimate Gohan is his "prime" so to speak and he can't get any stronger than that unless he trains with Beerus & Whis to reach a new ki level.Super confirms this as he says he is going to train, trains with Piccolo, but stops. This implies, for now, that Gohan couldn't surpass his Ultimate self and stopped training. He was pretty adament about training after the events of RoF. lol Edited by Squall Strife, Aug 23 2016, 08:45 PM.
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