How does Gohan's post Kaioshin form work exactly?

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How does Gohan's post Kaioshin form work exactly?
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Zoom	Aug 19 2016, 10:20 AM Post #1
Posts: 3,426 Group: Member Member #12,146 Joined: March 16, 2015 Gender Male	The wording makes it plain and simple, right? Kaioshin instructs Gohan to turn into that super whatever [super saiyan] and fire it up just like that. The second panel makes it clear that why Kaioshin thinks transforming isn't everything. My question is, when Gohan transform does he decide on which form to use like Goku going from base to Ssj or SsjB? Does anyone understand how Gohan's power up work exactly?



Thiln	Aug 19 2016, 03:23 PM Post #2
Posts: 2,481 Group: Member Member #12,166 Joined: March 23, 2015 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragon Ball, Attack on Titan What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Hokuto no Ken, Berserk, Dragon Ball, Rurouni Kenshin, Attack on Titan, Kuroshitsuji	I think the mechanics involve Gohan's power as a Super Saiyan being transferred over to his Base State. It effectively renders the need for any physical transformation useless.



+ Emmeth	Aug 19 2016, 03:28 PM Post #3
I ♥ Yoeri Posts: 20,075 Group: Legend Member #8,985 Joined: February 7, 2013 Country Japan	Thiln Aug 19 2016, 03:23 PM I think the mechanics involve Gohan's power as a Super Saiyan being transferred over to his Base State. It effectively renders the need for any physical transformation useless. Pretty much this considering Gohan didn't transform when he fought against Gotenks-Boo. You'd think a transformation would give Gohan the advantage if he got power from transforming.
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+ Solid Snake	Aug 19 2016, 05:01 PM Post #4
滅Are you frightened? Posts: 8,961 Group: Elite Member Member #6,739 Joined: September 11, 2011 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime Dragon ball, z, gt, Naruto & Shippuden, Bleach, Rosario + Vampire What Browser do you use? Kept you waiting huh? Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Naruto, and Bleach	Gohan turn Super Saiyan but unleased all of his power and then some, into his base. It's indeed similar to Blue.
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+ Kaboom	Aug 19 2016, 07:31 PM Post #5
Posts: 1,927 Group: Elite Member Member #9,984 Joined: August 24, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon Ball What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga One Punch Man	Original manga's depiction: Gohan's "ultimate" form is a permanent change, where all his prior Super Saiyan power and more has been rearranged and placed into a single, incredibly powerful new base form. Most Toei Stuff: Gohan's "ultimate" form is a new transformation somewhat stronger than his Super Saiyan form.



+ Pyrus	Aug 19 2016, 08:36 PM Post #6
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Kaboom Aug 19 2016, 07:31 PM Original manga's depiction: Gohan's "ultimate" form is a permanent change, where all his prior Super Saiyan power and more has been rearranged and placed into a single, incredibly powerful new base form. Most Toei Stuff: Gohan's "ultimate" form is a new transformation somewhat stronger than his Super Saiyan form. This.^ Manga-wise, Gohan had all of his power permanently relegated to his regular state, rendering his further transformations completely useless (although personally, I believe he could still use them, they just wouldn't garner any additional power at the time). It's a pretty simple concept, yet Toei took the "turn into that Super whatever" and ignored everything else about the scene, thus they turned it into a transformation in their work...except possibly in GT ironically.
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* Ketchup Revenge	Aug 22 2016, 01:53 PM Post #7
"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the war room!" Posts: 6,083 Group: Retired Forum Moderator Member #9,012 Joined: February 9, 2013 Gender Not Specified Country Chile Favourite Anime FMA: Brotherhood, Dragon Ball, Samurai Champloo, Soul Eater, Assassination Classroom What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Fullmetal Alchemist, Assassination Classroom, Deadman Wonderland	Transformations are modifications to the body that allow someone to use deeper and deeper parts of their reserve, parts that they aren't able to use effectively in their base form. But these transformations have flaws because they eat up ki just to sustain; and they have side effects like heightened aggression; which can cloud judgement. Both Goku and Vegeta confirm this change in behavior by Vegeta stating that Super Saiyan makes him feel ecstatic, and with Goku, he described it as "restlessness". We also see the results of strain when Goku tries using Super Saiyan while he had his heart illness. The transformations stretch the body beyond what it's normally capable of, and make the user feel abnormal and causing physical problems that seem to be heightened when someone isn't 100%. Gohan's Ultimate form is essentially a modification to his base that allows him to have full access to all these reserves that he could only previously achieve through transformation, but due to Ultimate technically being his base, he doesn't need to deal with the flaws of transformation in order to use that reserve. Basically, it's a modification to his natural state in which all of his power is at his fingertips. Edited by Ketchup Revenge, Aug 22 2016, 01:55 PM.
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superperfectnerd	Aug 23 2016, 05:05 PM Post #8
Posts: 3,709 Group: Member Member #11,519 Joined: July 15, 2014	What confuses me is that is his ultimate form all of his potential ssj2 power in his base making it easier to access and less strained, then wouldn't he be stronger if he'd learned ssj3 first and had all of his potential ssj3 power accessible in base? And doesn't than then stunt his growth cutting off the ability for further transformation in the future now that it's all in his base and he can't transform? I mean he tried to go ssj but it didn't happen.



~~Squall Strife~~	Aug 23 2016, 06:27 PM Post #9
Posts: 1,188 Group: Suspended Member #13,373 Joined: July 12, 2016 Gender Male	The ssj transformations are a % of a fighter's potential. Ultimate Gohan has all of his potential in base. I think Gohan was expecting a stronger super saiyan power up, but was suprised that he can use his potential in "base". I do think he can use ssj transformations still, but it would actually decrease his power if used along with the flaws the ssj transformations have, except ssj as he has already mastered that transormation. lol I think the misunderstanding is that people see the Ultimate Transformation as base and he could increase that with ssj. Not so, as there was clearly a transformation in his power plus the fact that he didn't use ssj against Buutenks if he could get stronger with that method. lol Edited by Squall Strife, Aug 23 2016, 06:37 PM.
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superperfectnerd	Aug 23 2016, 06:53 PM Post #10
Posts: 3,709 Group: Member Member #11,519 Joined: July 15, 2014	If the transformations are just releasing hidden potential of the saiyans, then why are the multipliers the same?



DrewHak	Aug 28 2016, 12:58 AM Post #11
The Jew Posts: 166 Group: Admiral Member #9,701 Joined: July 3, 2013 Gender Not Specified Country Chile Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Naruto	superperfectnerd Aug 23 2016, 06:53 PM If the transformations are just releasing hidden potential of the saiyans, then why are the multipliers the same? Where did you get the idea that the multipliers for each transformation are the same? From what I know, SSJ is 50x base, while SSJ2 is 2x SSJ, or just 100x base. SSJ3 would be 4x SSJ2, or simply 400x base. Those are completely different multipliers. Think about hidden potential as some sort of pool of energy, each transformation that you haven't reached is a gate, when you transform, you're pulling up one of the gates, so reaching SSJ, you're pulling up the first gate, granting you how that much of your potential to use that was being blocked. SSJ2, holding up that next gate and the ones before, granting you the potential that was being blocked, this continues on with SSJ3 and in GT SSJ4, where by that point you've gained access to all of your potential. There is strain to holding up those gates, which is the strain the forms cause. Old Kai's ritual, simply removes the gates (Not sure if it's permanently removed because Gohan does go Super Saiyan in GT, but yeah.), allowing you access to every bit of your potential without any of the strain that comes with the transformation. It basically just gives you the power that all the SSJ forms give you, but with no actual need to transform. Note: This is all kinda just me inferring stuff, so I may be completely wrong, but that's how I believe it works. Edited by DrewHak, Aug 28 2016, 12:58 AM.
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+ Pyrus	Aug 28 2016, 02:16 AM Post #12
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	SSJBardock500000 Aug 28 2016, 12:58 AM superperfectnerd Aug 23 2016, 06:53 PM If the transformations are just releasing hidden potential of the saiyans, then why are the multipliers the same? Where did you get the idea that the multipliers for each transformation are the same? From what I know, SSJ is 50x base, while SSJ2 is 2x SSJ, or just 100x base. SSJ3 would be 4x SSJ2, or simply 400x base. Those are completely different multipliers. Think about hidden potential as some sort of pool of energy, each transformation that you haven't reached is a gate, when you transform, you're pulling up one of the gates, so reaching SSJ, you're pulling up the first gate, granting you how that much of your potential to use that was being blocked. SSJ2, holding up that next gate and the ones before, granting you the potential that was being blocked, this continues on with SSJ3 and in GT SSJ4, where by that point you've gained access to all of your potential. There is strain to holding up those gates, which is the strain the forms cause. Old Kai's ritual, simply removes the gates (Not sure if it's permanently removed because Gohan does go Super Saiyan in GT, but yeah.), allowing you access to every bit of your potential without any of the strain that comes with the transformation. It basically just gives you the power that all the SSJ forms give you, but with no actual need to transform. Note: This is all kinda just me inferring stuff, so I may be completely wrong, but that's how I believe it works. He was most likely alluding to the multipliers being the same for everyone, each time they transform. So if Vegeta got 50x stronger with Super Saiyan and 2x stronger on top of that with Super Saiyan 2, Goku would also get the same effect and so on.
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