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| Sam | Aug 10 2016, 08:44 AM Post #196 |
It takes a mere second for treasure to turn to trash.
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Right. Total omniscience for a deity would indicate the idea of someone having a "destiny" since the deity knows the total outcome of your life, no matter what you do. |
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| Dankness Lava | Aug 10 2016, 08:45 AM Post #197 |
Dankness Forever
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And the Bible directly states that God knows everything that has, is, and will happen? |
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| Sam | Aug 10 2016, 08:53 AM Post #198 |
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- “Remember the former things, those of long ago; I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me. I make known the end from the beginning, from ancient times, what is still to come. I say: My purpose will stand, and I will do all that I please.” (Isaiah 46:9-10) “Before a word is on my tongue you know it completely, oh Lord.” (Psalm 139:4) “Oh Lord, you have searched me and you know me. You know when I sit and when I rise; you perceive my thoughts from afar. You discern my going out and my lying down; you are familiar with all my ways.” (Psalm 139:1-3) “Whenever our hearts condemn us. For God is greater than our hearts, and he knows everything.” (1 John 3:20). These verses seem to strongly imply omniscience. Edited by Sam, Aug 10 2016, 08:54 AM.
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| Dankness Lava | Aug 10 2016, 08:55 AM Post #199 |
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I actually think all of those verses could be talking about the heart except the first one. But I'm gonna read everything around the first verse before taking a stance on what it means. |
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| Sam | Aug 10 2016, 09:16 AM Post #200 |
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I'm sure there are others, those were just the ones I had bookmarked in my personal Bible. I sort of have it organized with little notes sticking out of each page about the major topics. I sort of just stapled them onto the relevant pages, lol, it looks nuts. Those were the ones I could find after a rudimentary glance. |
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| Dankness Lava | Aug 10 2016, 09:20 AM Post #201 |
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Good food for thought |
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| Zoom | Aug 10 2016, 11:43 AM Post #202 |
 
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Sorry I think you're mistaken. Yes, i did PM showing you that the interview was fabricated by KidBuu, I don't remember asking you a question though. I also PMed the mods showing them the interview he used to explain Kid Buu was the strongest in all media which was fabricated. If you don't like me PM you, I won't next time. Obviously my name is not 'Yeshua'. You know what that name in Hebrew means, right? So obviously you're not referring to me, but when you said "Holy, Yeshua", you're making that sarcastic remark which followed up by that "sniffing the bible" and "joining a decent society". Unless there is someone named Yeshua here in this forum and you're talking to him which then i am sorry, but since i don't think there is a Yeshua here, then i assumed those remarks are targeted towards me when I inserted that I would to know more about Christianity and talked about Jesus. What is the problem you have with the Jewish people?
It's easier to explain why 1.1 billion are Nonreligious, I want to understand why so many people (roughly over 2 billion people are Christians 31%, 1.6 billion people who believes in Islam 22%) believe in Yahweh/Jehovah/Jesus/Holy spirit = Trinity or just Yahweh/Jehovah or Elohim God (Father and Mother God) or Allah. Yes, religion overall has been decreasing each year either by realizing the truth or more specifically by the progress of science, or that's not for them or bad experiences with the Catholic church = Pope/Bishop molesting young kids or [insert religion or church or temple]. But at the same time some of the smartest people who ever lived were religious. < obviously that's not a good argument to believe in something because other smart people believed it, and in today's age, it's actually reverse, statistics show the higher the education the person has, the less likely they believe in something that was written thousands of years ago, but my main point is, if the bible is clearly man made or influenced by God, either way definitely HAS human fingerprints all over the bible concerning jealously, racists, sexists, violent acts in the Old Testament, then why haven't the bible been thrown out completely? All the other myths are thrown, especially in first world countries. It's one thing to only stupid people believe in [insert], but for some of the smartest thinkers/scientists to say they are [insert] it's different. Throughout history emperors have tried to eradicate Christianity, but the believers remain faithful. Wouldn't it be easier for the Christians or the Jews to relinquish their faith to live and follow pagan traditions/Gods like Jupiter, Apollo the Sun God which was practised by the ancient Romans? The Romans were actually tolerable in regards to other religion, just as long as you bow to their tradition, but the Christians didn't and as well as the Jews. You can either say the people or groups of people that wrote the bible were; 1. Really smart to write a book that stood the test of time with no God. But at the same time you're agreeing that people like Newton, Planck, Faraday, Kepler, and Boyle are both incredible smart and incredible foolish and stupid to believe in something that was clearly man made. 2. God influenced humans to wrote the bible. 3. Those ancients were really stupid people that wrote rubbish texts. At the moment i don't believe in those texts which means I don't in Christianity or God, but i am willing to learn the reasons why so many do believe. Now, why i'm a agnostic, and why do you have such a huge problem with atheism? Maybe I don't have a proper understanding of the difference between the two or maybe i even used the wrong word to describe myself, but from my understanding from the definition; - a person who holds neither of two opposing positions on a topic: - a person who denies or doubts the possibility of ultimate knowledge in some area of study. - a person who holds that the existence of the ultimate cause, as God, and the essential nature of things are unknown and unknowable, or that human knowledge is limited to experience. Synonyms: disbeliever, nonbeliever, unbeliever; doubter, skeptic, secularist, empiricist; heathen, heretic, infidel, pagan. My position as of now is I don't see any evidence for God, but openly admit I don't know enough about the bible and meaning behind the texts, so i'm willing to learn from people who are believers and people who don't believe what are their reasons. And the reason I don't call myself an atheist is, if i don't believe in something, I don't feel the need to destroy that religion or make fun of them. Richard Dawkins has been on record saying his main goal is to eradicate all religion. Even fellow atheists Lawrence Krauss has been on record saying Dawkin has told him that. I don't believe in Thor, you don't believe in Thor, i don't feel the need to eradicate Thor or Asgardians, i just read their comic books. You can correct me on my definition. |
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| + Sandy Shore | Aug 10 2016, 12:42 PM Post #203 |
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I never said anything in opposition to you messaging me. You're the one who seems to have gotten it in to their head that they asked me a question. So you're saying you've been sniffing the Bible pretty hard lately, and that you're yet to join us in decent society, and that's why you mistook yourself for Yeshua? They're Jewish. Though it could be better, I quite like the yadda yadda yadda feel of this post. And, as I said in another topic you were a part of: Don't look at our time as the end times: "if they still believe now there must be truth in it"; recognise the path we're on. That people still believe in this nonsense does not in any way give it validity, or any more validity than other nonsense they just so happened to have given up at some point. Polytheism went on for longer than monotheism has, and in a (probably insincere) way continues to do so. It's very possible they will eventually give this up, too. I'll leave the rest of your post for someone else to go through, though I will say you always seem suspiciously far too willing to try and defend the Abrahamic god for someone that doesn't align themselves with it. |
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Aug 10 2016, 12:58 PM Post #204 |
What will you do when you get old?
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Is there really any need for another reason? |
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Aug 10 2016, 01:20 PM Post #205 |
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The reasons are simple--indoctrination and fear. Specifically in America and Muslim countries, children are brought up surrounded by religion and indoctrinated into it. I'm not sure how this works for Muslims (although I'm 99% sure it's worse for them), but American children are baptized at an early age, taught to read the bible and pray, and many of them are even raised in private Christian institutions. I can only really speak from personal experience and the experiences of other children that live in my area, but I was dragged along to church with my family two or three times per week. I grew up in the children's group at our church. I was slammed with bible stories, passages, etc. on the weekly. I was told that if I didn't read my bible, pray, and act like a good kid, I was going to burn in hell. Even into my adulthood, I still believed this because it was literally all that I knew, and I was afraid--afraid of going to hell mostly, but also afraid of displeasing this big man in the sky that I had been forced to believe loved and cared for me. I won't respond to the rest of that first part because Lazuli already covered it. We're still progressing, and just because we live in a time where people still believe in religion doesn't mean that it won't fade with time. We just happen to be alive during this part of history.
Yes, you do misunderstand the terms, but I'll get into that.
I'll gladly correct you on your definition, first of all by saying that you don't understand atheism. Most agnostics are agnostics because they don't understand atheism. Atheism, in simple terms, is the belief that there is no god, but I don't know any atheists who claim that there it is absolutely impossible for a deity to exist--they simply believe that there isn't one. You seem to think this way too, which would make you an atheist, not agnostic. 90% (rough percentage) of agnostics are either agnostic theist or agnostic atheist. Agnostic theist is someone who believes that there is a god but can't prove it one way or the other. Agnostic atheist is someone who believes that there isn't a god but can't prove it one way or the other. Agnostic is a pretty useless position unless you literally don't care either way or don't have any knowledge on the subject, which is fair enough. Some people are actually like that. But it's a very small portion of those who actually claim to be agnostic that feel this way. As for your point about Richard Dawkins, while he is an atheist, he is also an anti-theist. An anti-theist is something else entirely; it's someone who believes that all religion is harmful and detrimental to society and should be eradicated. Many atheists are also anti-theists, but I would venture to say that the majority are not. |
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| Dankness Lava | Aug 10 2016, 04:20 PM Post #206 |
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What exactly do you mean by living in decent society? |
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| Daemon Keido | Aug 10 2016, 04:24 PM Post #207 |
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One that doesn't murder you for having a different faith would qualify as one for me but I can't speak for everyone. |
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Aug 10 2016, 04:25 PM Post #208 |
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Who said that? |
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| * Mitas | Aug 10 2016, 04:27 PM Post #209 |
It truly was a Shawshank redemption
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Lazuli, somewhere. |
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| Dankness Lava | Aug 10 2016, 04:29 PM Post #210 |
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Apparently I live with a bunch of murderers 
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