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| Opinions on gun control the U.S? | |
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Aug 25 2016, 01:55 AM Post #76 |
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Well, they don't talk to me, and they don't breathe, so one would assume... but I guess you never know. |
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Aug 25 2016, 01:56 AM Post #77 |
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Well, you're wrong on that. Plenty of people need to hunt for food. Not everyone has a Wal-Mart or McDonalds within 200 miles of them to buy food. Not everyone can afford to buy food either. The U.S is a very large country, and in the Mid-west states and Alaska, there's people who live in remote locations that need to hunt, or they'll starve. As for purposes, the main one is food. I fail to see how hunting an animal with a quick and clean kill for food is any morally worse than breeding animals specifically to be slaughtered for food, but that's a debate for a different thread. |
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| + Son-Goku | Aug 25 2016, 01:56 AM Post #78 |
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What would you do then if you found that they could feel? Out of curiosity do you eat meat? |
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| * Ketchup Revenge | Aug 26 2016, 07:20 PM Post #79 |
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Hunting is necessary for conservation and population control. You're eliminating the animals that would die to natural causes anyway (legal hunting does this). Too many animals in one area means too little resources. Animals would starve and die horrible deaths because there's not enough resources for all of them. There's also the fact of protecting the human population and people's pets from animals as well. In the late 90s, they made beaver trapping illegal in my home state, Massachusetts; due to protests from PETA. The beaver population exploded, and people were having their land destroyed by beavers. The water sources were getting contaminated with parasites from the beavers (which was killing other animals), and the beavers were destroying other animals habitats. Needless to say, the re-legalized beaver trapping after millions of dollars in damage was done by them. The hunters trapping them was keeping their population at bay. Same with bears. They made hunting bears with dogs illegal in MA, and the population exploded. Bears were breaking into people's houses and killing their pets. And they had no fear of humans either. Edited by Ketchup Revenge, Aug 26 2016, 07:23 PM.
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Aug 26 2016, 07:53 PM Post #80 |
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Yeah, there's a reason why deer hunting is so prevalent in the U.S. They destroy the environment wherever they go and bring diseases by ticks to locations they're not normally found in. It's the same thing with wild boars. It may seem immoral killing an animal, but you're helping to preserve every other species of plant and animal life in the area. The only thing I can say on that is if you over harvest the population of deer, the predators that normally prey on deer might run out of their food source and either die off or start moving closer to humans and attacking them, which is why it's important to have hunting seasons and regulate when and where you can hunt deer and other animals. |
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| Political Piper | Sep 1 2016, 02:52 AM Post #81 |
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Well if hunting is immoral that means fishing is immoral. So should we ban fishing? What about killing insects if they crawl on you or in your house? Should we ban leather and all other clothes made from animals? Should we ban all cosmetic products? What about food like beef, pork, etc? If killing an animal for hunting is immoral than we must conclude that killing an animal for any reason is immoral. |
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Sep 1 2016, 04:39 AM Post #82 |
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It should be required by law that all American households have at least 1 firearm accessible to the family. |
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| Sam | Sep 1 2016, 05:36 AM Post #83 |
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We basically do. Per 100 people, we have like, 114 guns, lol. But I totally disagree. I might be dead by now in a spur of the moment PTSD driven suicide if I had easy access to a firearm. It's why I don't keep one. Otherwise I would. |
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| + Sandy Shore | Sep 1 2016, 06:28 AM Post #84 |
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Like, how do you know that humans are sentient? Yes, it does follow that if hunting is immoral then killing anything because it makes your life more enjoyable is immoral. That includes all the food, cosmetics and clothes that you don't need, as there is, inarguably, an abundance of alternatives. I've got some cracking lip-stick, if you're interested. If it's a question of survival, however, that is, something needs to die in order for you or someone else to survive, and/or you don't have access to the alternatives because you live in a cave, with no internet, and the apocalypse is upon you, then it's simply unfortunate, but understandable. It's a lot like living. |
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Sep 1 2016, 06:09 PM Post #85 |
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The thing with morality is that it's about as objective as your favorite color or favorite animal. You can try to posture your moral compass as the superior and/or correct one and try to back it up with subjective reasoning but it's no greater or no lesser than someone else views on morality. In this particular instance, your compass leaves you quite vulnerable to attacks from animals both four and two legged and hampers your ability to effectively survive in this world. |
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Sep 1 2016, 06:31 PM Post #86 |
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The chances of me getting attacked by an animal are very low, so I would say that it hardly hampers my ability to survive. The chances of two planes colliding in the sky above you are pretty low as well, so I can't exactly see you taking up the responsibility of wearing a helmet every day. |
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Sep 1 2016, 06:37 PM Post #87 |
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By two legged animals I meant people. |
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| + Sandy Shore | Sep 1 2016, 06:52 PM Post #88 |
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Whether or not something suffers is not subjective, nor is whether or not it's necessary for it to suffer at your hands, or whether you did it for pleasure. As I've said before, you can say you don't consider it immoral if it pleases you, but it remains unnecessarily cruel and inhumane. But, taking those undeniable facts and following our shared morality through logically—not mine as an individual—then not deeming it immoral is arbitrary. If something is arbitrary then it's unreasonable; illogical; unsound - wrong. How do you figure? Whether you eat them or not, derive pleasure from killing them or not, isn't going to change one's ability to deal with them as a potential threat. People don't generally eat or derive pleasure from killing other people, but their ability to survive against them is not affected. If you're trying to say that eating them is better for survival, then that's only true if there's no alternative. For us, there is plenty, and plenty that will actually increase your life span if you exclude the rest - therefore allowing you to survive for longer. |
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Sep 1 2016, 07:04 PM Post #89 |
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Hunting with rifles/firearms in general is the most humane form of hunting if you do it right. The animals will die almost instantaneously if you shoot their heart. Nobody can tell you if they're in immense pain from getting shot in the heart because nobody has survived having their heart literally explode inside them, but it's instantaneous. Aiming for headshots could be instantaneous too, but that leaves more room for error and you're just as likely to maim the animal than you will kill it. You have to use the proper ammunition to kill the deer. Nobody is saying that you should go out and pepper deer with .22LR or .17hmr or even 9mm until they die. That's not hunting, that's just animal cruelty. There's not enough power behind those cartridges to effectively kill a deer. There's even laws against doing that. Full powered rifle cartridges work and they work well. You should know the basic anatomy of the animal you are hunting, otherwise you will screw up and cause the animal tons of suffering, but if you do things right and by the book, it's very humane way of obtaining food and animal hides. As far as surviving goes, you know what I meant. You know I wasn't implying that you eat the attacking human. You can continue posturing but that's all it is. |
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Sep 1 2016, 07:14 PM Post #90 |
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Yes, I obviously caught that. What if we were hunted by a more powerful, socially progressed species? Now there's an interesting argument. It doesn't necessarily matter how "humane" it is; you're still deciding to take an innocent life. Sure, other animals don't have the same social lives and languages that we do, but who are we to decide that our human lives hold more value than theirs? Edited by Doggo Champion 2k17, Sep 1 2016, 07:21 PM.
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