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Opinions on gun control the U.S?
Topic Started: Aug 18 2016, 03:29 PM (3,717 Views)
Copy_Ninja
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There needs to be more consistency, the type of guns and accessories that are banned now seem very arbitrary. You can have two guns that are for all intents and purposes the same thing but one is banned and one isn't. It kind of makes your laws look less legitimate when there's such obvious holes like that. Make sure the background checks cover all gun sales. No guns for violent criminals. No guns for people with certain mental illnesses (which ones would not suit having weaponry would be for someone with better knowledge than me to decide).

You guys have a constitutional right to bear arms, which I think is absolutely ludicrous but w/e, it's there and you guys have always had it so you work with what you have. Guns are deadly weapons designed to kill, they need some kind of regulation.
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EMIYA
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"I am the bone of my sword."

The fact that some of you think the USA needs less gun control/restrictions is to me is painful. I feel guns are a complete waste to have and are unnecessary and don't act as the deterrence people think they do. Studies in fact seem to indicate that owning guns does not act as better defense or deterrence but the exact opposite.

Just like Copy said, we have a "Constitutional Right" to own guns but that doesn't make it a logical choice. Some of you want less gun control in a country where gun violence is rampant, far more than other first world countries? You people want to give anyone, criminals, the violent and mentally handicapped guns?

If you need guns...here's what you need.

Proper control, a system of good checks and balances. You want a gun for protection? Fine, get yourself an average hand pistol to keep by your bedside. Get yourself an average rifle for hunting or recreational purposes. I think that's too much but fine, I'm willing to make compromise. But we don''t need to give civilians all these weapons much less military grade applications. We don't need to give anyone anti-tank rounds. We simply don't need that.

We need a system of proper control in which the right people are given guns and the proper guns at that.

I sure as hell don't want to live in a country where anyone and everyone can easily get access to a gun. If this country ever goes down that line, I'll get over to Great Britain as fast as I can.

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I don't personally like guns, but I know nothing about guns and therefore I don't have an opinion on this subject. I think people like Obama really exaggerate the accessibility of guns, though.
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how odd so here in Hungary we cant keep weapons and so that the casual street shootings are way way way way way too little in comparison to the USA.



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Which option allows me to say I think there should be a tighter gun control in check for people who have a record or red flagged by the NSA or Homeland security. I think congress should pass a law right now that has tighter security checks, but once you pass you're allowed to follow the 2nd Amendment.
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Pyrus
Aug 19 2016, 02:56 AM
Let me have my guns. Let me buy my guns. Let me buy my ammo. Keep the psychos away. Don't punish the responsible gun nuts for the ones that shouldn't have had a gun in the first place.
While I agree with the sentiment to that psychos can pretty easily get guns right now.

Maybe it will take an extra week or two for responsible gun owners to get their guns with new restrictions...but is that really not worth it?
With schools being shot up every other day I'm not sure why people value their convenience over human lives.

I see no reason why responsible people shouldn't have guns, so long as they don't own anything too ridiculous. There is no need for civilians to own military grade weapons.
If not just on the basis that they could snap one day or someone could steal them and do so much more damage.
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Helvius Pertinax Augustus
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Aug 19 2016, 08:51 AM
Which option allows me to say I think there should be a tighter gun control in check for people who have a record or red flagged by the NSA or Homeland security. I think congress should pass a law right now that has tighter security checks, but once you pass you're allowed to follow the 2nd Amendment.
The "I think there needs to be more gun control/tighter restrictions" option.
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My opinion is that it's a right for all U.S citizens, including criminals and the mentally ill. No restrictions on anything, if you can afford to own it, you should be able to own it. No registration on anything either. No magazine capacity limits. There's no clause in the 2nd Amendment that limits any of that and there's been no ratification of an amendment amending the 2nd Amendment. Until then, all laws and regulations regarding firearms are illegal and unconstitutional. Unfortunately I have to follow the infringing laws or I'll see myself in the big house.

I understand your point about the constitution, but that's kind of ridiculous.
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Helvius Pertinax Augustus
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I was asked what my opinion was on it, and I provided it. I'm trying not to spark any sort of argument or debate about the subject, so I'm just going to leave that as my reply. I see a few others trying to bait me in to one as well. ;)
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Well, usually when you start a conversation people are going to continue it. It isn't really "baiting" so much as responding to a potentially dangerous comment. But hey, if you don't want to respond that's fine.
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Aug 19 2016, 08:38 AM
how odd so here in Hungary we cant keep weapons and so that the casual street shootings are way way way way way too little in comparison to the USA.


That's pretty much true for a lot of countries that have high gun control/restriction.

Here in the US, there's some insane point of view that if we implemented any sort of control or restriction on guns, then those with guns are going to go on a rampage and we won't have any way to protect ourselves. But that's a huge load of crap. Despite the fact that America has one of the highest gun ownership, it has done nothing to deter crime or shootings. In fact its done the exact opposite.


Stricter gun control and restrictions doesn't make those without guns defenseless against those with guns. It makes it harder for those without guns to obtain them. There's far less of a chance of someone obtaining a weapon and using it if restrictions make it difficult to obtain. Right now though, it is frighteningly easy for someone to obtain a gun.

There are many first world countries like Australia and Japan who have extremely strict gun control/restrictions and their gun crimes are practically nilch. Which seems rather sensible as the less guns you have, the less possibility of committing crimes with them.

Every time I look up statistics, I always see a common point. Countries with very low gun control/restrictions an adversely high proportion in gun crimes and violence. Countries with very high control/restrictions such as Australia and Japan have a very low rate of gun crimes and violence. Sure you might have that outline every so often.

But considering how high gun crime is in the USA, I don't see how the USA shouldn't be able to look at a country with lower gun crime like Japan, Australia, the UK, etc. and see what they're doing that's working great for them and how the USA could perhaps implement those ideas in helping to secure itself.

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Helvius Pertinax Augustus
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@ OFG I'll respond if people want me to, but I wasn't really making this thread to debate which studies are credible and which aren't and how the U.S Constitution is interpreted since it'd just be a recycled debate from my earlier threads, but this time I'm not gonna cite my sources, you can look through my older threads for sources if you want since I'm not too interested in debating this right now.

Here we go, though.

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A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed.


So forming a militia is the first expressed right, and the right to bear and keep arms is the 2nd expressed right in the U.S Constitution and the latter right shall not be infringed. Any law restricting the possession of a small or large arm to a citizen is unconstitutional, regardless of what you deem common sense.

Since 2013 the U.S has been ranked 9th in total firearm deaths (between 32 and 33,000 a year) worldwide in first world countries, 2014 they were 10th, and and 2015 we were 11th. In 2013 the U.S was ranked 12th (about 12,000) in murders by firearm worldwide in first world countries, 2014 (about 10,000) they were ranked 15th, and 2015 (about 8,500) they were ranked 18th. For the past half century the U.S has been ranked #1 in suicides by firearms, with an average of 22,000-24,000 a year

Obama ordered the CDC to do a study on gun violence in America, they found that in the United States, there are over 100,000 uses of firearms in self defense each year, the majority of which being the displaying or firing of a firearm to deter a criminal from attacking. They also found that law abiding, civilian gun owners have no correlation to gun violence in the U.S and that *big shocker* only criminals commit violent crimes with firearms, except in places where using a firearm to defend your life is illegal.

If there's any other points to some of these posts I missed, let me know and I'll respond
Edited by Helvius Pertinax Augustus, Aug 19 2016, 03:11 PM.
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OFG
Aug 19 2016, 02:36 PM
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My opinion is that it's a right for all U.S citizens, including criminals and the mentally ill. No restrictions on anything, if you can afford to own it, you should be able to own it. No registration on anything either. No magazine capacity limits. There's no clause in the 2nd Amendment that limits any of that and there's been no ratification of an amendment amending the 2nd Amendment. Until then, all laws and regulations regarding firearms are illegal and unconstitutional. Unfortunately I have to follow the infringing laws or I'll see myself in the big house.

I understand your point about the constitution, but that's kind of ridiculous.
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Helvius Pertinax Augustus
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What will you do when you get old?

I'd say I value freedom over a false sense of security. Keep in mind that some people are arrested and prosecuted for crimes like possession of marijuana in their youth, and then 35 years later, after not having touched the stuff for 35 years, they are not legally allowed to buy a firearm for something they did when they were young and dumb. Do they not deserve the right to defend their lives and their families? I know a guy who's in the same boat. He had every right as a citizen stripped from him because of it. He told me just getting his right to vote back was an ordeal, he can't imagine what getting his firearm rights restored would be like.

As far as the mentally ill goes, some disorders that still leave you mentally capable of many things, do disqualify you from owning and possessing a firearm, and there are some states (getting in to the minutiae here) that have even tougher "mental health" laws. If your neighbor, you know the one who hates your guts for you letting your dog pee on his lawn, calls and says he thinks you're a danger to others, you lose your right to bear and keep arms in that state.
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I wasn't saying that your interpretation of the constitution was wrong. Obviously the 2nd amendment needs to be updated; however, that will probably never happen, and it will always be up for interpretation. I'd say that with the way society (and therefore machinery and weaponry) have progressed, we need to interpret the constitution a bit differently. The best alternative would be to update the 2nd amendment, but as I said that probably won't happen, so we're stuck in a stand-still between those who take the constitution literally and those that believe it should be interpreted differently since we aren't in the 18th century anymore.
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