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Tumblr Queers are Ruining the LGBT Movement
Tweet Topic Started: Aug 16 2016, 03:50 PM (2,587 Views)
Wagwan	Aug 16 2016, 06:13 PM Post #16
Posts: 190 Group: Member Member #12,260 Joined: April 22, 2015	less blurry pic



* Mitas	Aug 16 2016, 06:25 PM Post #17
It truly was a Shawshank redemption Posts: 12,129 Group: Retired Staff Member #2,993 Joined: December 16, 2007 Gender Male Favourite Anime DBZ What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga DBZ, Full Metal Alchemist	Yeah, I don't really understand all the in-depth labelling. For me, you either like men, women, both, or none. Obviously your preference is more of a spectrum than 100% either way, or 50/50, but those four categories cover everybody. Like people have said earlier, the only thing trying to further distinguish yourself from those four groups does is make you 'different' and 'unique', which is unnecessary; sexuality doesn't define who you are, it's just who you find attractive. Regarding the transgender thing, that's a little murky. I would say that immediately ruling out transgender people because they're transgender is transphobic. For example, if you see a transgendered person and think they are attractive, then immediately dismiss that when you find out that they were born a different gender, then you're being discriminatory; you've already found them attractive, so what's the problem? I don't really buy the 'it's taking on something different than if they weren't transgender'. Sure, that's true, but is it any different to anyone else? Lots of people have sexual issues, lots of people have baggage in the form of past history or mental issues, you'd be hard pressed to find someone who doesn't. All that being said, I do understand people not being able to wrap their heads around it since I personally probably wouldn't be able to do so in a relationship, even if I dislike feeling that way because there are transgender people in my life.
	"Then you've got the chance to do better next time." "Next time?" "Course. Doing better next time. That's what life is."


~~Doggo Champion 2k17~~	Aug 16 2016, 06:45 PM Post #18
Posts: 7,931 Group: GTFO Member #6,380 Joined: June 20, 2011 Country United States Favourite Anime here comes What Browser do you use? o shit waddup! Favourite Manga dat boi	Quote: Regarding the transgender thing, that's a little murky. I would say that immediately ruling out transgender people because they're transgender is transphobic. For example, if you see a transgendered person and think they are attractive, then immediately dismiss that when you find out that they were born a different gender, then you're being discriminatory; you've already found them attractive, so what's the problem? I don't really buy the 'it's taking on something different than if they weren't transgender'. Sure, that's true, but is it any different to anyone else? Lots of people have sexual issues, lots of people have baggage in the form of past history or mental issues, you'd be hard pressed to find someone who doesn't. All that being said, I do understand people not being able to wrap their heads around it since I personally probably wouldn't be able to do so in a relationship, even if I dislike feeling that way because there are transgender people in my life. Generally it's because heterosexual men like vaginas and heterosexual women like dick. If a heterosexual man found a woman attractive but later found out she had a dick, I don't think that would be discrimination if they had planned on pursuing a sexual relationship. A heterosexual man can't force himself to like dick just because he's attracted to the woman. That's in reference to transgender people, not transsexuals, as many transpeople don't actually transition downstairs. Edited by Doggo Champion 2k17, Aug 16 2016, 06:47 PM.



Buuberries	Aug 16 2016, 06:51 PM Post #19
No Posts: 7,150 Group: Members Member #8,753 Joined: December 30, 2012 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime The Passion of Christ What Browser do you use? Christianity Favourite Manga The Bible	what do you guys actually have an issue with? the fact thhat there are a billion and one labels or that ppl just try to sound unique? cuz if we're talking about a spectrum then it makes a lot of sense to me that there are going to be more than a billion and one ways someone. like i understand the annoyance you guys are talking about, but as far as i know most of you have said on previous threads that you think sexuality is a spectrum, so finding it "ridiculous" that there are so many labels is contradictory of that. edit: if you're able to say that sexuality can be categorised into four categories, then surely that isnt a continuous spectrum?? edit2: im not disputing anything (although i may start to dispute logic if i cant make sense of some things). im just querying what people have said on previous threads. Edited by Buuberries, Aug 16 2016, 06:54 PM.
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~~Doggo Champion 2k17~~	Aug 16 2016, 06:54 PM Post #20
Posts: 7,931 Group: GTFO Member #6,380 Joined: June 20, 2011 Country United States Favourite Anime here comes What Browser do you use? o shit waddup! Favourite Manga dat boi	Sexuality is a spectrum, but a lot of people don't seem to understand what bisexuality means. It isn't necessarily 50/50; it just means that you like both genders. That encompasses probably three quarters of the terms on those lists. However, people avoid the term bisexual because they want to make their position on the spectrum known for the sake of uniqueness.



Buuberries	Aug 16 2016, 06:56 PM Post #21
No Posts: 7,150 Group: Members Member #8,753 Joined: December 30, 2012 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime The Passion of Christ What Browser do you use? Christianity Favourite Manga The Bible	but i'm looking at some of these other sexualities i've never heard of before and they dont fit under bisexuality. edit: or it further elaborates what they experience much better than the term "bisexual" Edited by Buuberries, Aug 16 2016, 06:57 PM.
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~~Doggo Champion 2k17~~	Aug 16 2016, 06:58 PM Post #22
Posts: 7,931 Group: GTFO Member #6,380 Joined: June 20, 2011 Country United States Favourite Anime here comes What Browser do you use? o shit waddup! Favourite Manga dat boi	Give me some examples and I can probably explain why I have a problem with them. For example, many of them are varying degrees of asexuality or gender identity. As for the terms related to the asexuality spectrum, no one really needs to know how often you have sex, how you feel about sex, or what kind of sex you're interested in having. Every single person has a different position on the asexuality spectrum; there's no need for dozens of terms. In regards to gender identity, "non-binary" or "gender fluid" encompass every single one of them.



Wagwan	Aug 16 2016, 07:04 PM Post #23
Posts: 190 Group: Member Member #12,260 Joined: April 22, 2015	nah buubs I think you hit it on the head that spectrum is bulls* and I'll tell ya why ya got 3 options: c, clam and an empty plate which is the absence of c and clam which means you got 2^2 options which makes a nice little punnett square of sexual orientations c* & nothing clam & nothin c* & clam nothin & nothin no in-between, even if ya like ya neighbors dog that'll do anything for a spoonful of cottage cheese and (I mean anything) 10 times outta 10 that dog is male or female no matter what its half-shaven-head owner with bleached-hair and black lipstick tells you the dog self-identifies as and don't discredit me for writing that in an accent I'm watching a movie and can't help it, I am serious even though it's funny Edited by Wagwan**, Aug 16 2016, 07:06 PM.



Buuberries	Aug 16 2016, 07:08 PM Post #24
No Posts: 7,150 Group: Members Member #8,753 Joined: December 30, 2012 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime The Passion of Christ What Browser do you use? Christianity Favourite Manga The Bible	this is like the atheist debate we had a while ago (when common2 and i were debating against the majority of atheists that agnostic atheism is distinct from other terms). i'm a fan of being specific, so i like the concept of being able to elaborate and distinguish more areas of the spectrum if it actually is a spectrum. the ones i see mentioned that are actually based on orientation make a lot of sense to me and there are definitely more than four since they take into consideration gender identity and not just sexual orientation. the ones based on s* like "only being attracted to people who are menstruating" might be the ones you guys are referring to so in that case i'm in agreement. Quote: In regards to gender identity, "non-binary" or "gender fluid" encompass every single one of them. based on that first list gender fluid refers to something more specific and doesnt sound like something that can be used as an umbrella term Edited by Buuberries**, Aug 16 2016, 07:10 PM.
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~~Doggo Champion 2k17~~	Aug 16 2016, 07:13 PM Post #25
Posts: 7,931 Group: GTFO Member #6,380 Joined: June 20, 2011 Country United States Favourite Anime here comes What Browser do you use? o shit waddup! Favourite Manga dat boi	I even take issue with the more common ones like demisexual. I used to partially identify as demisexual because according to the definition that's what I am. Once I realized, though, that the term probably encompassed millions--and that just because I felt that way didn't make it some special thing--I stopped using it. I'm demisexual, as in I don't feel any sexual attraction unless I already love the person, I sexually prefer women, and I don't really care about sex at all except for once in a blue moon, but do I really need terminology for all of that? When it comes down to it, I'm bisexual--plain and simple. Sure, I have quirks in my sexuality that may distinguish me from others, but why should anyone feel the need to compose terms to describe their identity to a T? It's for the sake of feeling special, or for needing to justify exactly how you feel about every aspect of your sexuality to random strangers. I just don't feel like labels are necessary at all tbh, and that makes me a bit of a post-structuralist (hehe, label irony). Gender-fluid means that you don't identify with either gender; rather, you take on different gendered characteristics at random and shift between the two ends of the spectrum. Edited by Doggo Champion 2k17, Aug 16 2016, 07:14 PM.



Buuberries	Aug 16 2016, 07:32 PM Post #26
No Posts: 7,150 Group: Members Member #8,753 Joined: December 30, 2012 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime The Passion of Christ What Browser do you use? Christianity Favourite Manga The Bible	you're going to have to give a source for your point that people only give these labels to themselves as a way to feel special. i mean imagine applying that to everything. e.g., get rid of terms such as christian, muslim, buddhist (buudist), etc., cuz theyre all just different religions but are still religions, so people should just say theyre religious. the terms give distinction not to feel special but bc they describe something different. people going on about things to feel special is something completely different. im looking at the list and i think they use genderqueer as the umbrella term. tl;dr im in half agreement now. some of the terms are redundant but some of them, at least in my opinion, elaborate on things a bit more. whether those terms exist just bc people want to feel special is debatable, though.
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* Mitas	Aug 16 2016, 07:37 PM Post #27
It truly was a Shawshank redemption Posts: 12,129 Group: Retired Staff Member #2,993 Joined: December 16, 2007 Gender Male Favourite Anime DBZ What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga DBZ, Full Metal Alchemist	Buuberries Aug 16 2016, 06:51 PM edit: if you're able to say that sexuality can be categorised into four categories, then surely that isnt a continuous spectrum?? What I meant by that is that bisexual encompasses everywhere on the spectrum in between heterosexual and homosexual. There may be varying levels of interest in each, but if you are open to a relationship with either sex and find either sex attractive, then you are bisexual, regardless of whether you prefer one over the other. If you are only open to relationships and are only attracted to one sex, then you are either hetero- or homosexual. I'm not saying that the labelling isn't possible, I just said I don't understand/see the point in it (although I will admit that part of the reason I don't see the point in it is because I just don't think sexual orientation is the least bit important, it's just who you're attracted to).
	"Then you've got the chance to do better next time." "Next time?" "Course. Doing better next time. That's what life is."


~~Doggo Champion 2k17~~	Aug 16 2016, 07:44 PM Post #28
Posts: 7,931 Group: GTFO Member #6,380 Joined: June 20, 2011 Country United States Favourite Anime here comes What Browser do you use? o shit waddup! Favourite Manga dat boi	Quote: you're going to have to give a source for your point that people only give these labels to themselves as a way to feel special. tumblr is cancerous, but if you want to see how crazy people can get about sexuality, you can check there. Other than that, I can't say much else since this was mostly just conjecture and my own personal opinion to begin with. Genderqueer is an umbrella term in the same way that queer is an umbrella term for anything other than heterosexual. I don't care about labels at all, nor do I think that they should really exist. I'm with Mitas in that I don't think sexuality is important. You love who you love, and you sleep with who you sleep with. When people ask, I say that I'm bisexual, but they usually don't ask. I don't ever mention it otherwise. Edited by Doggo Champion 2k17, Aug 16 2016, 07:46 PM.



Buuberries	Aug 16 2016, 07:45 PM Post #29
No Posts: 7,150 Group: Members Member #8,753 Joined: December 30, 2012 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime The Passion of Christ What Browser do you use? Christianity Favourite Manga The Bible	i can see your points and generally agree, but im just finicky and like specific terms in order to make a distinction between things that are sort of similar but arent quite the same. i mean to me demisexual and bisexual arent the same the way ofg described in her example because, based on the meanings im reading on these websites listed on the OP, a heterosexual would be capable of also being a demisexual. but then i start to agree more bc in a way that's starting to leave the realm of sexuality and is starting to describe something else. basically the more i think about it the more confused im getting. edit: leave the realm of orientation, not sexuality. mb Edited by Buuberries, Aug 16 2016, 07:47 PM.
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* Mitas	Aug 16 2016, 07:48 PM Post #30
It truly was a Shawshank redemption Posts: 12,129 Group: Retired Staff Member #2,993 Joined: December 16, 2007 Gender Male Favourite Anime DBZ What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga DBZ, Full Metal Alchemist	Also, forgot to reply to this: Quote: Generally it's because heterosexual men like vaginas and heterosexual women like dick. If a heterosexual man found a woman attractive but later found out she had a dick, I don't think that would be discrimination if they had planned on pursuing a sexual relationship. A heterosexual man can't force himself to like dick just because he's attracted to the woman. That's in reference to transgender people, not transsexuals, as many transpeople don't actually transition downstairs. I was talking about transgender people who had fully undergone the transition. Obviously if the transgender person still has a penis or vagina and that's not your thing, I don't really see how anyone can have an issue with somebody not being on board with that. Doesn't make them any less a man or woman (at least on the inside), it just means you aren't attracted to their body.
	"Then you've got the chance to do better next time." "Next time?" "Course. Doing better next time. That's what life is."


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