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Topic Started: Aug 7 2016, 02:33 AM (15,021 Views)
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Platinum probably is one of the more challenging games, but I like that. I still never had much trouble even with my self-imposed rules to make it harder. Maybe the team I used was just a good one for the game.

I think that the save issue was because of numerous accounts of younger siblings saving over files. It should give you a warning or something though.
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"I am the bone of my sword."

Perhaps I should just picked Sun Wukong, the flaming fighting monkey.

Sure the first gym would've had issues but I can get a Psyduck (which at this point has basically become my main) and now I have something that can deal with the buttload of Dark Types Galactic and Cyrus chuck at me.

Or perhaps I should've stuck with the Penguin.
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Honestly, you can't really go wrong with any starter. It's more about how you fill out the rest of the team. You just need to have a wide variety of types & moves stretched across all six Pokemon. That's obviously harder to do in a Nuzlocke, but that's part of the challenge. Nuzlockes aren't supposed to be easy, since the whole point of it being created was to make the games harder.
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"I am the bone of my sword."

Eh I don't know, Grass faces already a crippling weakness to fire and flying, the latter which is a common attribute throughout the series. While it should naturally have the advantage against water, the fact that so many water types can learn Ice Moves basically denies the Grass Type main advantage. It doesn't help that someone like Torterra is a Grass/Ground type which makes Ice Moves even more devastating. And every Water User in Sinnoh seems to know Ice Fang or Ice Punch. It also doesn't help that someone like Torterra is the slowest thing ever and speed and getting off the first hit can be crucial in a battle.

Even its ground type barely does a thing to hinder its weakness to fire

I suppose for me, a starter is someone who should be able to take on the front lines and then be supported by other Pokemon to deal with its weaknesses as necessary. But unfortunately Turtwig and its evolution feel so disadvantaged in so many areas even on ones it should be neutral or have the advantage that it makes having it out useless.

And I'm not even doing a Lockean either. There's no way I could do that with Platinum as of now.
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Torterra is my favourite, so I choose him most of the time. I had him last time I beat the game. For me, a starter is only really the strongest since early on it usually ends up getting quite a few levels ahead of the others, which means that it's always got that head start on other Pokemon in the team (plus their stats are usually good anyway). But the rest of the team is just as important, if not moreso since it's important to not rely on just one Pokemon since you live and die with it's strengths and weaknesses.
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Pokemon games are always pretty damn easy. Usually, your starter Pokemon is more than enough to Solo the game. Anyways, you should look into this ROM hack called Dark Rising. I played it back in 2011 or '12. It's pretty good and is intended for very advanced and experience players only, since the story mode is really Hard and lengthy. Anyways, It's definitely much more challenging than the standard Nintendo Pokemon games.
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I've never let any of my mon get overlevelled from the rest. When one gains a level I always swap it out for the next one.
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I'm not that stringent, but I do try to keep them as close as possible (usually within 3 levels from weakest to strongest). I always use a team of six when possible, which keeps them from getting overlevelled. I don't really fight much outside of trainer battles, so I'm usually around the levels of the gym leaders, and almost always underlevelled for the Elite Four.

Bug monotype update: I cleared the rock gym almost instantly after posting that I was struggling. Got my full team now too: Vivillon, Mothim, Volbeat, Illumise, Yanma/mega, Pinsir.
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"I am the bone of my sword."

Good job on clearing the rock gym.
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I'm still under the impression that Torterra suffers under a lot of difficulty (and that might be the same for a lot of Grass Types in General) and the combination of Platinum's definite increase in AI difficulty. I think Torterra faces a sort of opposition of someone like Swampert in Emerald. Swamper was someone who I think had a great advantage early on (minus the grass) and so it was a lot easier for someone like it to level up and get stronger. It didn't have to deal with the common attributes like Flying, Poison and Bug that Torterra does. It could easily get through the Fire Gym and Electric Gym with little trouble.

So by the time you get to the harder stuff later in the game that might be detrimental to Swampert, you've leveled it up so much or at least have some good back up that is poses only a small problem. Get Ice Beam and even its weakness to grass practically becomes null. Even the Elite Four feels easy at times because by then if you have given Swampert the things he needs to hold on such as Ice Beam, Earthquake, etc. So while not easy perhaps, the Elite Four doesn't have anything of any real advantage.

I have nearly soloed the Elite Four with just Swampert before and the only trouble I had was a combination of losing PP and Drake's Dragons.
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This is the opposite I feel of Torterra. It starts of with a lot of primary weakness early on in the game, flying, bug, poison and these are all common attributes throughout the game. It had to struggle to level up early game and you definitely need some Pokemon to back it up. The AI is smart too, much smarter than it is in Emerald that's for sure. It does not relent on you so even the advantages you might have the game plays it out that's still difficult. The Water Gym becomes almost unbearable due to the Ice Types being used. His huge weight causes him trouble in the Grass Gym despite the fact that it should be a neutral setting due to Grass Knot.

Where as Swampert had things it could use easily against both Team Magma and Team Aqua, Torterra has almost nothing prominent it can use against Team Galactic or Cyrus when it comes to their Dark Types.

And it honestly feels as the game goes on, the AI only gets more difficult and it just becomes a challenge getting Torterra through each part.
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"I am the bone of my sword."

Bit of an update on my Platinum Playthrough.

Just managed to beat the first battle with Cyrus, ironically on the first time. Surprisingly enough despite being a bit under leveled I managed to win the first time. Though not without a few Pokemon fainting and I might have got a bit lucky with a final critical. Ironically enough my starter, Grotle is probably the 5th weakest now just behind an Eevee which I had originally had to get an Umbreon. I've honestly barely used the starter and I think I have it just to act as a crutch when the time comes...and especially for the Electric Gym down the line.

At this point, my main has honestly been Golduck with some great support from Crobat and Scyther with Houndoom acting as our necessary fire Pokemon.
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So.

Now there's a sand castle Pokémon with two evolutions...

Not as bad as a literal garbage Pokémon but still an odd choice. Guess it makes sense that it's a Ghost type.


I've always liked Grass Pokémon, especially the likes of Sceptile but yeah they are kinda...well, crap. They need a buff, plants are pretty strong over time they can push through concrete dammit.
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"I am the bone of my sword."

Grass Type just suck, I'm sorry. Maybe they've gotten buffed Post-Sinnoh, I don't know but they suck.

You can compare the 3.

Grass

3 Advantages
4 Not effective against Grass
6 Grass is not effective
4 Disadvantages.

Compare that to the others.

Fire:

4 advantages
6 which aren't effective against fire
4 fire is not effective against
3 disadvantages

Water

3 Advantages
4 Not effective against Water
3 that water isn't effective against
2 Disadvantages.

So basically Grass has the same or less number of advantages as Fire and Water, the same or less resistance than Fire and Water, is less effective against more types than Fire and Water and is more disadvantaged against more types than the other two. Grass was almost always meant as a support type for the stronger types. But I think the problem there is that all types have some measure of support or defensive measure while still being able to provide good offensive capabilities.
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Grass has had a small buff, it is no longer affected by "powder" moves like sleep powder, stun spore etc. It also can't be affected by leech seed, but maybe that was a thing before Sinnoh, I can't remember.

Type effectiveness is still the same.
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"I am the bone of my sword."

It might be nice that since Grass as so many type disadvantages and hardly any advantages, just giving it status buffs throughout would be nice. Like it can't be put into the main category of status ailments like sleep, paralysis or even Confusion. It would help give it a massive advantage to make up for its pretty poor type setting I believe.
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There needs to be more Muks in the world.
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