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Opinions on gun control the U.S?
Topic Started: Aug 18 2016, 03:29 PM (3,714 Views)
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They may be fun, but the consequences of owning guns far outweigh the positives. Why keep guns around just for the sake of a bit of fun? Hunting could be considered fun, but it's also immoral.
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Aug 25 2016, 01:20 AM
They may be fun, but the consequences of owning guns far outweigh the positives. Why keep guns around just for the sake of a bit of fun? Hunting could be considered fun, but it's also immoral.
I'm sorry if I missed an earlier post. But how is hunting immoral exactly?
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You're killing an innocent animal for the sake of sport. I just don't see why guns are necessary to "have fun" when all they do is harm others. They can't exactly be used in a positive way unless it's to save an innocent life, but that rarely happens. People break into houses all the time and get shot. It's pretty much the same as the death penalty. Sure, they broke in, but you're deciding their fate without knowing who they are or what their plans were in the first place. Most robbers don't actually want to harm you. Because people don't handle stressful situations well, they shoot to kill instead of aiming for, like, the leg or something.
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Killing something that suffers for pleasure because you get a kick out of it is cruel. To many, being willfully and needlessly cruel is immoral.

I don't see why people couldn't shoot targets for fun even if gun ownership were illegal. A controlled environment that you need to be a member of, but where no one can take a gun out of for public safety.
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Aug 25 2016, 01:24 AM
You're killing an innocent animal for the sake of sport. I just don't see why guns are necessary to "have fun" when all they do is harm others. They can't exactly be used in a positive way unless it's to save an innocent life, but that rarely happens. People break into houses all the time and get shot. It's pretty much the same as the death penalty. Sure, they broke in, but you're deciding their fate without knowing who they are or what their plans were in the first place. Most robbers don't actually want to harm you. Because people don't handle stressful situations well, they shoot to kill instead of aiming for, like, the leg or something.
Everyone hunts for different reasons. I shoot for food and hey what's wrong with being excited about getting a big buck. It is a sad thing when you take a life of an animal, but I respect those animals and I never let the meat go to waste.
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Aug 25 2016, 01:06 AM
Because handguns are the worst thing you could ever use for self defense, unless you're using magnum cartridges and not everyone can handle a revolver, especially revolvers in .454 Casull or .480 Ruger. AR-15s are perfect for home defense because they have almost no kick, don't overpenetrate using the proper home/self defense loads, and can be adapted for people with all ranges of disabilities.
How often are peoples houses being attacked that such weaponry is even necessary though?

If you're living on a farm and regularly have 30 hostiles storming your house to take your riches, heck yeah you need a semi-auto rifle. You're fucked otherwise.
If you can't defend your home against some random burglar with a handgun you probably shouldn't own a gun.

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Also since I'm pretty sure you don't understand what a "sniper rifle" is, I'll explain it. It's a rifle that is used by a sniper. AR-15s can be considered a sniper rifle, if they're used by a sniper. A Mosin Nagant can be a sniper rifle if used by a sniper.


Are you talking about someone who's profession is that or someone using said rifle to snipe from a distance?
Because I clearly stated bolt action rifles there. Hardly matters.
Someone could give it a go with an AR but...why would they when they can run in to a crowd/school with one and go at it?


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Also here's someone rapid firing a sporterized MK IV Enfield.

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What's the point in that? You have to know what you're doing to be capable of something like that it's not like any random idiot could pick up a bolt action rifle and successfully go nuts with it swiftly and accurately. Maybe in a Call of Duty game.

It'd be a dumb thing to use for a mass shooting up close hence why it basically never happens.
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Aug 25 2016, 01:24 AM
You're killing an innocent animal for the sake of sport. I just don't see why guns are necessary to "have fun" when all they do is harm others. They can't exactly be used in a positive way unless it's to save an innocent life, but that rarely happens. People break into houses all the time and get shot. It's pretty much the same as the death penalty. Sure, they broke in, but you're deciding their fate without knowing who they are or what their plans were in the first place. Most robbers don't actually want to harm you. Because people don't handle stressful situations well, they shoot to kill instead of aiming for, like, the leg or something.
As much as I've said I don't want to get in to debating laws or anything like that, here I go. The reason why you shoot to neutralize, or kill if you want to use that word, is because wounding/maiming them intentionally is a serious crime, and can leave someone in horrible pain until they die, and if they don't, horrible pain for the rest of their life. There's a reason why the Geneva Convention is in place for those superpowers that signed it.

Also hunting for sport is frowned upon in the U.S by most hunters, and is actually illegal in many states. The only states I can think of where it isn't illegal are states that have a wild hog problem, like in the southern states. Even then, it's only legal if it's done humanely, and it's only for wild hogs.

As to the rest of your post, that's your opinion, and while I totally disagree I won't try to debate it.
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Aug 25 2016, 01:31 AM
Everyone hunts for different reasons. I shoot for food and hey what's wrong with being excited about getting a big buck.
You've got the internet, so I'm going to go out on a limb—where's it's so lonely—and say that you absolutely don't need to kill to eat. You're doing it for the thrill of it, I'm sure.

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It is a sad thing when you take a life of an animal, but I respect those animals and I never let the meat go to waste.
You can't respect it that much, and it doesn't make it any less selfish and needless, and therefore cruel.

Imagine if that was my justification to kill a woman. I felt a bit sad, but I respect her enough to not let her body go to waste.

Your rebuttal is going to be in the vein of, "but that's a person", isn't it?
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Hunting for deer, ducks, etc. is illegal? Because everyone here does it.
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Aug 25 2016, 01:40 AM
Hunting for deer, ducks, etc. is illegal? Because everyone here does it.
It's not illegal in my state.
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Aug 25 2016, 01:34 AM
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Aug 25 2016, 01:06 AM
Because handguns are the worst thing you could ever use for self defense, unless you're using magnum cartridges and not everyone can handle a revolver, especially revolvers in .454 Casull or .480 Ruger. AR-15s are perfect for home defense because they have almost no kick, don't overpenetrate using the proper home/self defense loads, and can be adapted for people with all ranges of disabilities.
How often are peoples houses being attacked that such weaponry is even necessary though?

If you're living on a farm and regularly have 30 hostiles storming your house to take your riches, heck yeah you need a semi-auto rifle. You're fucked otherwise.
If you can't defend your home against some random burglar with a handgun you probably shouldn't own a gun.

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Also since I'm pretty sure you don't understand what a "sniper rifle" is, I'll explain it. It's a rifle that is used by a sniper. AR-15s can be considered a sniper rifle, if they're used by a sniper. A Mosin Nagant can be a sniper rifle if used by a sniper.


Are you talking about someone who's profession is that or someone using said rifle to snipe from a distance?
Because I clearly stated bolt action rifles there. Hardly matters.
Someone could give it a go with an AR but...why would they when they can run in to a crowd/school with one and go at it?


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Also here's someone rapid firing a sporterized MK IV Enfield.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8b5ondZv5o


What's the point in that? You have to know what you're doing to be capable of something like that it's not like any random idiot could pick up a bolt action rifle and successfully go nuts with it swiftly and accurately. Maybe in a Call of Duty game.

It'd be a dumb thing to use for a mass shooting up close hence why it basically never happens.
On average 2 million break ins a year, so pretty often. Handguns are actually much harder to use for the average person that rifles and the bullets move much slower. They also leave big, nasty wounds that are incredibly hard to surgically fix. To propel the bullet out of the barrel, you create an explosion inside the gun. Think about it, is it going to be easier to control a smaller object or a larger object that has an explosion going on inside it?

What I was saying with the sniper rifle thing was that any and all rifles can be considered a sniper rifle, whether they're auto-loading, bolt action, or single shot. The only thing separating them from being just a rifle is the person using it and their intent with the rifle.

To your last point, you're right. Fatal shootings with rifles in the U.S make up less than 5% of all firearm deaths.

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Hunting for deer, ducks, etc. is illegal? Because everyone here does it.


You need a license to hunt those animals, and they don't hand them out to someone just looking to kill an animal for the thrill of it. There has to be some purpose for you to be hunting the animal that isn't just to get a sick thrill.

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So what exactly would that purpose be? No one in America needs to hunt for food anymore. It's senseless killing.
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Aug 25 2016, 01:51 AM
So what exactly would that purpose be? No one in America needs to hunt for food anymore. It's senseless killing.
Do you eat fruits and vegetables?
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Yes, but those are not sentient beings. :)
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Aug 25 2016, 01:54 AM
Yes, but those are not sentient beings. :)
How do you know?
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