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Elected vs unelected governments
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+ Pelador	Aug 18 2016, 03:09 AM Post #1
Crazy Awesome Legend Posts: 25,663 Group: Legend Member #4,634 Joined: December 12, 2009 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime HunterxHunter What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragonball	Elected governments vs unelected governments. Which are better? I've always been a sympathiser of unelected governments. True they're much harder to get rid of and they generally tend to be fairly tyrannical. But they get things done, good or bad. Which one could argue is better than nothing being done at all like with the majority of democratic governments. Some might argue that if you don't like your elected leaders then you can just wait a few years to get some new ones, but the chances of getting a good government seem to be the same as getting a good dictatorship. Think about it. Of all the American Presidents, how many can you say have been great? How many good? And then how many bad? Mostly mediocre right? Often because congress blocked legislation or they just had terrible ideas. With dictatorships you don't get the legislative limbo. True it's easier for horrible things to happen due to a lack of opposition but like I said before, things at least get legislated.
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Wagwan	Aug 18 2016, 03:58 AM Post #2
Posts: 190 Group: Member Member #12,260 Joined: April 22, 2015	elected governments should only exist if the electors are intelligent and benevolent unelected governments should only exist if the governments are intelligent and benevolent



breaker335	Aug 18 2016, 04:52 AM Post #3
Posts: 879 Group: Member Member #13,278 Joined: June 5, 2016 Gender Male Country United States	Clank Aug 18 2016, 03:58 AM elected governments should only exist if the electors are intelligent and benevolent unelected governments should only exist if the governments are intelligent and benevolent Sounds about right.



Zoom	Aug 18 2016, 09:19 AM Post #4
Posts: 3,426 Group: Member Member #12,146 Joined: March 16, 2015 Gender Male	I'm starting to loose hope in our political parties. I don't understand how people would honestly support Trump, forget about the bigotry statements, he's not qualified. His probably the least qualified in recent times. Trump has never delivered a extemporaneous sentences that is meaningful or intelligent.



+ Son-Goku	Aug 18 2016, 01:25 PM Post #5
孫悟空 Posts: 13,359 Group: Elite Member Member #12,886 Joined: January 24, 2016 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime DB/DBZ/DBS, Code Geass, Gintama, YYH, Death Note, and SAO. What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Fairy Tail, and Naruto.	Elected governments are superior but people are getting dumber and the people to elect are getting worse. @SSj4 Gotenks: The same goes for Clinton, she's no better in fact she's worse. Edited by Son-Goku, Aug 18 2016, 01:25 PM.
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*Copy_Ninja*	Aug 18 2016, 02:10 PM Post #6
*Novacane for the pain* Posts: 8,033 Group: Guardian Member #6,499 Joined: July 18, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime Naruto, Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood, Hunter x Hunter (2011) What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Monster, One Piece, Naruto, Fullmetal Alchemist, Hunter X Hunter, Death Note, SnK	It's not even a contest. An elected government exists as an extension of the will of the people. I know some people here are cynical and will role their eyes but it's true. If a government f***s up too much and abuses too much power, they will be turfed out. Elections are what keeps those who make and enforce the laws accountable. It also provides a much needed outlet for people to voice their displeasure and disagreement with the way their country is run. What happens when that doesn't exist? Violence, civil unrest. The only way that can be prevented is the curtailment of rights. Restrictions on freedom of speech, freedom of the press, civil liberties, due process, the rule of law etc. If there is anything that history should teach you it's that generally people do not like to be ruled over. Quote: @SSj4 Gotenks: The same goes for Clinton, she's no better in fact she's worse. Clinton is not even in the same league of horribleness as Trump. I don't think there's ever been such disparity between the candidates of two parties before.
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lazerbem	Aug 18 2016, 02:32 PM Post #7
Posts: 10,662 Group: Forum Moderator Member #10,435 Joined: November 1, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Asura's Wrath(it counts) What Browser do you use? Google Chrome	Who said unelected governments are smoother? Very often they can be bureaucratic messes that make the process of Congress look smooth. For an example, look no further than the Nazis for an example of an unelected government(not officially so, Hitler basically muscled into office) that was monstrously inept at basically everything it did.
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~~Helvius Pertinax Augustus~~	Aug 18 2016, 02:41 PM Post #8
What will you do when you get old? Posts: 1,096 Group: Suspended Member #12,915 Joined: February 8, 2016 Gender Not Specified Country United States Favourite Anime Don't actually watch anime What Browser do you use? Internet Explorer Favourite Manga Don't read manga	lazerbem Aug 18 2016, 02:32 PM Who said unelected governments are smoother? Very often they can be bureaucratic messes that make the process of Congress look smooth. For an example, look no further than the Nazis for an example of an unelected government(not officially so, Hitler basically muscled into office) that was monstrously inept at basically everything it did. Yeah, and yet people still believe the Nazis were ever able to orchestrate something so large. They'd have been better off had they not broken the alliance with Russia, and tried to make the U.S an ally. Anyway I'm inclined to think that elected governments are much better, assuming the process takes in to account all of the countries citizens votes and not just who their representatives and superdelegates vote for.



lazerbem	Aug 18 2016, 03:11 PM Post #9
Posts: 10,662 Group: Forum Moderator Member #10,435 Joined: November 1, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Asura's Wrath(it counts) What Browser do you use? Google Chrome	Quote: Yeah, and yet people still believe the Nazis were ever able to orchestrate something so large. They'd have been better off had they not broken the alliance with Russia, and tried to make the U.S an ally. That would have required the Nazi ideology to lose the racial supremacist aspect as well as mass bankruptcy since all of Hitler's plans were only sustainable through constant warfare. In other words, they would have to stop being Nazis.
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breaker335	Aug 18 2016, 11:23 PM Post #10
Posts: 879 Group: Member Member #13,278 Joined: June 5, 2016 Gender Male Country United States	Well as bad as Hitler was, he did bring Germany out a Depression, even if it was short lived.



lazerbem	Aug 18 2016, 11:31 PM Post #11
Posts: 10,662 Group: Forum Moderator Member #10,435 Joined: November 1, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Asura's Wrath(it counts) What Browser do you use? Google Chrome	breaker335 Aug 18 2016, 11:23 PM Well as bad as Hitler was, he did bring Germany out a Depression, even if it was short lived. No, he didn't. The Reichsmark was already on the way up by the time that he came into power, he just took the credit for it. What's more is that all of his plans were unsustainable without constant warfare. Also, I'd think that being in a depression is better than having the country be ripped in half for decades to come.
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~~Helvius Pertinax Augustus~~	Aug 19 2016, 02:32 AM Post #12
What will you do when you get old? Posts: 1,096 Group: Suspended Member #12,915 Joined: February 8, 2016 Gender Not Specified Country United States Favourite Anime Don't actually watch anime What Browser do you use? Internet Explorer Favourite Manga Don't read manga	He was attempting to pull his people from the Abyss. If he didn't go all out, no holds barred, Germany would have become what it is now a lot sooner.



lazerbem	Aug 19 2016, 03:20 AM Post #13
Posts: 10,662 Group: Forum Moderator Member #10,435 Joined: November 1, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Asura's Wrath(it counts) What Browser do you use? Google Chrome	What abyss? There was no abyss except in his own deluded mind, unless you seriously think that the false flag attacks were real. He invaded other countries based on delusions of racial superiority and grandeur and predictably ended up getting his a* whooped and his country ripped to pieces. I'm sure Hitler probably thought he was pulling them from the abyss, but that's exactly the problem: that's what he thought. And Hitler is not the model of mental health. None of the Nazi cabinet was, 90% of them were complete s* at their jobs.
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*Copy_Ninja*	Aug 19 2016, 03:26 AM Post #14
*Novacane for the pain* Posts: 8,033 Group: Guardian Member #6,499 Joined: July 18, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime Naruto, Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood, Hunter x Hunter (2011) What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Monster, One Piece, Naruto, Fullmetal Alchemist, Hunter X Hunter, Death Note, SnK	Jar-Jar Binks Aug 19 2016, 02:32 AM If he didn't go all out, no holds barred, Germany would have become what it is now a lot sooner. What, the world's 4th largest GDP with a high standard of living, third largest import and exporter of goods with universal healthcare, free university education, a strong position in the EU probably the strongest non-p5 State at the UN and in the top 10 countries in the world for human development? Wow, Hitler really was holding them back wasn't he?
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Zoom	Aug 19 2016, 08:32 AM Post #15
Posts: 3,426 Group: Member Member #12,146 Joined: March 16, 2015 Gender Male	Son Goten Aug 18 2016, 01:25 PM Elected governments are superior but people are getting dumber and the people to elect are getting worse. @SSj4 Gotenks: The same goes for Clinton, she's no better in fact she's worse. This is why i'm starting to loose hope. Bernie Sanders seems okay, and by the looks of things it's only coming down to Clinton or Trump.



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