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| Goddess Ultimecia | Aug 7 2016, 08:11 PM Post #31 |
 
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While I personally don't accept it, a popular rebuttal to that is simply that an all-powerful being is beyond our comprehension, and thus isn't subject to our line of logic. |
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| + Pelador | Aug 7 2016, 08:18 PM Post #32 |
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I accept that. I mean when you look at Quantum mechanics and Schrödinger's Cat in particular where something can be both dead and alive at the same time then it actually weirdly makes sense. God can both make an indestructible object, and destroy it. This kind of contradiction does seem to exist in the quantum world. But my point still stands about about the nature of religious texts. I don't need their messages to be a good person and live a happy life. I suppose that's what it really comes down to. |
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Aug 7 2016, 08:19 PM Post #33 |
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By studying religion and science on my own rather than what religious figures have said to me. I started out by reading articles and books, watching religious debates on youtube, and actually listening to people who believed the opposite of what I did at the time. Also, actually reading the bible in full helps a lot. I can't say that I have read it in its entirety, but I've read and studied large portions of it. Reading anything with a critical eye is a good approach to actually understanding a text. Edited by Doggo Champion 2k17, Aug 7 2016, 08:20 PM.
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| Dankness Lava | Aug 7 2016, 08:35 PM Post #34 |
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@Pelador but if He creates something He can't destroy, how does that make Him all powerful? That wouldn't make sense. I think I just debunked that timeless "paradox" lol |
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| + Pelador | Aug 7 2016, 08:39 PM Post #35 |
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Same reason something can be in two places at once. The crazy world of quantum mechanics. |
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| Sky | Aug 7 2016, 09:01 PM Post #36 |
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At first, I was Christian because I enjoyed the idea of the God I had thought of from my own studies of the Bible. He's a God I want to exist, the Bible stories are a lovely read and I enjoy learning from them! I've gone to Church and taken some of their teachings for sure, but I think everyone should find and understand or interpret things themselves too. I'm very grateful that one of my old schools offered a religion course, where it taught you about Islam, Christianity, Catholics and touched on Buddhism! I find what people believe to be so interesting. |
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| DrewHak | Aug 7 2016, 10:42 PM Post #37 |
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I will always remember, we always have little programs at our temple, where some rabbis (equivalent for priests in Christianity I suppose) would visit and talk about stuff. And one guy discussed the use of our faith as an answer for the unknown. It was very interesting and it honestly solidified my faith. We as people don't know everything, we only have a meager amount of understanding when it comes to the things going on in the universe, science is based off study, and some facts most definitely science has proven things we didn't know about before, no doubt in my mind, buts science also uses theory. We simply don't and never will know everything. Scientists base theories off of logic and things implying other things. Then you come to faith, when you witness something incredible, people call it a miracle or an act of god. I was younger, so my memory isn't as clear, but that was the jist of it, that we used our faith to explain things we cannot understand or explain through science. In places where there was conflict the conflict was caused because faith tried to explain something before science could truly allow us to understand it. And people can't let go of how faith originally explained it. Also, the history the torah gives, and the lessons it provides, have always interested me, I really am a fan of it, I enjoy just reading those stories, and the meaning behind them, what they attempt to say or prove. Edited by DrewHak, Aug 7 2016, 10:43 PM.
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Aug 7 2016, 10:45 PM Post #38 |
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 I'm not sure that's how scientific theories actually work. That's more of a layman's way of putting it.
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| DrewHak | Aug 7 2016, 11:02 PM Post #39 |
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I'm sure there's much more to it than that. It's really a complicated field that one can definitely respect. I'm not trying to undermine science, that's just the best way I can explain it in simple ways. Theories don't just come so easily out of nowhere, lots go into them, the idea was that it's not 100% visual proof of everything explained in them being provided. |
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| + Ginyu | Aug 7 2016, 11:03 PM Post #40 |
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No you didn't, that's the entire point of the paradox. Can God create an object that he can't destroy? If he can, then there is something God can't destroy, therefore his power has a limit and God is not omnipotent. If he can't then there is something God can't create, therefore his power has a limit and God is not omnipotent. The paradox shows omnipotent beings don't exist. If God exist, he's not all-powerfull |
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Aug 7 2016, 11:04 PM Post #41 |
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And religion has 100% visual proof of everything to back it up? Many religious people confuse me. Not referring to you specifically, but a lot of the people I know personally or have interacted with in the past. They hate on science, claiming that things like evolution aren't 100% proven, yet they hold to beliefs that literally have no evidence behind them. It's perfectly fine to believe what you want to believe, but at least don't be a hypocrite about it. I wish more religious people were open-minded and willing to believe something that 99% of the world's scientists adamantly support. |
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| Sam | Aug 7 2016, 11:08 PM Post #42 |
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I believe you credited me with this when I debated you back in 2011 or 2012 about atheism. I truly enjoyed talking to you in Deep Discussion, IIRC.  I understand anti-theism and all that but just go by what people call us: atheists. Atheists, in my mind, are automatically agnostics as well so it makes the point redundant.Why am I an atheist? I'm practical, fairly well educated when it comes to the subject of Abrahamic religion and find that the whole concept makes little to no sense. I get attacked for it by family and friends occasionally. You would imagine I would be more upset, but, I tend to just sort of feel surprised and mildly amused that this is one of the forefront things troubling them in my presence when it is so inconsequential to me personally. I've debated priests on here and very fervent religious people. It really can stay civilized. I just don't want this turning into a "does God exist?" topic like they almost always do. 
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| + Yusuke | Aug 7 2016, 11:30 PM Post #43 |
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Agnostic. Don't agree with Theism or Atheism. |
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| Dankness Lava | Aug 7 2016, 11:52 PM Post #44 |
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Yeah I guess I didn't think that through well enough. It does stump me. So is that used as a means of proving the Bible as false? |
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| * Yu Narukami | Aug 7 2016, 11:56 PM Post #45 |
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It's used as a means of showing that any kind of God wouldn't conform to our idea of what's logical. However, that's countered with the claim that they're far beyond that. As for that, we're unable to adequately comprehend God, but depending on what religion you're looking at, we have a pretty good idea about the abilities and qualities they possess. |
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