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What if the whole dbz universe went against beerus?; What would be they best bet in stoping him?
Topic Started: Aug 12 2016, 03:12 PM (878 Views)
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Aug 12 2016, 07:20 PM
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I forgot about that time freeze stuff, but if the gap's big enough will the effects not effect the victim? Gohan and Krillin on Namek were like 10k? Surely Guldo wasn't as weak as to not be at least in late thousands.

Its not a morality thing with Beerus, he seems evil or whatever because of his position. You'll be spared (a form of mercy but it's irrelevant) if you can concede to his demands. Beerus is simply indifferent to things not important to a God such as maintaining balance by destroying every now and then. The main reason he's not vulnerable is cause of his divinity status, nothing more or less.
Nothing says it won't, it just freezes time, it's not like Hit's time skip in that it was overpowered and overcome by sheer power. I doubt we'll get an absolute yes or no answer to this however as the creators of Super likely don't care about Guldo and his time stop enough to feature it, and I doubt anyone even remembers him anyways.

If he blew them up like Freeza I wouldn't be calling him evil because, you know, it's his job. And they did, and he still killed them, don't you remember episode 2? That's exactly what happened and he didn't care. If he was maintaining balance I'd imagine the Elder Kai wouldn't be saying that was destroying far too many far too quickly, so no he's not maintaining balance, he's upsetting it until BoG, after which he's neglecting it, as the U6 arc confirmed. There is nothing lending itself to that except your own ideas, and as such I'm not gonna bother to debate that point, since it's entirely built on headcanon. Can't really do anything but disagree on that idea, especially since the devilmite beam was never used on divine people like Kami.
Didn't he mention the guys tried to poison him or something was too greasy? What kinda high figure would take something that's not elegant and fine to perfection and settle for that when you legitimately bargained for them to spare their world? If he's doing it quickly that just means he's doing his job much faster then usually not overly destroying everything (as we see galaxies and other interstellar objects). In Xenoverse, he couldn't be controlled due to him being a godly figure so that's why I don't think Devilman's Devilmite Beam won't work.
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I forgot about that time freeze stuff, but if the gap's big enough will the effects not effect the victim? Gohan and Krillin on Namek were like 10k? Surely Guldo wasn't as weak as to not be at least in late thousands.

Its not a morality thing with Beerus, he seems evil or whatever because of his position. You'll be spared (a form of mercy but it's irrelevant) if you can concede to his demands. Beerus is simply indifferent to things not important to a God such as maintaining balance by destroying every now and then. The main reason he's not vulnerable is cause of his divinity status, nothing more or less.
Nothing says it won't, it just freezes time, it's not like Hit's time skip in that it was overpowered and overcome by sheer power. I doubt we'll get an absolute yes or no answer to this however as the creators of Super likely don't care about Guldo and his time stop enough to feature it, and I doubt anyone even remembers him anyways.

If he blew them up like Freeza I wouldn't be calling him evil because, you know, it's his job. And they did, and he still killed them, don't you remember episode 2? That's exactly what happened and he didn't care. If he was maintaining balance I'd imagine the Elder Kai wouldn't be saying that was destroying far too many far too quickly, so no he's not maintaining balance, he's upsetting it until BoG, after which he's neglecting it, as the U6 arc confirmed. There is nothing lending itself to that except your own ideas, and as such I'm not gonna bother to debate that point, since it's entirely built on headcanon. Can't really do anything but disagree on that idea, especially since the devilmite beam was never used on divine people like Kami.
Didn't he mention the guys tried to poison him or something was too greasy? What kinda high figure would take something that's not elegant and fine to perfection and settle for that when you legitimately bargained for them to spare their world? If he's doing it quickly that just means he's doing his job much faster then usually not overly destroying everything (as we see galaxies and other interstellar objects). In Xenoverse, he couldn't be controlled due to him being a godly figure so that's why I don't think Devilman's Devilmite Beam won't work.
Poison was the manga, and the grease was something that happened with pizza as well, but Earth is fine though isn't it? He said he liked it, and still destroyed the planet, he also liked the pizza, he liked just about everything Earth has given him, and even if none of that was true, he's still extorting worlds with the promise that he won't do his job if they bribe him, and then killing them anyway, how is this not evil? If he was just doing his job I doubt the Elder Kai would say that Beerus was practically going on a rampage far beyond what his job requires of him, saying that he's destroyed far more planets than he should be doing. Unless you're trying to tell me the Elder Kai is a completely unreliable source of information and that King Kai is for more wise than he, I don't see why we should discount him, and once again, he's stated to be lazy in the U6 arc, sleeps around allot, extorts planets for what he's interested in and destroys those that don't interest him, and has clear sadistic tenancies like in scaring Vegeta for no reason. Xenoverse is as canon as the broly movies are at the best of times, but even if it wasn't for the movies, it still wouldn't be canon because of Future Trunks playing a very large part in this story, where as in DBS he's been dealing with Black, iirc Future Trunks here couldn't go ssj2 either. Nothing about Xenoverse connects even slightly to DBS aside from BoG and FnF, which are the movies, and not the anime or manga.

And just to be sure, is anyone claiming that Beerus is as pure as Baba saga Kid Goku right anymore right?
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Grease being an issue with the other world because it was too greasy, the pizza was and is a tasty food. I thought he destroyed half the planet? He's bargaining with them, I don't recall him going back on his offers to spare the planets he was going to destroy, besides the universe is a big place and he destroys according to his judgment so regardless to what Elder Kaioshin think, doesn't impact Beerus's performance. Okay? Xemoverse is still a place where I can cite an ability of his, besides there's no official canon so I can use what I want from the Dragon Ball franchise and give that to him.
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Grease being an issue with the other world because it was too greasy, the pizza was and is a tasty food. I thought he destroyed half the planet? He's bargaining with them, I don't recall him going back on his offers to spare the planets he was going to destroy, besides the universe is a big place and he destroys according to his judgment so regardless to what Elder Kaioshin think, doesn't impact Beerus's performance. Okay? Xemoverse is still a place where I can cite an ability of his, besides there's no official canon so I can use what I want from the Dragon Ball franchise and give that to him.
Except he liked both foods in question. Again, episode 2 clearly has this. So basically he killed a bunch of people because they did what he wanted? So basically a policeman not doing his job because you bribed him is pure? This is a deal and bargain the same way the mob offers "protection" or the way a policeman says he won't arrest you if you give him a little extra on the side. Then you're outright ignoring sources on this, if you want to make the Elder Kai into an ignorant shortsided man then fine, but that's not what I've been getting from him. Wasn't part of your argument being that Beerus was more pure hearted than the men who can fly the nimbus and around the pure hearted level of kid Goku? What about Beerus makes you think he's pure in any way? Because if we do that than we Kid Buu being stronger than Ultkmate Gohan while Broly plays around with post God Goku's corpse because he's the legendary super saiyan, but don't forget that Great Ape Bardock can also do battle with Broly. Xenoverse isn't a great source on Dragon Ball canon, you can use it, but that's like using a movie, or the Z anime, not everyone is gonna accept evidence from DBH or DBX.
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No he complained that it was greasy, if he liked it then it's to a lesser extent then the Pizza. First off you can't compare no cop (who's bound by laws made by humans) to a god (he's only submissive to Zeno and uses his own reasoning to do what he has to. I never said Beerus was pure of heart, I said he's not effected by Devilmite Beam cause he's a god and shouldn't be able to be corrupted unless he was born from the tree all Kaios or Kaioshins are born and turned into a Makaioshin which Beerus isn't. It's still a valuable source though, its canon for me and like you said not everyone will agree but that works both ways and neither side will be wrong nor right totally.
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