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| + Sandy Shore | Aug 18 2016, 04:42 PM Post #16 |
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I'm against it, as executing people amounts to increasing overall suffering. Not to mention running the risk of killing an innocent person. It doesn't make it any less painful for the people who have lost someone to have lost them, but you're just extending more pain to families of the criminals when you in-turn hope to kill their loved one. A cruel act doesn't make someone entirely, nor had they always been, bad. Executing people also takes a toll on executioners who have to live with that on their conscience. I've read that some suffer PTSD-like symptoms from it, so that's more suffering. People look at punishment as revenge, but they shouldn't. Punishment should be there simply for the safety of others. We put them away to keep them away; we make it not a very nice place to make them not want to go there - or perhaps preparing them to go back in to society with their issues resolved. It's not, or shouldn't be about, getting your own back. Taking their life isn't going to change anything, and wanting or reveling in another's death is exactly the sort of thing we hate about the people we're condemning. That's not to say I don't understand people's desire to hurt those that have hurt them and those they care about, but it's not the place of the law to get mixed up in people's emotions, or itself be emotional. |
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Thank you, Son Goten and Goku9000. I really appreciate that. |
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I agree. I don't think we should have allowed Nazi war criminals to be tried and executed in Israel. |
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| Darker | Aug 18 2016, 04:53 PM Post #19 |
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No, it is 100% impossible for me to answer a question like that. How would I be able to hypothesize something like that? |
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| * Mitas | Aug 18 2016, 04:54 PM Post #20 |
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Although the idea of execution being justice is a tempting one (and I can understand people who do feel that way), I don't personally feel like it is justified. Putting aside the fact that people would have to carry out those executions, which isn't a particularly healthy job to have mentally, and also the possibility of an innocent person being executed (you can say '100% proof needed', but there's no circumventing the possibility of wrongful execution), I feel like a life sentence in prison is a much more apt punishment. I'm more of an advocate for 'life means life', since if you commit such a horrendously uncivilised act e.g. murder, child molestation, then you forfeit your place in civilisation. |
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| EMIYA | Aug 18 2016, 04:59 PM Post #21 |
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I don't support it? Why? Because its something that frankly doesn't work. Crime in places where the Death Penalty is legalized hasn't been directly shown to deter crime or the fact that many instances of innocent lives being executed. It's basically nothing more than catharsis for the executioners really. If you get the Death Penalty to actually be of use or at the very least, cut loss of innocent lives to zero percent where we know perfectly the person being executed is a criminal under malicious pretense. Because as many know there are certain layers of murder, such as First Degree, Second Degree, Manslaughter, etc. then its like...fine. I'm not going to play the moral card, if you do something you face the consequences of it. But that's not the way it works. The Death Penalty now a days has so many ethical and logical flaws to it that it doesn't really amount to anything more than getting the hands dirty to satiate what many think is just a desire for revenge. |
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Aug 18 2016, 05:35 PM Post #22 |
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Many of the people who support the death penalty don't seem to know how the justice system actually functions. While crimes are usually easy to solve, many of them are nearly impossible, and with the pressure put on lawyers, detectives, and judges to solve cases as quickly and efficiently as possible, many more people are wrongly convicted than we could possibly realize. (Sources: I watch an insane amount of detective shows and films, plus I've done a lot of internet research on this, as it's one of my interests.) Court cases rely on a jury to solve, and the jury is based very much upon personal opinion. Given that no two people act the same way under pressure, you have people falsely confessing, getting their stories mixed up, "acting" guilty, and all manner of things when they aren't actually guilty. I urge you all to do some research on prisoners who were wrongly convicted, several of which were (thankfully) released while they were on death row when the actual culprit was found. That's the main reason I'm against the death penalty. In the grand scheme of things, it's obvious that the majority of people on death row are actually guilty, but you'd be surprised at the number of people who are wrongly convicted. That's enough to sway me. Not to mention I don't think that immediate death is a great punishment in the first place, but I'm focusing my argument on a single aspect for now. |
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Aug 18 2016, 07:09 PM Post #23 |
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Death penalty should not be completely ruled out. It should be assigned to those criminals(worst of the worst) who fear death. And for the criminals(again,worst of the worst) who don't fear death should be assigned to the "entire life in prison" or the more popular term "Life-in-death". |
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| Wagwan | Aug 18 2016, 07:27 PM Post #24 |
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with 3 secs of googling I found this which supports my initial stance against it bc I think we all ought to forgive and forget but also learn from mistakes, and since the next best thing would be life in prison w/o parole you can see why this would be favorable on top of the money issue the opportunity cost would add up quick, and a nation's gotta be responsible with its money as much as possible so as to set an example for its population. so think about that next time your gov. says they don't have the money for a big deal thing like medicine, tech, urban development and so on -- think that deficit is worth it for personal revenge? |
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| + Pelador | Aug 18 2016, 07:34 PM Post #25 |
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Unless I skimmed past it, no one here has mentioned the financial cost of the death penalty. You're basically giving people a life sentence and then just executing them near the end of it. I mean people stay on death row for years before they even get to have their three appeals, which obviously drag the sentence out for even longer. It's not the assembly line to heck like some people think it is. It's a very lengthy process. And what of those criminals who undergo a change of conscience? I'm almost certain there are a fair number of people who have done horrible crimes but then atoned for their actions and become productive members of society. I'd much rather prisons were used to basically reprogram the thinking of criminals to undo the years of neglect most of them no doubt experience from their families, foster homes and schools. Ah I see you mentioned finance as I made this post. Edited by Pelador, Aug 18 2016, 07:35 PM.
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| Wagwan | Aug 18 2016, 07:45 PM Post #26 |
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Yeah this is basically why I don't support just icing a dude because he iced your homie However a psyche friend of mine was saying a few weeks ago that one of the reasons rehabilitation is so difficult is because there's an arm's race of intelligence between the criminals and those that would be in charge of giving a psychological analysis and authorize whether or not they are in fact restored individuals so in the mean time we should put a pin in that until psychology develops into a more hardened science |
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| + Pelador | Aug 18 2016, 07:53 PM Post #27 |
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Well modern psychology is probably not even 70 years old yet. It's a medical field which still has a very long way to go, especially when it comes to really understanding how nurture and social backgrounds can dictate a person's behaviour. But that doesn't mean we should stop trying.
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| Wagwan | Aug 18 2016, 07:57 PM Post #28 |
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Yeah it has a long way to go in the medical field as well being 70 years old but modern psychology (when it comes to backgrounds) can help dictate a person's behaviour and using the understanding of how society has nurtured them (or lack thereof) can supposedly predict thereafter a person's behavior but it's only 70 years old |
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| Ding | Aug 18 2016, 08:20 PM Post #29 |
 
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What do you guys think about killing druggies? The Economist | Philippine politics: From plan to execution http://www.economist.com/news/asia/21704829-new-president-keeps-his-most-brutal-campaign-promise-plan-execution?frsc=dg%7Cd |
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| Goddess Ultimecia | Aug 18 2016, 08:40 PM Post #30 |
 
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Absolutely pointless and ultimately does not solve the underlying problem with drug use in the Phillipines. If it's not the dead using drugs, it'll be the 13 year old kid that's in school struggling. |
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