SSJ4 Gohan (Boo-Arc) vs Super Boo

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SSJ4 Gohan (Boo-Arc) vs Super Boo; who wins?
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OmegaSaiyan2	Aug 20 2016, 10:27 PM Post #1
ż? Posts: 3,381 Group: Member Member #10,465 Joined: November 9, 2013 Gender Male Country Chile Favourite Anime Dragon Ball/Z and Sailor Moon. What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball/Z.	considering that SSJ4 is a potential unlock and Ultimate form is potential beyond limits, just like Surpassed Limits SSJ4. so would just SSJ4 Gohan make the fight fairer? or Surpassed Limits? Edited by OmegaSaiyan2, Aug 20 2016, 10:39 PM.
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+ ThePrinceOfSaiyans	Aug 20 2016, 10:32 PM Post #2
魔王子 Posts: 9,797 Group: Elite Member Member #10,492 Joined: November 16, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	Super Saiyan 4 Gohan should still take this.
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Slifer	Aug 20 2016, 10:32 PM Post #3
Posts: 3,488 Group: Member Member #10,141 Joined: September 7, 2013	Boo one-shots. SSJ4 is just potential unlock while Old Kai's ritual took Gohan's power "way beyond" that potential. Ultimate Gohan isn't "way beyond" Super Boo.



+ Pyrus	Aug 20 2016, 11:07 PM Post #4
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Gohan wasn't in a completely different league from Boo in my opinion, so without that extra boost the ritual gave him, he'd be beaten down as a Super Saiyan 4. Maybe not terribly, but he'd still lose.
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+ Son-Goku	Aug 20 2016, 11:17 PM Post #5
孫悟空 Posts: 13,359 Group: Elite Member Member #12,886 Joined: January 24, 2016 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime DB/DBZ/DBS, Code Geass, Gintama, YYH, Death Note, and SAO. What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Fairy Tail, and Naruto.	I think he would defeat Buu as a Super Saiyan 4. Gohan still should have ended up being higher than Buu without the extra boost imo.
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FutureSaiyan	Aug 22 2016, 04:02 AM Post #6
Posts: 924 Group: Member Member #11,997 Joined: January 18, 2015 Gender Male Country Australia Favourite Anime Dragonball Z, Naruto, Bleach, AoT, Death Note, FMAB Favourite Manga DBZ	Mr. Hashbrowns Aug 20 2016, 10:32 PM Boo one-shots. SSJ4 is just potential unlock while Old Kai's ritual took Gohan's power "way beyond" that potential. Ultimate Gohan isn't "way beyond" Super Boo. Buu not being able to land a hit on Gohan who was taking the piss out of the fight would suggest otherwise



+ Saiyan Paladin	Aug 22 2016, 04:09 AM Post #7
Posts: 1,920 Group: Elite Member Member #10,232 Joined: September 21, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Kai, Yu Yu Hakusho What Browser do you use? Firefox, Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Berserk	FutureSaiyan Aug 22 2016, 04:02 AM Mr. Hashbrowns Aug 20 2016, 10:32 PM Boo one-shots. SSJ4 is just potential unlock while Old Kai's ritual took Gohan's power "way beyond" that potential. Ultimate Gohan isn't "way beyond" Super Boo. Buu not being able to land a hit on Gohan who was taking the piss out of the fight would suggest otherwise You don't have to be "way beyond" someone to dodge their attacks like that, think of Vegeta vs. normal Zarbon in their first fight. And I guess I'd have Super Boo winning this one, but it should be close.



~~Squall Strife~~	Aug 22 2016, 04:37 AM Post #8
Posts: 1,188 Group: Suspended Member #13,373 Joined: July 12, 2016 Gender Male	Isn't ssj4 transformation like Old Kai unlock as they are essentially bringing the user to their limit meaning their potential? If so, Gohan will win against Super Buu tbh. lol
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+ Pyrus	Aug 22 2016, 05:25 AM Post #9
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Squall Strife Aug 22 2016, 04:37 AM Isn't ssj4 transformation like Old Kai unlock as they are essentially bringing the user to their limit meaning their potential? If so, Gohan will win against Super Buu tbh. lol Elder Kaioshin brings a person way past their limits. Super Saiyan 4 doesn't.
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~~Squall Strife~~	Aug 22 2016, 06:07 AM Post #10
Posts: 1,188 Group: Suspended Member #13,373 Joined: July 12, 2016 Gender Male	Pyrus Aug 22 2016, 05:25 AM Squall Strife Aug 22 2016, 04:37 AM Isn't ssj4 transformation like Old Kai unlock as they are essentially bringing the user to their limit meaning their potential? If so, Gohan will win against Super Buu tbh. lol Elder Kaioshin brings a person way past their limits. Super Saiyan 4 doesn't. The GT Perfect Files state that it brings a user to their utmost limit for ssj4 meaning to their potential as utmost means greatest. Old Kai does the same for Gohan. The ssj transformations are a fraction of saiyan fighters overall potential. Old Kai just brings out all of the power, meaning past their limit, that the user has and now that fighter can use it in Base entirely. lol
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Slifer	Aug 22 2016, 07:08 AM Post #11
Posts: 3,488 Group: Member Member #10,141 Joined: September 7, 2013	Quote: Buu not being able to land a hit on Gohan who was taking the piss out of the fight would suggest otherwise I have around a 1.3x gap between Ultimate Gohan and Super Boo. In the grand scheme of things, that's not much at all. Quote: The GT Perfect Files state that it brings a user to their utmost limit for ssj4 meaning to their potential as utmost means greatest. Old Kai does the same for Gohan. The ssj transformations are a fraction of saiyan fighters overall potential. Old Kai just brings out all of the power, meaning past their limit, that the user has and now that fighter can use it in Base entirely. lol SSJ4 is a potential unlock. Old Kai's ritual takes someone's power "way beyond" that potential, therefore Ultimate Gohan would be "way beyond" SSJ4 Gohan.



Thiln	Aug 22 2016, 07:32 AM Post #12
Posts: 2,481 Group: Member Member #12,166 Joined: March 23, 2015 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragon Ball, Attack on Titan What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Hokuto no Ken, Berserk, Dragon Ball, Rurouni Kenshin, Attack on Titan, Kuroshitsuji	I just have SSJ4 as being a 10x increase from SSJ3. This match seems questionable in context because there's two different iterations of Gohan - the one from the early Buu arc and Gohan after having trained with the Z-Sword. Regardless of which one, though, if the multipliers are consistent then Gohan wouldn't win. It took Gotenks ascending to Super Saiyan 3 in order to challenge Super Buu on serious ground. SSJ2 Gohan (post Z-Sword training) is peak SSJ2/borderline SSJ3 tier; add on a 40x multiplier to account for SSJ3 and SSJ4 and that's where Gohan would stand, in my opinion. At that level, fighting SSJ Gotenks (pre-RoSaT) seems iffy, let alone Gotenks after training using regular Super Saiyan or worse, Super Buu.



~~Squall Strife~~	Aug 22 2016, 07:47 AM Post #13
Posts: 1,188 Group: Suspended Member #13,373 Joined: July 12, 2016 Gender Male	Mr. Hashbrowns Aug 22 2016, 07:08 AM Quote: The GT Perfect Files state that it brings a user to their utmost limit for ssj4 meaning to their potential as utmost means greatest. Old Kai does the same for Gohan. The ssj transformations are a fraction of saiyan fighters overall potential. Old Kai just brings out all of the power, meaning past their limit, that the user has and now that fighter can use it in Base entirely. lol SSJ4 is a potential unlock. Old Kai's ritual takes someone's power "way beyond" that potential, therefore Ultimate Gohan would be "way beyond" SSJ4 Gohan. This pic shows what Old Kai basically did. He brought out power that Gohan didn't even know he had. Even Goku confirmed it by saying he didn't know Gohan had this much power. If ssj4 was just an potential unlock, why did Goku keep using it till the end of GT. Why did Bulma tell Vegeta he could possiby reach ssj5, but he never did. Simple. It's because there isn't anymore transformations after ssj4. The GT Perfect Files state that ssj4 brings the user to their utmost limit. Utmost meaning greatest. lol
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Slifer	Aug 22 2016, 07:52 AM Post #14
Posts: 3,488 Group: Member Member #10,141 Joined: September 7, 2013	Goku kept using SSJ4 because there was nothing left to use. Goku wouldn't resort to a free power up like Old Kai's ritual if he didn't have to, and every time he had to, the threat was too immediate for it to be of use. SSJ5 was a dub line if I recall, so yeah... Way beyond utmost limit > utmost limit. I don't see what's so complicated. Edited by Slifer, Aug 22 2016, 07:53 AM.



~~Squall Strife~~	Aug 22 2016, 08:27 AM Post #15
Posts: 1,188 Group: Suspended Member #13,373 Joined: July 12, 2016 Gender Male	Mr. Hashbrowns Aug 22 2016, 07:52 AM Goku kept using SSJ4 because there was nothing left to use. Goku wouldn't resort to a free power up like Old Kai's ritual if he didn't have to, and every time he had to, the threat was too immediate for it to be of use. SSJ5 was a dub line if I recall, so yeah... Way beyond utmost limit > utmost limit. I don't see what's so complicated. Right. You said it yourself. "Nothing left to use." That's a what-if and Old Kai even knew about ssj4 and didn't even claim that his power up was superior to ssj4, not even once. S. e. It's a dub line that didn't even hold up because it never happened. That's the point. Old Kai brought out the power that Gohan had all along. The pic shows that, when angered or displaying intense emotion, he taps into power he hasin him , but doesn't know he has, Like ssj2 Enraged Vegeta to Beerus. lol
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