Frustrating thing about 'Mystic' Gohan

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Frustrating thing about 'Mystic' Gohan
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superperfectnerd	Aug 12 2016, 02:08 AM Post #1
Posts: 3,709 Group: Member Member #11,519 Joined: July 15, 2014	I understand Gohan had more hidden potential than others and that's what makes him so strong after the ritual but 'mystic' isn't his transformation, it's just all of his potential power attained in his base form. So, after Boo is killed, why doesn't Goku or anyone else go under the ritual too? I get that it wouldn't make Goku stronger than Gohan, not even close but surely having all of his ssj3 power in base would be useful for Goku, considering how draining ssj3 was in a living body. I see no reason why every saiyan couldn't become 'mystic' like Gohan. Maybe there was no time to undergo the ritual whilst Boo was recklessly jumping from planet to planet but afterwards? Why not? It maybe part of the problem with Gohan becoming less relevant because they put all his power in base and then he has no transformation scenes like anyone else and there's no easy visual way to show his progress so in both GT and Super he's suddenly using ssj again and no explanation is given, because otherwise everyone should be using the ritual and ssj2 and 3 woudn't be utilised anymore and it would make it boring. Like Goku not being able to stay in ssj3 in GT...do the ritual then, you'll have all the power in base and then Goku could also use kaioken on top of that again. Edited by superperfectnerd, Aug 12 2016, 02:10 AM.



Slifer	Aug 12 2016, 02:11 AM Post #2
Posts: 3,488 Group: Member Member #10,141 Joined: September 7, 2013	Goku and Vegeta wouldn't do it because of their pride. It'd be like cheating in their eyes.



superperfectnerd	Aug 12 2016, 02:13 AM Post #3
Posts: 3,709 Group: Member Member #11,519 Joined: July 15, 2014	Mr. Hashbrowns Aug 12 2016, 02:11 AM Goku and Vegeta wouldn't do it because of their pride. It'd be like cheating in their eyes. I agree that's one explanation and a good one but not even a last resort? It would have helped Goku against Bebi before ssj4 happened luckily. Edit: and 'Mystic Gotenks' > 'Mystic' Gohan probably Edited by superperfectnerd, Aug 12 2016, 02:14 AM.



+ Pyrus	Aug 12 2016, 02:25 AM Post #4
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	I don't think they had time for Elder Kaioshin's ritual in the case of Baby. The training with the tail pulling was the quicker result if I remember correctly. Also, yeah, pride is the factor holding Goku and Vegeta back from utilizing the old guy. It's why people are dumbos for asking why they wouldn't do it for a quick and easy power boost if it was so great...like, do you even pay attention to their characters? Shh.
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+ ThePrinceOfSaiyans	Aug 12 2016, 02:28 AM Post #5
魔王子 Posts: 9,797 Group: Elite Member Member #10,492 Joined: November 16, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	The most frustrating thing about Mystic Gohan is that f***in' name. It's Ultimate Gohan dammit! Mystic sounds dumb IMO.
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superperfectnerd	Aug 12 2016, 02:48 AM Post #6
Posts: 3,709 Group: Member Member #11,519 Joined: July 15, 2014	Isn't kaioken like cheating then? It's a technique anyone else could learn but Goku is using it against opponents who never had the chance to. Not everyone will get the chance to use the ritual just like not everyone gets to learn kaioken. Edit: Plus the ritual only took so long for Gohan because of his massive potential and Bebi was just sitting on his new planet amongst his slaves, there was no rush to fight him, he wasn't going anywhere. Double edit: Also, doesn't explain why Goten, Trunks or even Piccolo haven't used it. Edited by superperfectnerd, Aug 12 2016, 02:51 AM.



breaker335	Aug 12 2016, 02:57 AM Post #7
Posts: 879 Group: Member Member #13,278 Joined: June 5, 2016 Gender Male Country United States	superperfectnerd Aug 12 2016, 02:48 AM Isn't kaioken like cheating then? It's a technique anyone else could learn but Goku is using it against opponents who never had the chance to. Not everyone will get the chance to use the ritual just like not everyone gets to learn kaioken. Edit: Plus the ritual only took so long for Gohan because of his massive potential and Bebi was just sitting on his new planet amongst his slaves, there was no rush to fight him, he wasn't going anywhere. Double edit: Also, doesn't explain why Goten, Trunks or even Piccolo haven't used it. Difference is Goku had all the time he needed to actually learn the move. It's an advantage he had to work to gain. Same could be said about SSJ. Edited by breaker335, Aug 12 2016, 02:58 AM.



superperfectnerd	Aug 12 2016, 03:06 AM Post #8
Posts: 3,709 Group: Member Member #11,519 Joined: July 15, 2014	It's an extreme advantage though. Any fighter can push themselves harder, find a teacher, learn and create their own techniques and styles but kaioken can multiply Goku's power by 20 from what we've seen and it's not a race specific transformation like ssj. Ginyu could never be a ssj but he could have kicked Goku's arse with kaioken. Edit: Body swap aside obvs. Edited by superperfectnerd, Aug 12 2016, 03:07 AM.



breaker335	Aug 12 2016, 03:20 AM Post #9
Posts: 879 Group: Member Member #13,278 Joined: June 5, 2016 Gender Male Country United States	Thing is, it comes with a great risk. It's basically a double-edged sword and why Goku stopped using it until Super. Edited by breaker335, Aug 12 2016, 03:20 AM.



StrenuousSpider	Aug 12 2016, 03:29 AM Post #10
Posts: 2,085 Group: Member Member #13,372 Joined: July 11, 2016 Gender Male Country United States	superperfectnerd Aug 12 2016, 02:13 AM Mr. Hashbrowns Aug 12 2016, 02:11 AM Goku and Vegeta wouldn't do it because of their pride. It'd be like cheating in their eyes. I agree that's one explanation and a good one but not even a last resort? It would have helped Goku against Bebi before ssj4 happened luckily. Edit: and 'Mystic Gotenks' > 'Mystic' Gohan probably Mystic gotenks >>>>>> Mystic gohan. I have goten and trunk potential close to gohans. so it would be like fusing Two gohans lol. A theoretical Mystic Gotenks should be far ahead of vegito.



StrenuousSpider	Aug 12 2016, 03:33 AM Post #11
Posts: 2,085 Group: Member Member #13,372 Joined: July 11, 2016 Gender Male Country United States	My reasoning for him having ssj in Super is I don't think its a permanent boost in power. and GT said that he learned how to go ssj again I believe.



Darker	Aug 12 2016, 08:39 PM Post #12
The Lord of the Dark Posts: 15,357 Group: Member Member #11,968 Joined: January 7, 2015 Gender Male Country Spain	ThePrinceOfSaiyajins Aug 12 2016, 02:28 AM The most frustrating thing about Mystic Gohan is that f***in' name. It's Ultimate Gohan dammit! Mystic sounds dumb IMO. Yes, because Ultimate Gohan doesn't sound dumb, right? Or just about any name in DBZ, eh?
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The_Authority	Aug 13 2016, 03:57 PM Post #13
Posts: 19 Group: New Member Member #13,432 Joined: August 8, 2016	Honestly, if you want to really give a reason to it, it was Gohan that harnessed the power of the Z-Sword and released old Kaioshin. Perhaps the old Kaioshin's power-up determines eligible candidates (if you will) based on who can control the Z-Sword. Plus, it always made me think that if "Ultimate Gohan" is not a transformation but rather his base form, why is it that he looks different from his base form (the hair is more spiky and his eyes now have a fully-connecting outline)?



+ Pyrus	Aug 13 2016, 04:35 PM Post #14
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	UrAuthority Aug 13 2016, 03:57 PM Honestly, if you want to really give a reason to it, it was Gohan that harnessed the power of the Z-Sword and released old Kaioshin. Perhaps the old Kaioshin's power-up determines eligible candidates (if you will) based on who can control the Z-Sword. Plus, it always made me think that if "Ultimate Gohan" is not a transformation but rather his base form, why is it that he looks different from his base form (the hair is more spiky and his eyes now have a fully-connecting outline)? Probably because all of that power was accumulated into his regular being all at once, so naturally he'd change a bit, sort of like Vegeta being ridiculously vascular and dehydrated from his power being brought past its limits unnaturally.
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superperfectnerd	Aug 15 2016, 02:53 AM Post #15
Posts: 3,709 Group: Member Member #11,519 Joined: July 15, 2014	Yeah he looks ssj2 because he has a powerful aura and it pushes his hair up just like ssj2 I guess.



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