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Super Episode 54 (7 August 2016)
Topic Started: Aug 7 2016, 12:32 AM (14,069 Views)
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Er, nothing really happened, at least, nothing we didn't already know about anyway. Well, Zamasu was promoted to Kaioshin I suppose, and he's wearing that single green Potara now, just like Black. Anyway, Zamasu and Gowasu went to the future to see what happens to the Barbarians, and they're still savage. Lastly, Vegeta fought Trunks, and after the training, Trunks vowed to surpass his father and Black. Oh, and Zeno requested to meet Goku at the end of the episode for some reason.
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Trunks is out image training by himself on the lake near Capsule Corporation. He pictures himself fighting Black, but can’t envision any way of winning. Inside the laboratory, Dr. Briefs says that they’ve finally stored up enough time machine fuel for a round-way trip. Pilaf wanders in and starts messing around with the time machine’s emergency restart program, and Bulma is impressed when she sees he’s actually managed to improve it. She wonders who Pilaf really, but he insists he’s simply an ordinary kid. Either way, the time machine is almost ready to go!

Mai and Shu watch Trunks as he continues his image training. When Shu explains the concept of image training to Mai, she tries it out for herself…but ends up fantasizing about kissing Trunks instead. Suddenly, something crashes down to Earth: Whis, Beerus, and Goku have returned. Whis claims that Beerus and Goku’s noisy arguing prevented him from moderating his speed properly, but Beerus accuses him of crashing on purpose. They explain what they’ve learned to Trunks, who wonders if perhaps Zamasu disguises himself as Black, or uses his divine powers to shape-shift.

Whatever the case may be, Zamasu and Black’s ki is simply too close to be a coincidence. And yet, while Black had extremely evil ki, Zamasu’s ki isn’t so evil. What’s more, Zamasu didn’t know Goku, while Black did. So while they may be similar, it’s hard to concretely connect them…right now. But perhaps Zamasu will come to think dangerous thoughts in the future.

Still, Goku continues to maintain that Zamasu didn’t seem that evil to him. Having sparred with the guy, Goku thinks he has the best grasp of his personality. Hearing how Goku fought a Kaioshin and even a God of Destruction, Trunks starts thinking that Goku on his own should be more than enough to defeat Black. As Trunks wonders if they need his help at all, Vegeta asks for a moment with his son: he’s going to give him some training!

Over in the Kaioshin Realm of Universe 10, Gowasu tries out Zamasu’s latest cup of tea, and finds it a bit off-flavor. Is it the fault of the tea leaves, or…is something the matter with Zamasu? But there are other concerns: a new race of mortals has popped up on the planet Babari, and Gowasu wants to see what will become of them. At present they are extremely primitive and violent, and Zamasu suggests exterminating them right now. Gowasu is taken aback: that sort of thing is the job of Gods of Destruction! Instead, he simply wants to observe the state of the Babarians 1,000 years in the future, to see if they have become more civilized by then.

Gowasu goes and retrieves the Time Rings, which he explains are for travelling to and from the future. But never the past! That is impossible…and even if possible, is strictly forbidden, since changing history is always dangerous. He tells Zamasu about the differently colored Time Rings in the box: those were born when history was changed, creating parallel worlds. In fact, a new ring was created just a few years ago, apparently the result of “some idiot” creating a parallel world.

Before they take off to the future, Gowasu warns Zamasu that only Kaioshins are qualified to use the Time Rings. As such, an apprentice like him cannot go…so Gowasu says that he’s now officially promoted to being a full-fledged Kaioshin! He hands Zamasu a pair of green Potara earrings, telling him to be careful putting them on. Otherwise, they’ll end up permanently fusing together into a single Kaioshin, something neither seems too anxious to do at the moment. Arriving in the future, they see that the Babarians have developed a certain degree of culture but remain violent, and Zamasu thinks to himself that the universe will never be at peace so long as mortals are around.

Back on Earth, Trunks and Vegeta prepare to train. Trunks remembers the last time they trained together, in the Room of Spirit and Time. He tells Vegeta not to hold back, and to use the same Super Saiyan 3 form as Goku. Vegeta laughs at this idea, and instead becomes Super Saiyan Blue. Trunks is shocked that he can no longer sense Vegeta’s ki, yet still feels overwhelming pressure. He realizes that this is the sort of divine ki Goku must have used to fight Beerus with. Seeing Trunks’ hesitancy, Vegeta gives him a handicap: if he manages to land even a single blow, he “wins”.

Trunks turns into the extremely buff form he used against Cell, which Vegeta dismisses as being too slow. However, Trunks quickly reverts to a faster form and tries to land a punch, and Vegeta realizes Trunks was just trying to put him off guard by showing him the other transformation. He awards Trunks 30 points! Overwhelmed by his father’s strength, Trunks again thinks that he’s not needed: surely Goku and Vegeta can defeat Black. There’s no need for him to grow stronger...

Sensing his son’s thoughts, Vegeta rebukes him: is defeating Black his only goal? He needs to look ahead, to new enemies that might appear. As an inheritor of Saiyan blood, and as Vegeta’s son, Trunks should never accept losing to anybody! He should aim to be the strongest in the universe! Bulma and Goku happen to be passing by, and Bulma gets worried when she sees Vegeta being so hard on Trunks, but Goku explains that this is just how Saiyans do things. With Vegeta distracted, Trunks manages to land a punch. He passes the test! The sparring match over, Trunks declares that he will surpass Vegeta and Black both. He bows and thanks his father.

Back on Beerus’ planet, Whis is preparing dinner when a call comes in over his staff. Whis is busy, so Beerus answers it…and is shocked to see it’s a call from the Omni-King! It seems he wants to meet with Goku…

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Hey, this is Goku! The Omni-King is calling for me? I was about to head off to the future, but I guess I got no choice! Hey Beerus, Kaioshin, what's that look for? The Omni-King just wants to have a chat with me, right? Next time on Dragon Ball Super: "Hey, I Wanna Meet Son Goku! A Summons from the Omni-King" Don't miss it!
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Vegeta training Gohan would be awesome but it'll never happen. I always thought if Goku had stayed dead after Cell, Vegeta mellowing a bit and training with Gohan could have been cool.
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My assumption: Black Goku is = Universe 3 Zamasu who copied Goku from Future Trunks Timeline before he died because his heart disease.

He became slightly stronger after every fight, but when he fights with actual Goku he gets basically "upgraded" to the newest and strongest version of Goku.

That's why I think Vegeta will be the main hero in this arc and beat Black. Because the harder Goku gets and fights against Black, the stronger becomes Black himself. So Vegeta has to surpass Goku=Black to win.

Let's see..

Edit: Also Vegeta will go full rage after thinking about that he killed Bulma.
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I would like Vegeta to beat this Goku but I've been hurt before.
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eoisode was slower paced than i would have liked.
I agree that i think they are trying hard to make it seem like Zamasu is black only to keep our attention away from his real identity.
Trunks' animation was terrible in many scenes, really bugged me, its nice to see that he will be getting stronger though. I think the visual training was a nice addition.
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Anyone else noticed the bet Vegeta and Trunks had is similar to the one he made to Kid Trunks in the Gravity Room when he found out he could turn SSJ? It's a nice little callback.
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Aug 8 2016, 07:31 PM
My assumption: Black Goku is = Universe 3 Zamasu who copied Goku from Future Trunks Timeline before he died because his heart disease.

He became slightly stronger after every fight, but when he fights with actual Goku he gets basically "upgraded" to the newest and strongest version of Goku.

That's why I think Vegeta will be the main hero in this arc and beat Black. Because the harder Goku gets and fights against Black, the stronger becomes Black himself. So Vegeta has to surpass Goku=Black to win.

Let's see..

Edit: Also Vegeta will go full rage after thinking about that he killed Bulma.
Toei can't let that happen. Even if it was written into the manga, Toei would change the anime to make Goku the hero again.
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Aug 10 2016, 01:27 AM
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Aug 8 2016, 07:31 PM
My assumption: Black Goku is = Universe 3 Zamasu who copied Goku from Future Trunks Timeline before he died because his heart disease.

He became slightly stronger after every fight, but when he fights with actual Goku he gets basically "upgraded" to the newest and strongest version of Goku.

That's why I think Vegeta will be the main hero in this arc and beat Black. Because the harder Goku gets and fights against Black, the stronger becomes Black himself. So Vegeta has to surpass Goku=Black to win.

Let's see..

Edit: Also Vegeta will go full rage after thinking about that he killed Bulma.
Toei can't let that happen. Even if it was written into the manga, Toei would change the anime to make Goku the hero again.
Even though Goku has always been the central focus for Dragon Ball. I tired of Goku always saving the day. What's so bad about giving the win to other characters? It'd make the anime so much better and diverse if it wasn't always the main protagonist getting the victories. And before anyway comes in to say that of course Goku usually always saves the day, he's the main character. I ask you to think about all the other anime out there that aren't showering its main protagonist in glory and victory...it works rather well for most of them doing this, correct? It would benefit Dragon Ball immensely to do this as well.
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Aug 10 2016, 04:02 AM
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Aug 10 2016, 01:27 AM
Hit
Aug 8 2016, 07:31 PM
My assumption: Black Goku is = Universe 3 Zamasu who copied Goku from Future Trunks Timeline before he died because his heart disease.

He became slightly stronger after every fight, but when he fights with actual Goku he gets basically "upgraded" to the newest and strongest version of Goku.

That's why I think Vegeta will be the main hero in this arc and beat Black. Because the harder Goku gets and fights against Black, the stronger becomes Black himself. So Vegeta has to surpass Goku=Black to win.

Let's see..

Edit: Also Vegeta will go full rage after thinking about that he killed Bulma.
Toei can't let that happen. Even if it was written into the manga, Toei would change the anime to make Goku the hero again.
Even though Goku has always been the central focus for Dragon Ball. I tired of Goku always saving the day. What's so bad about giving the win to other characters? It'd make the anime so much better and diverse if it wasn't always the main protagonist getting the victories. And before anyway comes in to say that of course Goku usually always saves the day, he's the main character. I ask you to think about all the other anime out there that aren't showering its main protagonist in glory and victory...it works rather well for most of them doing this, correct? It would benefit Dragon Ball immensely to do this as well.
I agree 100%. I'm sick that ALWAYS Goku is the main hero.

But I actually believe that Goku won't be the main hero of this arc. Goku can't win against Black because they are always equally strong.

I'd say: 80% Vegeta 15% Trunks+Gohan 5% Only Trunks

DON'T STOP BELIEVING!
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I'm finding Zamasu all the more interesting with this added focus on his character. Could there perhaps be some eventual moral confliction down the road where Zamasu reconsiders his pursuit of "cleansing" existence of the "scourge" known as humanity? Goku isn't exactly the philosophical type and Vegeta doesn't concern himself enough with the plights of his enemies to get into debates with them. Future Trunks is the only other major player in this arc and he seems like he may have become too disillusioned and hardened from the life he was forced to endure to offer much empathy for the people who have hunted him down like an animal. Maybe Zamasu comes to his own conclusion by witnessing Goku protecting others? His only experience with mortals shown so far has been what's he seen in a crystal ball as well as that savage alien village.

While it does seem farfetched for Trunks to miraculously skyrocket up to God level, stranger things have indeed happened. If the humans can surpass Raditz through training with Kami and Piccolo impressing Nail in 6 short days after being implied to be weaker than Gohan at a power level of 2800 then anything is possible.

Also, I know this is a little off-topic but does anyone else follow the EnigmaTNG on Youtube? He makes DBZ remixes and originals which, in my honest opinion, are some of the best I've heard from anyone. He recently released some new themes for Black and Hit that I thought were, if you'll forgive the crudeness of the expression, very kick a** and epic. Here they are...

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I want to believe that Goku won't be the one saving the day. But how many times has someone else in this new series actually been the one to save the day? I can't name any. Someone mentioned Hunter x Hunter, not sure in what context...maybe about someone extremely strong having bodyguards but not actually needing them. But I am mentioning Hunter x Hunter on the basis that it's an anime that's a perfect example of having several protagonists get the time in the spotlight, and not just one time, but several times. Gon was the main. Gon had plenty of victories. But he was not the only one that saved the day and it made Hunter x Hunter really enjoyable. Dragon Ball really needs to adapt this. We saw it only a handful of times even in DBZ, and even fewer times in Dragon Ball...if my memory is correct. Super needs this, and badly...

And I agree that Zamasu is actually pretty interesting. He's very conflicted. If he has an epiphany or moment of clarity and is won over by the humans and by Goku. I actually don't think that would be predictable, but actually a smart move to make for the series. We haven't seen anything like this from a potential "villain" since Vegeta. I don't count Buu. Zamasu has not revealed himself as an enemy. However he is on the line and wavering on either side. Like I've said. Zamasu can't be Black. I really hope he isn't. THAT...would be predictable and very disappointing.

It's true that we've seen stranger things happen in Dragon Ball, so why would Trunks somehow attaining God level and being on par or surpassing both Goku and Vegeta be so far fetched? Because even though Dragon Ball has never been an anime to play on the principle of logic. At some point the writers and Akira need to stop being so damn...ridiculous and flip floppy with things. Dragon Ball and its fanbase is older, some of us much older than when the original Dragon Ball aired. Yeah, we got a new and younger fanbase mixed in. But I am not one that thinks Dragon Ball should keep with this simple and sloppy logic it follows, or lack there of. Get some grit in there. Give us some suspense. Make us want nothing more on our weekends than to sit at our computer screen waiting for the new episode to pop up. Because frankly right now even for me...I'm a little bored. You all know how I have said several times prior to others complaining about how bad Super is, that those people are just being ridiculous. Well honestly not all of them are because I'm growing tired of this backwards, nonsensical crap Super keeps pulling. It needs to stop man haha.

But I am rambling on. tl/dr more or less. But I think my point is clear.
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Hmm.... So, it seems Future Trunks is probably getting a Huge Power up again. I just hope that pathetic failure doesn't disappointment everyone sometime again in the future by running back to the present and begging for help. Honestly, I think they should not bother in powering up Future Trunks because he is not gonna make any use of it later on. Instead they should focus on powering up Goku and making him more strong and powerful. I think the final battle will be fought in space with Goku being the Victor. I think Vegeta would then catch up to Goku by the next Tournament Arc.
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Hmm.... So, it seems Future Trunks is probably getting a Huge Power up again. I just hope that pathetic failure doesn't disappointment everyone sometime again in the future by running back to the present and begging for help. Honestly, I think they should not bother in powering up Future Trunks because he is not gonna make any use of it later on. Instead they should focus on powering up Goku and making him more strong and powerful. I think the final battle will be fought in space with Goku being the Victor. I think Vegeta would then catch up to Goku by the next Tournament Arc.
I fail to see how he's a pathetic failure?
at a bare minimum he's around SS2 Gohan post Z sword in power, now even if you hold him lower, Gohan only got ss2 through hax, Vegeta got it via majin and 7 years relentless training, and Goku had special training in the other world.

then to surpass those they had Gods train them and Gohan had a god perform a ritual on him.

Now we have Trunks, all alone with no guidence. Recieves some guidence from supreme kai but nothing major. So really minus Goku having access to other world and the Z fighters having multiple Gods to assist them, they'd all be around SS2 Gohan post Z sword at best (as Goku stated other world training allowed him to reach ss3). So Trunks being significantly disadvantaged has still managed to keep up based on fair grounds.
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I fail to see how he's a pathetic failure?


It's because he is your favorite character. Maybe you should remove those "fanboy glasses" to see things more clearly.

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Gohan only got ss2 through hax, Vegeta got it via majin and 7 years relentless training, and Goku had special training in the other world.


It's not Hax. All 3 of them obtained SSJ2 through intense training and hard work. Ironically, it is Future Trunks who got SSJ2 and was made stronger through "Plot Hax". I mean, How did he even get SSJ2 when all he did was trying to evade and hide from Black?

My points still stand that he is still a pathetic failure. He knows about the ROSAT, Dragon Balls, and about the Namekeians/Namek. Yet, he fails to utilize any of them. This failure to utilize any of them and/or his experience is the reason he can not handle the threat regarding Black and needed assistance from the Supreme Kai to take on Dabura. Had he utilized his knowledge and experience he gained during the Cell Arc he would have defeated or at least handled Dabura and Black on his own. There is reason of course why Vegeta in Super is sometimes annoyed by Future Trunks after all. It's because of this. He still needs to be spoon fed even after he has got all the Information, knowledge and experience needed to protect his world.
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I fail to see how he's a pathetic failure?


It's because he is your favorite character. Maybe you should remove those "fanboy glasses" to see things more clearly.

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Gohan only got ss2 through hax, Vegeta got it via majin and 7 years relentless training, and Goku had special training in the other world.


It's not Hax. All 3 of them obtained SSJ2 through intense training and hard work. Ironically, it is Future Trunks who got SSJ2 and was made stronger through "Plot Hax". I mean, How did he even get SSJ2 when all he did was trying to evade and hide from Black?

My points still stand that he is still a pathetic failure. He knows about the ROSAT, Dragon Balls, and about the Namekeians/Namek. Yet, he fails to utilize any of them. This failure to utilize any of them and/or his experience is the reason he can not handle the threat regarding Black and needed assistance from the Supreme Kai to take on Dabura. Had he utilized his knowledge and experience he gained during the Cell Arc he would have defeated or at least handled Dabura and Black on his own. There is reason of course why Vegeta in Super is sometimes annoyed by Future Trunks after all. It's because of this. He still needs to be spoon fed even after he has got all the Information, knowledge and experience needed to protect his world.
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Right, Trunks is pathetic.

There's no way the character who's the most concerned about preventing threats is gonna even check if those are viable options, right? The one guy who basically said ''No, let's not be stupid, we need to deal with the situation as effectively and quickly as possible''. That guy, yeah?
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