Is homosexuality a choice or genetics?

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Is homosexuality a choice or genetics?
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~~Doggo Champion 2k17~~	Aug 16 2016, 02:37 PM Post #46
Posts: 7,931 Group: GTFO Member #6,380 Joined: June 20, 2011 Country United States Favourite Anime here comes What Browser do you use? o shit waddup! Favourite Manga dat boi	I've always lean more toward hormonal development than genetics anyway. It has something to do with testosterone and estrogen. There are studies out there, some of which observe identical twins, but it would probably take a while for me to dig them up again.



Wagwan	Aug 16 2016, 02:41 PM Post #47
Posts: 190 Group: Member Member #12,260 Joined: April 22, 2015	Well I believe it if you do and it's not some random false memory of mine until I come across news on it, it was a really good explanation and at the time I was familiar with this stuff bc AP anatomy but it's been aaaages since so hopefully someone has info on that bc I thought it was rly cool moreover I finished the other articles and their links, they typically agree with what buubs was vaguely remembering about epigenetics



~~Helvius Pertinax Augustus~~	Aug 16 2016, 03:17 PM Post #48
What will you do when you get old? Posts: 1,096 Group: Suspended Member #12,915 Joined: February 8, 2016 Gender Not Specified Country United States Favourite Anime Don't actually watch anime What Browser do you use? Internet Explorer Favourite Manga Don't read manga	So I get the whole genetic theory of homosexuality, but those claiming it could be part of social influence, wouldn't that essentially boil down to a choice? Peer pressure and how you react to it is your choice and your choice alone. Edited by Helvius Pertinax Augustus, Aug 16 2016, 03:17 PM.



* Yu Narukami	Aug 16 2016, 03:19 PM Post #49
Izanagi! Posts: 12,330 Group: Retired Staff Member #6,446 Joined: July 3, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country None	Jar-Jar Binks Aug 16 2016, 03:17 PM So I get the whole genetic theory of homosexuality, but those claiming it could be part of social influence, wouldn't that essentially boil down to a choice? Peer pressure and how you react to it is your choice and your choice alone. Not really. It's impossible to say how big an influence society has on a person, but not all of it is conscious, as you're implying. Social influence doesn't boil down to things like 'peer pressure', it covers how society has an influence on every aspect of our life, and the fact that it has an influence from when we're born to the day we die.



Tinny	Aug 16 2016, 03:24 PM Post #50
Posts: 6,060 Group: Super Moderator Member #12,355 Joined: May 24, 2015 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime Silver Spoon, Fate/Zero, Legend of Galactic Heroes, Space Patrol Luluco, Psycho-pass, Miss Kobayashi What Browser do you use? Chrome, Edge Favourite Manga Wizard's Soul ~Holy War of Love~	If it were stuff like peer pressure, I don't think homosexuals would actually exist, because where would such a thing not only be expected but encouraged?
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Wagwan	Aug 16 2016, 03:28 PM Post #51
Posts: 190 Group: Member Member #12,260 Joined: April 22, 2015	motherly do you mean like sycophantic choices?



~~Helvius Pertinax Augustus~~	Aug 16 2016, 03:34 PM Post #52
What will you do when you get old? Posts: 1,096 Group: Suspended Member #12,915 Joined: February 8, 2016 Gender Not Specified Country United States Favourite Anime Don't actually watch anime What Browser do you use? Internet Explorer Favourite Manga Don't read manga	Well, I understand that the factors that go in to social pressure are all encompassing, but it still boils down to peer pressure. There's no environmental factors that contribute to someone being homosexual, the factors are all human, your peers. The media, your religion, who you were raised with, how you were educated, the laws in your country, and even articles published on the internet all influence you to lean one way or the other. Whether or not you decide to follow what they are telling you is your own personal choice. Again I just want to clarify this isn't about the genetic part, but the social aspect in case some people misread my first post.



+ Sandy Shore	Aug 16 2016, 03:34 PM Post #53
Posts: 1,860 Group: Elite Member Member #12,337 Joined: May 18, 2015	Jar-Jar Binks Aug 16 2016, 03:17 PM So I get the whole genetic theory of homosexuality, but those claiming it could be part of social influence, wouldn't that essentially boil down to a choice? Peer pressure and how you react to it is your choice and your choice alone. You can choose whether you partake in homosexual acts, sure, but you can't choose whether you want to partake in them anymore than you can choose to stop liking guns and start liking Hillary Clinton. There are reasons for your feelings on these things, and they're feelings that you yourself haven't constructed. In order to do so you would need to be the author of yourself, which you're not. I am, but you're not.



~~Helvius Pertinax Augustus~~	Aug 16 2016, 03:43 PM Post #54
What will you do when you get old? Posts: 1,096 Group: Suspended Member #12,915 Joined: February 8, 2016 Gender Not Specified Country United States Favourite Anime Don't actually watch anime What Browser do you use? Internet Explorer Favourite Manga Don't read manga	Lazuli Aug 16 2016, 03:34 PM Jar-Jar Binks Aug 16 2016, 03:17 PM So I get the whole genetic theory of homosexuality, but those claiming it could be part of social influence, wouldn't that essentially boil down to a choice? Peer pressure and how you react to it is your choice and your choice alone. You can choose whether you partake in homosexual acts, sure, but you can't choose whether you want to partake in them anymore than you can choose to stop liking guns and start liking Hillary Clinton. There are reasons for your feelings on these things, and they're feelings that you yourself haven't constructed. In order to do so you would need to be the author of yourself, which you're not. I am, but you're not. If you didn't want to do homosexual acts, why would you? Unless you're being forced to do so, which I would consider rape and not a homosexual act, then there's no reason to choose to do so when you're not homosexual, unless as Clank said, you're a sycophant looking for a leg up, and even then it'd still be your choice. I get what you're saying with the guns and Hillary Clinton but I'd likely get banned for my true feelings on them, both from here and on the other site so that's why I've never elaborated on it much beyond the general viewpoint for people who share that stance.



Wagwan	Aug 16 2016, 03:44 PM Post #55
Posts: 190 Group: Member Member #12,260 Joined: April 22, 2015	I see so you think it works like a belief system, you take in all this info and decide what you're most comfortable with The way ppl aren't comfortable with vaccines sometimes because of all the stuff they choose to believe to suite whatever their needs are I guess someone can have a victim complex and choose to be gay (perhaps among other things like nazism, satanism and polygamy) because it fits the identity they want, one that is under a lot of scrutiny and criticism because they only feel comfortable when in that position. Sounds like a perfect analog to people that are infatuated with their first girlfriend, they become in love with the idea of being w/ some1 and not the actual person themselve but are nonetheless experience being in love makes sense



Buuberries	Aug 16 2016, 03:48 PM Post #56
No Posts: 7,150 Group: Members Member #8,753 Joined: December 30, 2012 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime The Passion of Christ What Browser do you use? Christianity Favourite Manga The Bible	Jar-Jar Binks Aug 16 2016, 03:34 PM There's no environmental factors that contribute to someone being homosexual, the factors are all human, your peers. there are studies to support environmental factors (i.e., epigenetics which is about gene expression based on environmental factors). there are no studies that conclude that latter claim as far as im aware
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~~Doggo Champion 2k17~~	Aug 16 2016, 03:55 PM Post #57
Posts: 7,931 Group: GTFO Member #6,380 Joined: June 20, 2011 Country United States Favourite Anime here comes What Browser do you use? o shit waddup! Favourite Manga dat boi	Jar-Jar Binks Aug 16 2016, 03:43 PM Lazuli Aug 16 2016, 03:34 PM Jar-Jar Binks Aug 16 2016, 03:17 PM So I get the whole genetic theory of homosexuality, but those claiming it could be part of social influence, wouldn't that essentially boil down to a choice? Peer pressure and how you react to it is your choice and your choice alone. You can choose whether you partake in homosexual acts, sure, but you can't choose whether you want to partake in them anymore than you can choose to stop liking guns and start liking Hillary Clinton. There are reasons for your feelings on these things, and they're feelings that you yourself haven't constructed. In order to do so you would need to be the author of yourself, which you're not. I am, but you're not. If you didn't want to do homosexual acts, why would you? Unless you're being forced to do so, which I would consider rape and not a homosexual act, then there's no reason to choose to do so when you're not homosexual, unless as Clank said, you're a sycophant looking for a leg up, and even then it'd still be your choice. I get what you're saying with the guns and Hillary Clinton but I'd likely get banned for my true feelings on them, both from here and on the other site so that's why I've never elaborated on it much beyond the general viewpoint for people who share that stance. I had sex with guys even though I wasn't attracted to them.



Wagwan	Aug 16 2016, 04:03 PM Post #58
Posts: 190 Group: Member Member #12,260 Joined: April 22, 2015	I've had sex with both even tho I wasn't attracted to them check m8 ofg



~~Doggo Champion 2k17~~	Aug 16 2016, 04:03 PM Post #59
Posts: 7,931 Group: GTFO Member #6,380 Joined: June 20, 2011 Country United States Favourite Anime here comes What Browser do you use? o shit waddup! Favourite Manga dat boi	Can't say I've ever really been that attracted to anyone. Checkmate again.



+ Sandy Shore	Aug 16 2016, 04:03 PM Post #60
Posts: 1,860 Group: Elite Member Member #12,337 Joined: May 18, 2015	Jar-Jar Binks Aug 16 2016, 03:43 PM If you didn't want to do homosexual acts, why would you? Unless you're being forced to do so, which I would consider rape and not a homosexual act, then there's no reason to choose to do so when you're not homosexual, unless as Clank said, you're a sycophant looking for a leg up, and even then it'd still be your choice. You don't have to directly desire something yourself to choose to do it, you can desire other things that entail that act. Someone might partake in a homosexual act, despite not wanting to, because it pays well; or because someone asked them ever so nicely, and they liked them enough to do it. The desire—whatever sort of desire that be—precedes the action, but where that desire comes from isn't something you can will yourself to have. People that genuinely desire another person of the same sex aren't choosing to desire that any more than you choose to like guns, or a person of the opposite sex. That is, you're not choosing to. Clank: you could choose to pretend to be gay, absolutely—the corollary of which is pretending you're not, of course—but you can't choose whether you're actually attracted to people of the same sex any more than you could choose to like Runescape. Edited by Sandy Shore, Aug 16 2016, 04:04 PM.



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