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Opinions on gun control the U.S?
Topic Started: Aug 18 2016, 03:29 PM (3,716 Views)
* Yu Narukami
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Izanagi!

Obviously context is important. People convicted of possession or use of Cannabis, for example, shouldn't be affected by any laws unless the crime they committed was somehow involved with violence or threatening behaviour.

As for the mentally ill part of your post, do you have a source for the claim you made? Concerning the topic in general, I think that once again context is key.
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Eh, I'm fairly certain the 2nd will be altered in some shape or form. The US gets slowly more liberal with each generation and I think support for gun control is at its all time high. Especially now it's looking like the Supreme Court will have a significant number of liberal judges now that Republicans have nominated a joke for their nominee.

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There should be more gun control, more checks, make it harder for criminals and dangerously unbalanced individuals to own guns. While I like guns in general and find then fun, they're still deadly weapons that anyone can use to kill a group of people.

As for this any it being a citizen's right, I honestly think the second amendment as it is interpreted nite is that way because it makes it much easier for the government to control the people ironically enough, a militia with training and modern aircraft will always be better for a seceeding state than a bunch of private citizens having to hope to the air force or any defects in large numbers to them. The second amendment as it is now is another way to prevent a rebellion from succeeding, not that I'd actually want one to meet success, but it's painfully obvious the amendment wasn't made with aircraft and missiles in mind, and as it is right now is completely unprepared for such a situation. Before a well trained militia with personal weapons could conceivably win or at least outlast the union, just look at the civil war (they lost and were arguably always gonna lose but they were wearing the union down). Now a days unless the air force and army starts defecting in large numbers or refusing orders, the rebels will lose and at best mount a guerilla war, they certainly won't hold any cities.

@Daemon Keido

Hey, I was wondering, what are the laws regarding knives and bladed weapons and what do you think of them in comparison?
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Helvius Pertinax Augustus
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What will you do when you get old?

Nagito Komaeda
Aug 19 2016, 03:57 PM


As for the mentally ill part of your post, do you have a source for the claim you made? Concerning the topic in general, I think that once again context is key.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NY_SAFE_Act

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/03/21/gun-advocates-upset-over-tipline/2007603/
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Helvius Pertinax Augustus
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OFG
Aug 19 2016, 03:25 PM
I wasn't saying that your interpretation of the constitution was wrong. Obviously the 2nd amendment needs to be updated; however, that will probably never happen, and it will always be up for interpretation. I'd say that with the way society (and therefore machinery and weaponry) have progressed, we need to interpret the constitution a bit differently. The best alternative would be to update the 2nd amendment, but as I said that probably won't happen, so we're stuck in a stand-still between those who take the constitution literally and those that believe it should be interpreted differently since we aren't in the 18th century anymore.
Yeah, I know you weren't saying my interpretation was wrong, this was just the type of debate I wanted to avoid on the thread, so more people would be interested in posting and sharing their views. The last few threads ended up just being myself and 2 or 3 other people going back and forth for 10 pages with no input from anyone else, I'm trying to avoid that by making everyones viewpoint welcome.
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* Yu Narukami
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Izanagi!

Jar-Jar Binks
Aug 19 2016, 04:44 PM
Nagito Komaeda
Aug 19 2016, 03:57 PM


As for the mentally ill part of your post, do you have a source for the claim you made? Concerning the topic in general, I think that once again context is key.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NY_SAFE_Act

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/03/21/gun-advocates-upset-over-tipline/2007603/
Where does it explicitly say that the neighbour's tip would lead to anything other than an appropriate investigation by the authorities? It's not like a neighbour could call the line and suddenly you're not able to own firearms.
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the problem isn't guns tho the same way it's not vidya games or TV when there's a thing that happens
its the ppl and their values so gun control is really just enabling people to be retarded but without guns
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Nagito Komaeda
Aug 19 2016, 04:51 PM
Jar-Jar Binks
Aug 19 2016, 04:44 PM
Nagito Komaeda
Aug 19 2016, 03:57 PM


As for the mentally ill part of your post, do you have a source for the claim you made? Concerning the topic in general, I think that once again context is key.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NY_SAFE_Act

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/03/21/gun-advocates-upset-over-tipline/2007603/
Where does it explicitly say that the neighbour's tip would lead to anything other than an appropriate investigation by the authorities? It's not like a neighbour could call the line and suddenly you're not able to own firearms.
Well, it doesn't explicitly say that, but if you're found with a firearm that until recently has been legal, then you'd be charged with a felony possession and then your rights would be removed. Is it up to the individual to comply with the new legislation? Yes. At the same time, if the law is there to simply infringe upon your rights, should you comply? Well, that's your personal decision.

http://www.pressconnects.com/story/news/politics/2015/06/23/safe-act-data-low-compliance/29188575/

Here's one where the guy was legally allowed to possess firearms in New York, but had them all confiscated anyway. Pro-gun slant, though.

http://gunsnfreedom.com/0711-gun-confiscation-has-begun-in-new-york-state
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* Yu Narukami
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Izanagi!

Wagwan
Aug 19 2016, 05:04 PM
the problem isn't guns tho the same way it's not vidya games or TV when there's a thing that happens
its the ppl and their values so gun control is really just enabling people to be retarded but without guns


If it's a choice, I'd rather somebody acting stupid be barred from having guns. Infinitely less dangerous.

Jar-Jar Binks
Aug 19 2016, 05:04 PM
Nagito Komaeda
Aug 19 2016, 04:51 PM
Jar-Jar Binks
Aug 19 2016, 04:44 PM
Nagito Komaeda
Aug 19 2016, 03:57 PM


As for the mentally ill part of your post, do you have a source for the claim you made? Concerning the topic in general, I think that once again context is key.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NY_SAFE_Act

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/03/21/gun-advocates-upset-over-tipline/2007603/
Where does it explicitly say that the neighbour's tip would lead to anything other than an appropriate investigation by the authorities? It's not like a neighbour could call the line and suddenly you're not able to own firearms.
Well, it doesn't explicitly say that, but if you're found with a firearm that until recently has been legal, then you'd be charged with a felony possession and then your rights would be removed. Is it up to the individual to comply with the new legislation? Yes. At the same time, if the law is there to simply infringe upon your rights, should you comply? Well, that's your personal decision.

http://www.pressconnects.com/story/news/politics/2015/06/23/safe-act-data-low-compliance/29188575/

Here's one where the guy was legally allowed to possess firearms in New York, but had them all confiscated anyway. Pro-gun slant, though.

http://gunsnfreedom.com/0711-gun-confiscation-has-begun-in-new-york-state


The best way to fight a law like this is by complying with it while battling it politically. What good is not registering your firearm going to do? If you disagree with the Law, register it so you don't get in trouble and participate in the politicle debate surrounding the issue.
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Helvius Pertinax Augustus
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See, this is why I wanted to avoid falling in to an argument. I'm not trying to debate everyones point of view, I just want to hear it. 802 views but only 39 posts. Could be a lot higher.
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oh god he doesnt get it
oh well I wont blow up jarjars thread over a misunderstood post
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Helvius Pertinax Augustus
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What will you do when you get old?

Blow up my s***, fam
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Nagito Komaeda
Aug 19 2016, 05:08 PM
Wagwan
Aug 19 2016, 05:04 PM
the problem isn't guns tho the same way it's not vidya games or TV when there's a thing that happens
its the ppl and their values so gun control is really just enabling people to be retarded but without guns


If it's a choice, I'd rather somebody acting stupid be barred from having guns. Infinitely less dangerous.
If its a choice to watch tv and play video games Id rather someone acting stupid be barred from watching tv and playing video games -- infinitely less dangerous
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Helvius Pertinax Augustus
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What will you do when you get old?

So Wagwan, what's your opinion on gun control?
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My opinion is a little strange because while I think that a few laws restricting guns to the mentally ill and doing some background checks make sense, I actually voted to keep it as it is. Canada has a third of the amount of guns Americans have, yet, over seven times lower firearm related deaths per year. To me, that screams of this not being so clear. I honestly think all the overwhelming negativity and hyperbole in the U.S. media incites people to violent behavior. Since guns are a tool for violence, even in self-defense, they are used a lot here in crimes.

But also, one point I would make that contradicts something you posted Jar Jar, I read something like it was less than 1% of cases where gun related crimes were stopped by a "good guy with a gun". Basically, an armed civilian stopping the gun violence while it is taking place.

Gun violence in America, I believe, is indicative of a wider problem. A lot of it to do with our media. Obama has had to do more mass shooting speeches than he has held state dinners over his presidency; which is pretty damn sad. When I campaigned for him in '08, I never thought that would be a fact towards the end of his two terms. Even the room where he gave his speech about the Orlando shootings was named after a victim of gun violence.

But, I also think that we're wrong when we directly point at guns themselves as the problem. We are too quick to come to that conclusion. Per 100 U.S. residents, there is an unprecedented average of 113 guns. Most of the other countries in this top ten list are third world. So it is a mix of both. The 2nd amendment is what it is. Would we be better off with stricter control? Probably. Is the media a large factor in inciting violence? Probably. We need to stop being so quick to point the blame and really evaluate how other sources, like the media, factor into gun violence before we go and start ratifying amendments.

So, that's why I voted to keep it the same. It may be a confusing opinion, but, yeah :lol:

I personally don't own or care for firearms much myself. Have I used them? Yeah. But I'm not strongly for or against regulation at this point. Not because I believe it to be unnecessary, but, because I think there are other factors we need to consider that are often lost in the passion of the regulation debate.
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