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Tumblr Queers are Ruining the LGBT Movement
Tweet Topic Started: Aug 16 2016, 03:50 PM (2,586 Views)
~~Doggo Champion 2k17~~	Aug 16 2016, 07:49 PM Post #31
Posts: 7,931 Group: GTFO Member #6,380 Joined: June 20, 2011 Country United States Favourite Anime here comes What Browser do you use? o shit waddup! Favourite Manga dat boi	Same. It's confusing, and it doesn't need to be. It's like a person who only feels the need to have sex once a month claiming that they are "one month sexuals," or someone who is sexually attracted to women but romantically attracted to men calling themselves some other made-up word. It just doesn't matter. No two people are the same, nor do any two people experience sex and love the same way. If we're really going to get technical, no one would even share the same label at all. It's just a mess. You can be a heterosexual demisexual, a homosexual demisexual, or a bisexual demisexual. In reality, drop the demisexual because it doesn't matter. Lol Quote: I was talking about transgender people who had fully undergone the transition. Obviously if the transgender person still has a penis or vagina and that's not your thing, I don't really see how anyone can have an issue with somebody not being on board with that. Doesn't make them any less a man or woman (at least on the inside), it just means you aren't attracted to their body. Transgender means you haven't gone through with any surgeries. Transsexual means that you've had the surgery already. Also, it's worth noting that a vast amount of transmen don't ever have bottom surgery because it's just too risky and expensive. Edited by Doggo Champion 2k17, Aug 16 2016, 07:51 PM.



Buuberries	Aug 16 2016, 07:51 PM Post #32
No Posts: 7,150 Group: Members Member #8,753 Joined: December 30, 2012 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime The Passion of Christ What Browser do you use? Christianity Favourite Manga The Bible	yea im done now. it got to the point of having 15 tabs open to look at the definition of the same terms from different sources lmao
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* Mitas	Aug 16 2016, 08:00 PM Post #33
It truly was a Shawshank redemption Posts: 12,129 Group: Retired Staff Member #2,993 Joined: December 16, 2007 Gender Male Favourite Anime DBZ What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga DBZ, Full Metal Alchemist	Ah, I wasn't aware that the two terms meant different things.
	"Then you've got the chance to do better next time." "Next time?" "Course. Doing better next time. That's what life is."


+ Steve	Aug 16 2016, 09:33 PM Post #34
Greetings. I will be your waifu this season. Posts: 19,471 Group: Legend Member #5,710 Joined: February 7, 2011 Gender Male Country United Kingdom Favourite Anime Hunter x Hunter(2011) What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Berserk all day erry day	Yeah this crap is just ridiculous, has this thread even gone in to the whole "otherkin" thing? I think that's when people believe they are other animals in human bodies. And at that point I would say we're definitely in the realm of "mentally disturbed" rather than "actually a rhinoceros in a human body" All the pronouns are ridiculous as well "they" "ze" "zir" "xys" How are people supposed to remember all of this? Especially when they just don't stop, there's a new "gender" practically every damn day because people feel that sometimes they're 7% washing machine and other days 40% antique globe. The annoying thing is under the pretence of social rights a lot of things bow to this stupidity, universities and colleges in the US do often I think. They can't say no your gender doesn't exist because then people will protest and get generally pissed off that their rights are infringed by us cis scum. Male, female, neither and perhaps both. That's all there is and all we need.
	Definitely not a succubus, fear not


~~Doggo Champion 2k17~~	Aug 16 2016, 09:49 PM Post #35
Posts: 7,931 Group: GTFO Member #6,380 Joined: June 20, 2011 Country United States Favourite Anime here comes What Browser do you use? o shit waddup! Favourite Manga dat boi	I'm totally fine with calling a non-binary person "them" or "they," but referring to someone only using some made-up pronoun is crossing the line for me. I would still do it so that I'm not blatantly disrespecting a person's wishes, but don't expect me not to think that you're some self-absorbed, egotistical person who wants the world's attention because that's what I'm going to see you as. Non-binary definitely does exist though. It's totally possible not to identify with either gender. But be a respectable human being about it. Insist that people call you "they" instead of seeing it as some big, life-changing, self-important issue. "You must only refer to me as xys or I will disown you and forget I ever knew you." Um yeah, how about you quite being an attention-craving a*****? Sorry, I just have strong feelings atm. lol



* Mitas	Aug 16 2016, 10:16 PM Post #36
It truly was a Shawshank redemption Posts: 12,129 Group: Retired Staff Member #2,993 Joined: December 16, 2007 Gender Male Favourite Anime DBZ What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga DBZ, Full Metal Alchemist	What makes somebody non-binary? Aren't 'masculine' and 'feminine' traits just constructs of whatever era, culture, or species you are a part of?
	"Then you've got the chance to do better next time." "Next time?" "Course. Doing better next time. That's what life is."


+ Steve	Aug 16 2016, 10:41 PM Post #37
Greetings. I will be your waifu this season. Posts: 19,471 Group: Legend Member #5,710 Joined: February 7, 2011 Gender Male Country United Kingdom Favourite Anime Hunter x Hunter(2011) What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Berserk all day erry day	I feel like "they" and "them" are kind of dumb pronouns for whole genders or non-genders. Typically you refer to people as they or them in order to make conversation flow better instead of saying he or she all the time, them obviously being plural. Just thinking of sentences using that sound daft. "Um they're not a she they're a they" "Those people over there are...theys? Thems? Just them?" "They people really grind my gears" "I want to take you to a they bar!" Something pretentious like xys is a no no but they and them just don't work to my mind. Surely there's at least something Latin-y that actually makes sense for it. Besides the point I guess. I just hope my kids won't live in a world where you need to know 50 different sets of pronouns and does and don'ts for that many "genders" way too much brain space that could be used for important things like ~~trigonometry~~ how to divide large numbers.
	Definitely not a succubus, fear not


~~The Authoritarian~~	Aug 16 2016, 11:09 PM Post #38
Posts: 12 Group: Suspended Member #13,437 Joined: August 10, 2016 Gender Male	Quote: Homosexual, bisexual, asexual, pansexual, demisexual, the list goes on and on and on and it makes my brain ache. Here are some comprehensive lists for the lulz: http://itspronouncedmetrosexual.com/2013/01/a-comprehensive-list-of-lgbtq-term-definitions/ http://ageofs*lords.com/complete-list-of-all-tumblr-sexualities-so-far/ Now this may be an unpopular opinion here, but I think this is stupid, and I'll get into why. As humans, we want acceptance, but we also want to feel special. It's natural to search for truth and individualize one's own life experience. That's all this really is: individualizing your own experience to make yourself look or feel different from others. Quote: Androphilia: an attraction primarily toward men or masculine-inclined people. Oh really? This doesn't make you special, nor does it make you an "androphiliac." It makes you heterosexual if you're a woman and homosexual if you're a man. Wtf. Obviously sexuality is fluid, and a lot of people aren't 100% g or 100% straight, 100% male or 100% female; however, breaking this up into dozens of definitions to fit every single niche on the spectrums of sexuality, gender, and asexuality is ridiculous. I call myself bisexual because I like men and women. No, I am not 50/50 on the spectrum, and if I were to choose a label from this whacko list it would technically be something like demisexual aliquasexual borderline asexual cupio queer. We'd all be something totally whack if we went by these lists. People who feel the need to label themselves to the T are part of what's turned me away from the LGBT community. Not turned away as in no longer accepting--because obviously I am--but turned me away so far as I don't like to associate with people who feel the need to put their entire life stories on display to justify their uniqueness. We're all unique. None of us fit any particular sexuality exactly. Some of us love sex, some of us like it once a week, some of us don't like sex that much but do it for our partner, some of us absolutely hate sex. Some of us only like men, some of us only like women, some like both equally, some like both but one more than the other. Why does any of this matter so long as we're legally allowed to love who we love? There is no benefit to thinking like this unless it's a cry for attention, and I hate to say that. I really do. But I don't know how else to feel about it. I don't even know how to properly explain my dissatisfaction with the LGBTQ+ movement on Tumblr without sounding like an a*****. And this whole "If you won't date a trans-person you're transphobic" thing is an entirely separate issue, but it's so awful. I feel like the LGBT community is becoming hateful toward cis and straight people in so many ways, and it makes me sad to see it on Tumblr constantly. If you don't frequent Tumblr, you may have no idea what I'm talking about, but trust me when I say that it's bad. I'll try to find some Youtube videos later today so I can post them here, too. This is a bit of a rant because I've been thinking about it today. If you disagree, I totally respect that, and I respect anyone who identifies with these terms; however, I think that there are seriously flaws in this aspect of the LGBT community, and I'm willing to talk about it. EDIT: Now that I've typed all of this out and posted it, it may actually belong in DD. Sorry about that. People don't classify or group things just to promote or make those things special/unique. People classify and/or group things inorder to stay organized, compare and contrast, and it makes it easier for people to study and understand those things. So,basically, either you are saying you don't like Inheritance at all, in which case you are contradicting yourself because you accept and identify LGB. Or you are saying that I accept Inheritance but I reject Multiple and/or Hybrid Inheritance.



breaker335	Aug 16 2016, 11:59 PM Post #39
Posts: 879 Group: Member Member #13,278 Joined: June 5, 2016 Gender Male Country United States	No she's saying there's no reason to go into specifics like being a straight woman but only liking certain types of guys.



Wagwan	Aug 17 2016, 02:10 AM Post #40
Posts: 190 Group: Member Member #12,260 Joined: April 22, 2015	breaker335 Aug 16 2016, 11:59 PM No she's saying there's no reason to go into specifics like being a straight woman but only liking certain types of guys. isn't that why we have the term 'fetish'?



*Copy_Ninja*	Aug 17 2016, 03:08 AM Post #41
*Novacane for the pain* Posts: 8,033 Group: Guardian Member #6,499 Joined: July 18, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime Naruto, Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood, Hunter x Hunter (2011) What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Monster, One Piece, Naruto, Fullmetal Alchemist, Hunter X Hunter, Death Note, SnK	I don't really see much of an issue here if I'm honest. People can label themselves whatever they want, I couldn't really give a s***. Most of this stuff is pretty fringe ideology anyway. It's pervasive on tumblr and a few online communities but it's not exactly mainstream thinking even in the LGBT community. Most of this comes from teenagers who are still trying to find themselves and yes, maybe they want to feel a bit special and identify with something. There isn't really any harm in it as a concept and sexuality is pretty complicated to begin with so being more specific isn't necessarily a bad thing. Some of the more extremist 'anti straight, anti-cis' stuff is a bit more concerning but one doesn't necessarily lead to the other and that line of thinking is also a pretty fringe ideology too. It's a bit of a quirk of the internet that stuff like this can seem more common than it actually is because of how much you might see it online. More people seem to spend time complaining about this than it being an actual problem.
	We'll never be those kids again


~~Doggo Champion 2k17~~	Aug 17 2016, 04:08 AM Post #42
Posts: 7,931 Group: GTFO Member #6,380 Joined: June 20, 2011 Country United States Favourite Anime here comes What Browser do you use? o shit waddup! Favourite Manga dat boi	Quote: People don't classify or group things just to promote or make those things special/unique. People classify and/or group things inorder to stay organized, compare and contrast, and it makes it easier for people to study and understand those things. So,basically, either you are saying you don't like Inheritance at all, in which case you are contradicting yourself because you accept and identify LGB. Or you are saying that I accept Inheritance but I reject Multiple and/or Hybrid Inheritance. I suppose that depends on what you mean by "Inheritance." @Copy: I really don't have a problem with it either so long as it doesn't negatively impact the people who are out in the real world struggling against discrimination, fighting for their rights, etc. I feel like this Q+ movement (that's what I'm calling it here) is muddling the fight that's already taking place. "We don't just want acceptance for the LGBT community, we want you to call us xys, and if you don't, you're a transphobe." I guess what I'm trying to say but haven't outright stated is that this line of thinking usually coincides with the more negative side of the LGBT community, such as discrimination against heterosexuals and cis people. I could obviously be wrong since I do see most of this on tumblr and youtube, but if it's out there, it's out there, and it's damaging to the rest of the community IMO. I do know a few people irl who think like this. Not many, but a few. I have no problem with giving yourself a very specific term so long as it doesn't coincide with that negativity, although I see absolutely no point in it and agree with post-structuralism when it comes to the theory of abandoning labels almost completely. Labels are more divisive and alienating than anything else. I tried to compose my thoughts as eloquently as possible, but I'm sure I missed a lot and didn't clarify enough here and there. What's mulling about in my brain is hard to put into words sometimes. Edited by Doggo Champion 2k17, Aug 17 2016, 04:14 AM.



~~Groosebumps~~	Aug 17 2016, 07:09 AM Post #43
Posts: 167 Group: Banned Member #13,041 Joined: April 19, 2016	Gender Spectrum is a thing now? f*. Just when you think these f*s can't get anymore nutty. Tumblr is trash. Good for porn and gifs, nothing else. And for what it's worth, I'd never ever date someone who is transgender or transsexual. I like women, not men. I wouldn't consider this position to be "transphobic" though, since I'm not scared of them, I'm just not attracted to them.



Wagwan	Aug 17 2016, 07:30 AM Post #44
Posts: 190 Group: Member Member #12,260 Joined: April 22, 2015	I don't think it warrants being called an orientation, anything beyond gay/straight/bi seems superfluous



lazerbem	Aug 17 2016, 02:14 PM Post #45
Posts: 10,662 Group: Forum Moderator Member #10,435 Joined: November 1, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Asura's Wrath(it counts) What Browser do you use? Google Chrome	Latinx pisses me off. For those who aren't aware, Spanish is a gendered language. You say Latinos or Latinas. Some people on Tumblr took it upon themselves to come up with a gender neutral word for that, Latinx. It is incredibly stupid as it basically shows f*** all knowledge of Spanish and reeks of being come up with by some idiot who doesn't speak word of Spanish. Seriously, it's impossible to have a gender neutral word in Spanish, trying to make one up will just make it a male word by default
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