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Your Religious Views?
Tweet Topic Started: Aug 7 2016, 04:13 AM (12,554 Views)
Dankness Lava	Aug 15 2016, 04:50 AM Post #286
Dankness Forever Posts: 6,348 Group: Tha Dankness Member #9,197 Joined: March 16, 2013 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime Hajime no Ippo What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga One Piece	I'm not understanding. Is that not what I just said?



~~Doggo Champion 2k17~~	Aug 15 2016, 05:28 AM Post #287
Posts: 7,931 Group: GTFO Member #6,380 Joined: June 20, 2011 Country United States Favourite Anime here comes What Browser do you use? o shit waddup! Favourite Manga dat boi	Buuberries Aug 14 2016, 10:21 PM I was typing up a post at work a few hours ago over a period of about an hour but i lost it Clank's post p much follows the whole falsifiability thing w the scientific method. You can't claim anything with absolute certainty and (let me just get this old record) every shred of evidence we find are only close approximations to the truth. That is why it "makes sense" for ppl to believe atoms, but not god. There is evidence for atoms; there are none for God. Go back a few hundred years and the former would be more ridiculous than the latter. That is why there's little to no reason to believe in god, unicorns, blahblah exist unless you have faith, yet just because there's no evidence to support them doesn't mean that they absolutely don't exist. I get that, but going into a religious debate thread with that kind of argument is pretty moot. We all get that; however, I would be an idiot to claim that the FSM existed. You can only play devil's advocate for so long before you just become a troll.



+ Sandy Shore	Aug 15 2016, 11:24 AM Post #288
Posts: 1,860 Group: Elite Member Member #12,337 Joined: May 18, 2015	Buuberries Aug 14 2016, 10:21 PM Clank's post p much follows the whole falsifiability thing w the scientific method. You can't claim anything with absolute certainty and (let me just get this old record) every shred of evidence we find are only close approximations to the truth. That is why it "makes sense" for ppl to believe atoms, but not god. There is evidence for atoms; there are none for God. Go back a few hundred years and the former would be more ridiculous than the latter. That is why there's little to no reason to believe in god, unicorns, blahblah exist unless you have faith, yet just because there's no evidence to support them doesn't mean that they absolutely don't exist. Yes, it is possible that some consciousness laboured over us, or that some unconsciousness dreamt us up, just as it's equally possible that we exist in the weeping eye of an incomprehensibly sized goat-worm, and that should it ever think to blink—can it think? can it blink?—our existence is likely to be rubbed away. But the likelihood of these things being true is not comparable to the existence of dark matter or Higgs boson. There's a very real difference between primitive people imagining something is there and convincing others to believe in it, and genius people suspecting something is there and showing others that it is. Or, trying to, at least. This is as needless an admittance when talking about what is and what isn't as the admittance that there might be a monster under my mother's bed. I'm still dead sure there isn't. I'm 99.999999-ad-ad-ad-nauseum-percent sure there isn't, and If I were to earnestly suggest otherwise you would be among the first to think me delusional. Why does it always need to be stressed? It's far more important to stress that the idea of a god actually being real holds precisely no more weight than the idea of a monster under the bed actually being real. Human fiction; which is not comparable to scientific concepts except in some very tenuous way. Any sincere belief in such is asinine at best.



Buuberries	Aug 15 2016, 12:55 PM Post #289
No Posts: 7,150 Group: Members Member #8,753 Joined: December 30, 2012 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime The Passion of Christ What Browser do you use? Christianity Favourite Manga The Bible	im not going to repeat my actual beliefs on this because im tired of having to post it all the time and i'm sure everyone is fed-up of seeing my s* explaining the scientific method. i have no reason to believe in any sort of god so if you think i'm actually arguing for the existence for one, then you're a dope, mr lazuli. i'm talking about this in broader terms and i guess about epistemology in general. the reason why they're different is because we can support the existence of everything mentioned that isn't god. without evidence, they're just as ridiculous as each other. my replies were more towards what sam said regarding the flying spaghetti monster and unicorns, etc., bc i didnt go back much further than that cuz there was another conversation going on and i couldnt be bothered to filter through it. we cant prove they exist but going by clank's statement of absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence then i agree with that. you cant prove god DOESNT exist, so claiming that he doesnt puts the burden of proof on you. end of. i dont care about atoms and the god particle and all that s*.
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+ Sandy Shore	Aug 15 2016, 02:17 PM Post #290
Posts: 1,860 Group: Elite Member Member #12,337 Joined: May 18, 2015	I don't at all think you're arguing for the existence of a god, and that's Miss Lazuli to you. Quote: we cant prove they exist but going by clank's statement of absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence then i agree with that. Yes, we agree with this statement, but we can be as damn sure that gods are fictitious as we are that superheroes are fictitious. Since all reason and evidence suggests that's what they are, to say as such is not an absurdity. The possibility for us to be shown otherwise is forever open, we know, but nobody would ever belabour the point that superheroes might exist were you to say they're the work of fiction, so why do it when someone says gods are fictitious? It's being a needless pedant. Yes, I'm well aware of the irony, but he started it. Edited by Sandy Shore, Aug 15 2016, 02:18 PM.



Buuberries	Aug 15 2016, 02:29 PM Post #291
No Posts: 7,150 Group: Members Member #8,753 Joined: December 30, 2012 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime The Passion of Christ What Browser do you use? Christianity Favourite Manga The Bible	prove it
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~~Helvius Pertinax Augustus~~	Aug 15 2016, 03:10 PM Post #292
What will you do when you get old? Posts: 1,096 Group: Suspended Member #12,915 Joined: February 8, 2016 Gender Not Specified Country United States Favourite Anime Don't actually watch anime What Browser do you use? Internet Explorer Favourite Manga Don't read manga	Shining Light Aug 15 2016, 04:50 AM I'm not understanding. Is that not what I just said? Yes, but I answered you. False Jews in the Bible are Shabbos Goyim. People like Mark, Peter, John. Non-Jews that help promote or author the religion made for Gentiles.



+ Sandy Shore	Aug 15 2016, 04:32 PM Post #293
Posts: 1,860 Group: Elite Member Member #12,337 Joined: May 18, 2015	Buuberries Aug 15 2016, 02:29 PM prove it Sure, I'll provide you with (what I imagine will be) a somewhat lengthy post on it, if you can prove to me that Superman is, within all reason, a fictitious character. I ask because if you don't believe that then I'm not going to waste time explaining to you why gods belong in the realm of fiction.



Buuberries	Aug 15 2016, 05:02 PM Post #294
No Posts: 7,150 Group: Members Member #8,753 Joined: December 30, 2012 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime The Passion of Christ What Browser do you use? Christianity Favourite Manga The Bible	quit prevaricating. you're the one basically claiming you can prove the non-existent of god, so prove it. also that's a false analogy. you can trace back the origins of superman and the guy who created it. plus comics are supposed to be fiction. the people who wrote their religious text, bible, quran, blahblahblah, werent portraying their god as fiction. if you claim that their gods 100% dont exist, then you have just as much to prove as they do. i dont believe they exist because there's no evidence. do you not see the difference? there are no absolutes with the scientific method; there are only close approximations to the truth.
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+ Sandy Shore	Aug 15 2016, 06:00 PM Post #295
Posts: 1,860 Group: Elite Member Member #12,337 Joined: May 18, 2015	I'm not prevaricating; you said pretty much exactly what I wanted you to say. Quote: ~~also that's a false analogy.~~ you can trace back the origins of superman and the guy who created it. It's not a false analogy because you can trace back the origins of various gods and deities to various different times and places. Which is what I wanted you to do for Superman. It can't be done with quite so much precision as a single author, no—it would be right to say they've had many—but to a rough time and place. It would be unreasonable to suggest they weren't recorded by or concocted in the mind of a human, just as it would be unreasonable to suggest Odysseus wasn't. Quote: the people who wrote their religious text, bible, quran, blahblahblah, werent portraying their god as fiction. So what? People portraying their music as metal doesn't make it metal. People portraying their fiction as literal doesn't make it non-fiction. What of Achilles and King Arthur? Leir of Britain? Brutus of Troy? Characters that have appeared in works claiming to be—taken to be—historical in nature. They're still relegated to fiction when everything suggests them to be as such. "You don't know for 100% King Arthur was fictitious!", no, but until something suggests he wasn't, that's what he is. Trust me, I'd love to be able to say he's not fictitious. Quote: if you claim that their gods 100% dont exist, then you have just as much to prove as they do. I never claimed their gods 100% don't exist, just as I'm not claiming Superman doesn't 100% exist, I'm saying everything suggests they're fictitious. How is that wrong? You're too hung up on being pedantic. We've already agreed that things there are no evidence for still might exist because an absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence, but you won't agree that all evidence suggests gods to be the work of human fiction? Just to devotedly drive a point home? Quote: i dont believe they exist because there's no evidence. As do I, but I also believe they're fictitious because that's what the evidence suggests. Do you not see the difference? Just as I believe Shakespeare wrote the Sonnets, and Homer the Iliad and the Odyssey; that Hengist and Horsa, Romulus and Remus were fictitious. I never said there wasn't the possibility to happen upon something that suggests otherwise, I'm saying all the evidence we have suggests they're a certain thing: fictitious. So I'm calling them fictitious, at least until something suggests they're not - which I imagine will be for the rest of my life, to be perfectly honest. Just as you wouldn't clip someone's ear for saying so about Superman, or Patroclus, or Prospero, why would you clip their ear for saying so about gods? Because you're blindly devoted to this point that you can't 100% claim something doesn't or didn't exist. To which I say, once again: I know, and I'm not. I'm saying they're fictitious because everything suggests they are. Edited by Sandy Shore, Aug 15 2016, 06:04 PM.



Buuberries	Aug 15 2016, 09:40 PM Post #296
No Posts: 7,150 Group: Members Member #8,753 Joined: December 30, 2012 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime The Passion of Christ What Browser do you use? Christianity Favourite Manga The Bible	Quote: I'm not prevaricating; you said pretty much exactly what I wanted you to say. yup. and i didnt and dont have to do it, whereas you're the one claiming. Quote: It's not a false analogy because you can trace back the origins of various gods and deities to various different times and places. Which is what I wanted you to do for Superman. superman is a comicbook character. religious texts are stories of experiences. perhaps those people were stoned, who knows, they're the ones making the claim so they need to prove it; likewise, if you claim that they're bulls***ting, then you're the one who needs to prove that. either way, false analogy. Quote: So what? People portraying their music as metal doesn't make it metal. People portraying their fiction as literal doesn't make it non-fiction. What of Achilles and King Arthur? Leir of Britain? Brutus of Troy? Characters that have appeared in works claiming to be—taken to be—historical in nature. They're still relegated to fiction when everything suggests them to be as such. yup. Quote: I never claimed their gods 100% don't exist, just as I'm not claiming Superman doesn't 100% exist, I'm saying everything suggests they're fictitious. How is that wrong? You're too hung up on being pedantic. We've already agreed that things there are no evidence for still might exist because an absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence, but you won't agree that all evidence suggests gods to be the work of human fiction? Just to devotedly drive a point home? because i'm talking about it in broader terms and i don't agree when people here talk in absolutes. i'm reiterating what clank posted about the FSM and unicorn etc., because that was originally what i was replying to. to claim something doesnt (or does) exist because there's no evidence to prove otherwise means you're committing a fallacy: it's called argument from ignorance. this is why i'm emphasising the point. you saying it "SUGGESTS" they don't exist, then sure i agree with you, but the earlier posts from whoever was talking about it, i dont. welcome to philosophy and academics in general.
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Wagwan	Aug 15 2016, 11:50 PM Post #297
Posts: 190 Group: Member Member #12,260 Joined: April 22, 2015	Here's the thing guys: God is a philosophical idea and/or model to explain other philosophical things in nature which can really only be discussed in a metaphysical and epistemological manner Now you can discuss very specific ideas of god (Abrahamic, pagan, greek and so on) which have pretty precise traits and go on to provide precise philosophical ideas (meaning of life, right and wrong, etc), but you're pigeonholing the general idea of God into very niche area. So go ahead and dispute established religion all you want, it's applied philosophy that goes well beyond conjecture in most cases. However to dispute the general idea of God is in and of itself a philosophical idea posited exactly equal but opposite There's no laboratory for philosophy -- there was a time when natural philosophy existed but it ended up turning into what we call physics today



+ Sandy Shore	Aug 16 2016, 12:27 PM Post #298
Posts: 1,860 Group: Elite Member Member #12,337 Joined: May 18, 2015	Buuberries yup. and i didnt and dont have to do it, whereas you're the one claiming. Yep, that something is a work of fiction. No more absurd than attributing the works of Shakespeare to Shakespeare, since they might not be. It's still not something anybody has any good reason to doubt. Quote: superman is a comicbook character. religious texts are stories of experiences. One is merely harder to discern as fictitious, it doesn't mean we can't come to the same conclusion. As we do with many works; some uncredited; some supposed accounts of history. Quote: welcome to philosophy and academics in general. Gee, thanks, but I don't belong here. I will apologise for something, though, and that's that I didn't realise someone had said 'an absence of evidence is not evidence of absence' doesn't really hold up.



~~Doggo Champion 2k17~~	Aug 17 2016, 10:57 PM Post #299
Posts: 7,931 Group: GTFO Member #6,380 Joined: June 20, 2011 Country United States Favourite Anime here comes What Browser do you use? o shit waddup! Favourite Manga dat boi	https://youtu.be/RB3g6mXLEKk I'm going to leave this here because it's relevant, well-researched, and funny. Warning to Christians: watch at your own risk because it may be offensive to you. I'm sure some of you may have seen this guy's videos already, but he's a smart dude.



radro	Aug 27 2016, 04:08 AM Post #300
Posts: 4 Group: New Member Member #13,466 Joined: August 24, 2016 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Tokyo Ghoul	I was raised a christian ,but going into adulthood I became an atheist after taking a few biology and astronomy classes.



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