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Death Penalty
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Wagwan	Aug 18 2016, 08:47 PM Post #31
Posts: 190 Group: Member Member #12,260 Joined: April 22, 2015	The quote from that "not all drug users are bad people" is really a platitude and I'd go into detail if someone made a separate thread for it



~~Doggo Champion 2k17~~	Aug 18 2016, 08:51 PM Post #32
Posts: 7,931 Group: GTFO Member #6,380 Joined: June 20, 2011 Country United States Favourite Anime here comes What Browser do you use? o shit waddup! Favourite Manga dat boi	Wagwan Aug 18 2016, 08:47 PM The quote from that "not all drug users are bad people" is really a platitude and I'd go into detail if someone made a separate thread for it My interest is piqued by the obscurity of that statement.



Wagwan	Aug 18 2016, 09:18 PM Post #33
Posts: 190 Group: Member Member #12,260 Joined: April 22, 2015	ikr it's a garbage argument, nothing but a truism I don't know how much it costs to kill people there though compared to here so I can't really speak from that side of the subject but you really shouldn't kill nebody



~~Helvius Pertinax Augustus~~	Aug 19 2016, 02:37 AM Post #34
What will you do when you get old? Posts: 1,096 Group: Suspended Member #12,915 Joined: February 8, 2016 Gender Not Specified Country United States Favourite Anime Don't actually watch anime What Browser do you use? Internet Explorer Favourite Manga Don't read manga	Wagwan Aug 18 2016, 07:27 PM with 3 secs of googling I found this which supports my initial stance against it bc I think we all ought to forgive and forget but also learn from mistakes, and since the next best thing would be life in prison w/o parole you can see why this would be favorable on top of the money issue the opportunity cost would add up quick, and a nation's gotta be responsible with its money as much as possible so as to set an example for its population. so think about that next time your gov. says they don't have the money for a big deal thing like medicine, tech, urban development and so on -- think that deficit is worth it for personal revenge? Glock 17 cost $500, a single 9mm cartridge cost ~0.20/rd. You don't have to throw the Glock 19 out after each execution. Why do they spend so much money on executing prisoners?



breaker335	Aug 19 2016, 02:43 AM Post #35
Posts: 879 Group: Member Member #13,278 Joined: June 5, 2016 Gender Male Country United States	Pretty sure they don't use guns to execute anymore. Just lethal injecting.



~~Helvius Pertinax Augustus~~	Aug 19 2016, 02:47 AM Post #36
What will you do when you get old? Posts: 1,096 Group: Suspended Member #12,915 Joined: February 8, 2016 Gender Not Specified Country United States Favourite Anime Don't actually watch anime What Browser do you use? Internet Explorer Favourite Manga Don't read manga	It'd save quite a bit of money. Obviously you'd have to make sure the person you're executing is genuinely guilty of whatever crime he's being executed for, but it's neither cruel nor is it slow. If you're worried about the guy surviving a dome shot, there's always .45 ACP.



+ Pelador	Aug 19 2016, 02:57 AM Post #37
Crazy Awesome Legend Posts: 25,663 Group: Legend Member #4,634 Joined: December 12, 2009 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime HunterxHunter What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragonball	Can't guarantee a kill straight away with a gun. People's bodies are weird like that.
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~~Helvius Pertinax Augustus~~	Aug 19 2016, 03:01 AM Post #38
What will you do when you get old? Posts: 1,096 Group: Suspended Member #12,915 Joined: February 8, 2016 Gender Not Specified Country United States Favourite Anime Don't actually watch anime What Browser do you use? Internet Explorer Favourite Manga Don't read manga	Put them in front of an 88mm Flak gun



Wagwan	Aug 19 2016, 03:32 AM Post #39
Posts: 190 Group: Member Member #12,260 Joined: April 22, 2015	Pelador Aug 19 2016, 02:57 AM Can't guarantee a kill straight away with a gun I remember when I was never shot in the head before...



+ Ginyu	Aug 19 2016, 07:45 AM Post #40
Leve Feyenoord 1! Posts: 4,490 Group: Elite Member Member #9,685 Joined: June 30, 2013 Gender Female Country Netherlands Favourite Anime NJPW What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Reading is for nerds, yo!	Wagwan Aug 19 2016, 03:32 AM Pelador Aug 19 2016, 02:57 AM Can't guarantee a kill straight away with a gun I remember when I was never shot in the head before... I don't know if this post is supposed to be sarcastic. But people have survived shots to the head. I don't support a death penalty. People are always asking for harsher punishments for crimes, which is why populists often promise those, in reality they've been proven not to work. Recidivism rates are high when punishments for crimes are high as well, recidivism rates are very low when punishments for crimes are focused on rehabilitation. And the most important reason: there is always a possibility that the justice system has failed and the wrong person is found guilty. With prison sentences a person could get their life back, sue, and get 'compensation.' A death penalty however just leaves victims.
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~~Groosebumps~~	Aug 19 2016, 08:17 AM Post #41
Posts: 167 Group: Banned Member #13,041 Joined: April 19, 2016	I'd rather murderers have life sentences in really s*ty prisons. Like, have them s* in the corner or something. That's what they deserve. Death is often too good for them.



Zoom	Aug 19 2016, 08:34 AM Post #42
Posts: 3,426 Group: Member Member #12,146 Joined: March 16, 2015 Gender Male	Can anyone tell me what brought the change to remove death penalty in America and if someone killed an government official or president, is the death penalty back on the table?



+ Steve	Aug 19 2016, 10:16 AM Post #43
Greetings. I will be your waifu this season. Posts: 19,471 Group: Legend Member #5,710 Joined: February 7, 2011 Gender Male Country United Kingdom Favourite Anime Hunter x Hunter(2011) What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Berserk all day erry day	I support it but only when we can definitely be sure the person did the crime. I don't see why we should spend money on criminals and have them add to the gene pool. Could they become a productive member of society? Maybe. But let's face it more money would probably be spent getting them there than their contribution, unless they have special talents. Why do they deserve the chance? They had their chance at life and their choice was to do something heinous for personal gain and they might never be sorry for it. Depends on the situation of course. There are tons of repeat offenders anyway a lot of the time people do something bad just to go back in because they're institutionalized by that point, why waste the time if they done something bad enough to be in for 20+ years chances of rehabilitation aren't fantastically high, if they just want to go back in then they might as well have been put to death 'cause again why waste money on the scum of society. Exceptions include: the mentally ill, people who have been manipulated by others, people who might not have done it, people who may have acted in self defence and taken it a bit too far Etc Each of those requiring further review for specifics. On top of that while a criminal may eventually be rehabilitated their victims may never recover from the trauma of what was done to them, only to find out the sicko that done something to them is out of prison years later. Of course the ex convict might not ever even think of attacking the victim again but they'd be looking over their shoulder for the rest of their lives in fear. I don't see that as a fair exchange.
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* Yu Narukami	Aug 19 2016, 12:09 PM Post #44
Izanagi! Posts: 12,330 Group: Retired Staff Member #6,446 Joined: July 3, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country None	And there's the crux of the issue. Even if it did cost more, are you really willing to put a price on Justice? Morally speaking, that's unacceptable. The cheaper option isn't always the moral one; cost shouldn't even be a factor in the discussion. People want to be put back in Prison because it doesn't prepare them for the outside world. The services inside are woefully inefficient. If we focused on improving those services and providing a comprehensive schedule to inmates that improved their problem-solving skills and addressed the issues that were a factor in the crime, as much as possible, there's no reason they shouldn't be allowed to be released if they're deemed fit to enter society again by professionals. Victims are a good point, but how much of a say should they really have about the treatment of an offender after the case has concluded? As for guns, that's a much more brutal, intense means of executing. Less humane, definitely, and would you really want to put the burden on an executioner?



~~Helvius Pertinax Augustus~~	Aug 19 2016, 05:36 PM Post #45
What will you do when you get old? Posts: 1,096 Group: Suspended Member #12,915 Joined: February 8, 2016 Gender Not Specified Country United States Favourite Anime Don't actually watch anime What Browser do you use? Internet Explorer Favourite Manga Don't read manga	It'd make for gathering good ballistic data on humans and It'd be more humane than locking them in a putrid, stinking cave to writhe in their own feces and throwing away the key like Slick Ric said. In the case of someone surviving a single shot to the head, just shoot them again.



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