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Mr Satan vs Bear Thief
Topic Started: Aug 11 2016, 03:04 PM (1,405 Views)
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Aug 13 2016, 01:22 AM
You think Satan could take more than one punch from Kid Goku?
It's actually pretty cute that you believe he couldn't.

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Soft spot? According to who? To me it seems like he got his head torn in two by a punch from a Goku that wasn't even trying with him.
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Aug 13 2016, 01:30 AM
SSbardock84
Aug 13 2016, 01:22 AM
You think Satan could take more than one punch from Kid Goku?
It's actually pretty cute that you believe he couldn't.

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Soft spot? According to who? To me it seems like he got his head torn in two by a punch from a Goku that wasn't even trying with him.
Uh what did you prove lol?

Edit: I think you may have misread my post or you're just joking.
Edited by Son-Goku, Aug 13 2016, 01:38 AM.
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Wait... What? No, this can't be.
You're not seriously suggesting that Perfect Cell, Kid Trunks and Kid Boo are physically weaker than a non-serious Kid Goku, are you?

Or do you actually believe such nonsense?
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Aug 13 2016, 01:39 AM
Wait... What? No, this can't be.
You're not seriously suggesting that Perfect Cell, Kid Trunks and Kid Boo are physically weaker than a non-serious Kid Goku, are you?

Or do you actually believe such nonsense?
No, but I don't understand why you used those examples to try and prove your point. That was a pointless point that proved nothing.
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Aug 13 2016, 01:41 AM
Darker
Aug 13 2016, 01:39 AM
Wait... What? No, this can't be.
You're not seriously suggesting that Perfect Cell, Kid Trunks and Kid Boo are physically weaker than a non-serious Kid Goku, are you?

Or do you actually believe such nonsense?
No, but I don't understand why you used those examples to try and prove your point. That was a pointless point that proved nothing.
You serious? The best examples I could give on Mr Satan being able to survive more than one punch from Kid Goku without a problem. He's an extremely tough human: He got punched through a whole of bricks and he wasn't all that hurt. He got pimp smacked into a mountain and again, barely hurt. Then he got punched by yet another character infinitely stronger than Kid Goku, Kid Boo, and again, barely hurt.

How does that not prove my point? Do I really need words to describe the simplest of things?
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Sure Satan survived being hit by Cell and Buu, but these are used for comedy.

Anyway, Bear thief's like 10+ feet, and is immensely strong physically. I'm afraid Satan is outclassed in every way, except maybe speed.

Bear thief eats him.
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Aug 13 2016, 01:44 AM
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Aug 13 2016, 01:41 AM
Darker
Aug 13 2016, 01:39 AM
Wait... What? No, this can't be.
You're not seriously suggesting that Perfect Cell, Kid Trunks and Kid Boo are physically weaker than a non-serious Kid Goku, are you?

Or do you actually believe such nonsense?
No, but I don't understand why you used those examples to try and prove your point. That was a pointless point that proved nothing.
You serious? The best examples I could give on Mr Satan being able to survive more than one punch from Kid Goku without a problem. He's an extremely tough human: He got punched through a whole of bricks and he wasn't all that hurt. He got pimp smacked into a mountain and again, barely hurt. Then he got punched by yet another character infinitely stronger than Kid Goku, Kid Boo, and again, barely hurt.

How does that not prove my point? Do I really need words to describe the simplest of things?
Those were all situations that were mostly for humor. He is still far too weak to stand up to Kid Goku.

Edit: Not to mention they were all probably using less than 1% of their power to do away with him.
Edited by Son-Goku, Aug 13 2016, 02:22 AM.
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Plenty of genuine feats are also used for humor, that's not a reason to discount them, just look at Dragon Ball or Gotenks in general.
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Aug 13 2016, 02:00 AM
Plenty of genuine feats are also used for humor, that's not a reason to discount them, just look at Dragon Ball or Gotenks in general.
Not many that I would use imo. I can't even think of any off the top of my head, but I'm sure there might be one or two.

Edit: What about Gotenks are you saying?
Edited by Son-Goku, Aug 13 2016, 02:02 AM.
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Aug 13 2016, 02:00 AM
Plenty of genuine feats are also used for humor, that's not a reason to discount them, just look at Dragon Ball or Gotenks in general.
It's genuine if the character in question is able to do it.
Goku jumping to the moon accidentally by having his a** lit on fire ? That's gag, but genuine.
Hercule surviving Buu's punches, whereas these same punches hurt Goku ? it's hard to take those seriously.
But ah well, that's the only lead we have on Hercule's durability.

Curious about your reference to Gotenks though.
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Aug 13 2016, 02:01 AM
Tinny
Aug 13 2016, 02:00 AM
Plenty of genuine feats are also used for humor, that's not a reason to discount them, just look at Dragon Ball or Gotenks in general.
Not many that I would use imo. I can't even think of any off the top of my head, but I'm sure there might be one or two.

Edit: What about Gotenks are you saying?
There's Roshi catching the bullets from a sten, blowing up a hill by accident, Krillin stomping in the preliminaries, Tao catching a bullet with his sandal, Krillin and Roshi going waasy faster than the audience can see, Roshi blowing up the moon, there's plenty of jokes that are genuine feats.

Gotenks is often called a gag character.

@Notaka, in other words, there are genuine feats and outliers, gag or not gag never enters into the equation. The idea of it being dismissed because it's a comedy scene rather than it being an unrealistic (within the context of the story) is what I'm disagreeing with.
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Aug 13 2016, 01:46 AM
Sure Satan survived being hit by Cell and Buu, but these are used for comedy.

Anyway, Bear thief's like 10+ feet, and is immensely strong physically. I'm afraid Satan is outclassed in every way, except maybe speed.

Bear thief eats him.


Sigh...

Yes sure, not only make the bear MUCH bigger than he actually is, just guess his strength to be superior to Satan's OUT OF NOWHERE. "dur dur it's cause he's a bear dur dur". Yeah, and look at all the antropomorphic humans in the show. Captain Yellow should be the s*** cause he's a tiger, are you going to guess he's stronger than the Bear Thief too, just because tigers are naturally stronger and faster than bears, and usually win those brawls?

And buy your own crap, Notaka, you actually think this mindless brute is more skilled than the world's martial arts chamption.

SSbardock84
Aug 13 2016, 01:47 AM
Darker
Aug 13 2016, 01:44 AM
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Aug 13 2016, 01:41 AM
Darker
Aug 13 2016, 01:39 AM
Wait... What? No, this can't be.
You're not seriously suggesting that Perfect Cell, Kid Trunks and Kid Boo are physically weaker than a non-serious Kid Goku, are you?

Or do you actually believe such nonsense?
No, but I don't understand why you used those examples to try and prove your point. That was a pointless point that proved nothing.
You serious? The best examples I could give on Mr Satan being able to survive more than one punch from Kid Goku without a problem. He's an extremely tough human: He got punched through a whole of bricks and he wasn't all that hurt. He got pimp smacked into a mountain and again, barely hurt. Then he got punched by yet another character infinitely stronger than Kid Goku, Kid Boo, and again, barely hurt.

How does that not prove my point? Do I really need words to describe the simplest of things?
Those were all situations that were mostly for humor. He is still far too weak to stand up to Kid Goku.


Wow, what an awful excuse. "It's a gag so it doesn't count". EXACTLY the response I was expecting.
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Aug 13 2016, 02:10 AM
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Aug 13 2016, 02:01 AM
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Aug 13 2016, 02:00 AM
Plenty of genuine feats are also used for humor, that's not a reason to discount them, just look at Dragon Ball or Gotenks in general.
Not many that I would use imo. I can't even think of any off the top of my head, but I'm sure there might be one or two.

Edit: What about Gotenks are you saying?
There's Roshi catching the bullets from a sten, blowing up a hill by accident, Krillin stomping in the preliminaries, Tao catching a bullet with his sandal, Krillin and Roshi going waasy faster than the audience can see, Roshi blowing up the moon, there's plenty of jokes that are genuine feats.

Gotenks is often called a gag character.

@Notaka, in other words, there are genuine feats and outliers, gag or not gag never enters into the equation. The idea of it being dismissed because it's a comedy scene rather than it being an unrealistic (within the context of the story) is what I'm disagreeing with.
Yeah all fair points. But I'm not sure if all of those are necessarily considered "jokes."

How is Gotenks a gag character? I'm sorry but I'm just not getting it.

Edit: @Darker: Dude you need to calm down. You are constantly being rude to users when you're trying to prove a point. Just tone it down.
Edited by Son-Goku, Aug 13 2016, 02:17 AM.
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Sigh...

Yes sure, not only make the bear MUCH bigger than he actually is, just guess his strength to be superior to Satan's OUT OF NOWHERE. "dur dur it's cause he's a bear dur dur". Yeah, and look at all the antropomorphic humans in the show. Captain Yellow should be the s*** cause he's a tiger, are you going to guess he's stronger than the Bear Thief too, just because tigers are naturally stronger and faster than bears, and usually win those brawls?

And buy your own crap, Notaka, you actually think this mindless brute is more skilled than the world's martial arts chamption.


HE'S A 10 FEET, PROBABLY 20+ FEET HUGE ANTHROPOMORPHIC BEAR who can easily lift trees and throw them like darts. How the hell does satan even compares to that ?

Skills mean jack sh*t when you're fighting against someone who is 10x bigger, stronger and probably faster than you. Does that mean an MMA Fighter can beat a bear in a fight ? Because this is honestly the same thing, except that the human is near Peak human, and the bear is 10x bigger and stronger physically, with the intelligence of an average human being.

Mindless Brute ? May I remind you that the most dangerous fighters in DBZ are mindless brutes ? Does Kid Buu ring a bell ? Broly ? Hirudegarn ?

What you only proved was that Satan is durable for a human. Sure he's durable, but not only were those for comedy, Bear thief has multiple ways of killing Satan.
One could be throwing him far away, another would be sitting on him and crushing his body, or to simply eat him.

It's ridiculous to think that someone like Satan would win. you'd need to be superhuman to beat this guy.
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Aug 13 2016, 02:16 AM
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Aug 13 2016, 02:00 AM
Plenty of genuine feats are also used for humor, that's not a reason to discount them, just look at Dragon Ball or Gotenks in general.
Not many that I would use imo. I can't even think of any off the top of my head, but I'm sure there might be one or two.

Edit: What about Gotenks are you saying?
There's Roshi catching the bullets from a sten, blowing up a hill by accident, Krillin stomping in the preliminaries, Tao catching a bullet with his sandal, Krillin and Roshi going waasy faster than the audience can see, Roshi blowing up the moon, there's plenty of jokes that are genuine feats.

Gotenks is often called a gag character.

@Notaka, in other words, there are genuine feats and outliers, gag or not gag never enters into the equation. The idea of it being dismissed because it's a comedy scene rather than it being an unrealistic (within the context of the story) is what I'm disagreeing with.
Yeah all fair points. But I'm not sure if all of those are necessarily considered "jokes."

How is Gotenks a gag character? I'm sorry but I'm just not getting it.

Edit: @Darker: Dude you need to calm down. You are constantly being rude to users when you're trying to prove a point. Just tone it down.
Some are stretching yeah, but still, we take Roshi and Krillin being fast enough to pay rock paper scissors with no one noticing with nary a word about feats. If these fights are going to be disqualified, they need to be done so on the basis of being outliers compared to what he's usually portrayed as, rather than simply because it's a joke. That's my view on it in any case.

I'm not completely sure I do either but it's used to undermine his strength usually.
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