Do you play any DBZ games competitively?

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Do you play any DBZ games competitively?
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DBZAOTA482	Aug 4 2016, 03:57 AM Post #1
Posts: 1,798 Group: Member Member #5,093 Joined: August 2, 2010 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon Ball/Z, One Piece, Akira, School Rumble, Detective Conan. What Browser do you use? Google Chrome, Internet Explorer.	Well do ya... punk? Fighting games is my favorite genre of video games (Tekken being my favorite fighting game franchise) alongside platforms and action-adventure but I don't always have time for them. I always go to DBZ games for both my DBZ and fighting game fixes naturally being I'm a huge fan of both but the problem with those none of them are very good as fighting games with few exceptions (but even those aren't main event worthy)... though that's applicable to anime-based fighters in general. I lost my competitive virginity to Budokai 3 and am now working on Infinite World. Wish I could play like these guys: Would like to play Super DBZ high-level but I hardly know anyone who actually knows about let alone knows how to play it at all thus I got bored with it. I can dream... One game I've underestimated competitively is Raging Blast. I mean, it's not great or anything but the characters' movesets are more personalized than BT3 (which I otherwise consider more competitive roster issues aside) and I kinda wanna see a sequel for it now:



BioBroly288	Aug 4 2016, 11:48 PM Post #2
Saiyan Of Legend Posts: 602 Group: Member Member #9,511 Joined: May 18, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime DBZ What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga DBZ	I myself play am a huge fan of the fighting game genre. I play SFV at a competitive lvl (Beat some Known Pros to). I just found out there's a way to play the budokai games with the ps2 emulator online with friends. I'm going to look more into it as I always wanted to learn IW. I Miss RB2, to me it was the most complex 3d fighter, would wish for RB3 but Bandai is on that Xenoverse wave at the moment. I wish we can go back to the atari days where they would make a 2d and 3d dbz fighter which satisfied the whole fan base.



~~Bask Om~~	Aug 5 2016, 10:37 PM Post #3
Posts: 20 Group: Suspended Member #13,089 Joined: May 7, 2016 Gender Male Favourite Anime Titans What Browser do you use? Titan 2.0 Favourite Manga Titans	Quote: Do you play any DBZ games competitively? Competitively? Don't make me laugh. DBZ games or fighting games in general are not competitive at all. There is a reason after all of why Fighting games are not present or even suggested in the WCG or ESL.



BioBroly288	Aug 5 2016, 10:43 PM Post #4
Saiyan Of Legend Posts: 602 Group: Member Member #9,511 Joined: May 18, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime DBZ What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga DBZ	Bask Om Aug 5 2016, 10:37 PM Quote: Do you play any DBZ games competitively? Competitively? Don't make me laugh. DBZ games or fighting games in general are not competitive at all. There is a reason after all of why Fighting games are not present or even suggested in the WCG or ESL. What are you even talking about. Fighting games are arguably the most competitive than any game genre. Major tourneys like Big House, Capcom Cup, Apex, Evo, MLG and Many more. Not to mention thousands of locals. Heck Evo was even broadcasted by Espn, This genre requires a lot of skill and has a huge competitive atmosphere.



~~Bask Om~~	Aug 5 2016, 10:59 PM Post #5
Posts: 20 Group: Suspended Member #13,089 Joined: May 7, 2016 Gender Male Favourite Anime Titans What Browser do you use? Titan 2.0 Favourite Manga Titans	Quote: What are you even talking about. Fighting games are arguably the most competitive than any game genre. Major tourneys like Big House, Capcom Cup, Apex, Evo, MLG and Many more. Not to mention thousands of locals. Heck Evo was even broadcasted by Espn, This genre requires a lot of skill and has a huge competitive atmosphere. What are you talking about? Please don't compare or insult WCG or ESL with small fries like Big House,Apex etc. They are nothing but peasants compared to WCG or ESL, which are the pinnacle of Competitive gaming . Stop deluding yourself and learn to do some research before spout such nonsense. Fighting games don't require any skills they are purely based on randomness. Whereas, games played on WCG or ESL require Skill, good instincts, reflexes, strategies, ability to deduct/predict positions, team coordination and communication and ability to utilize the games environment. And WCG or ESL games have randomness but they what is called as systematic randomness.



BioBroly288	Aug 5 2016, 11:19 PM Post #6
Saiyan Of Legend Posts: 602 Group: Member Member #9,511 Joined: May 18, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime DBZ What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga DBZ	Bask Om Aug 5 2016, 10:59 PM Quote: What are you even talking about. Fighting games are arguably the most competitive than any game genre. Major tourneys like Big House, Capcom Cup, Apex, Evo, MLG and Many more. Not to mention thousands of locals. Heck Evo was even broadcasted by Espn, This genre requires a lot of skill and has a huge competitive atmosphere. What are you talking about? Please don't compare or insult WCG or ESL with small fries like Big House,Apex etc. They are nothing but peasants compared to WCG or ESL, which are the pinnacle of Competitive gaming . Stop deluding yourself and learn to do some research before spout such nonsense. Fighting games don't require any skills they are purely based on randomness. Whereas, games played on WCG or ESL require Skill, good instincts, reflexes, strategies, ability to deduct/predict positions, team coordination and communication and ability to utilize the games environment. And WCG or ESL games have randomness but they what is called as systematic randomness. Don't require any skill. Don't insult a whole genre because your simply not good enough. Randomness... LOL any experienced player will punish anything random you throw at them. Fighting games require reads, Footsteps, Setups not to mention learn framerate data and reflexes. Crazy comebacks have been made because people have stratagized. People wouldn't be playing these games at a competitive lvl if it wasn't competitive. Also isn't MKX and SFV on ESL also... Like i said EVO Genesis CEO Capcom Cup MLG Apex Big House And many more Don't say a genre isn't compete just because you aren't good at it.



+ Son-Goku	Aug 5 2016, 11:25 PM Post #7
孫悟空 Posts: 13,368 Group: Elite Member Member #12,886 Joined: January 24, 2016 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime DB/DBZ/DBS, Code Geass, Gintama, YYH, Death Note, and SAO. What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Fairy Tail, and Naruto.	I used to but I wouldn't say I play them competitively anymore. Mainly because DBZ games have been changing the way they do multiplayer. Hopefully Xenoverse 2 goes back to the way they used to do things.
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~~Bask Om~~	Aug 5 2016, 11:33 PM Post #8
Posts: 20 Group: Suspended Member #13,089 Joined: May 7, 2016 Gender Male Favourite Anime Titans What Browser do you use? Titan 2.0 Favourite Manga Titans	Quote: Don't require any skill. Don't insult a whole genre because your simply not good enough. Randomness... LOL any experienced player will punish anything random you throw at them. Fighting games require reads, Footsteps, Setups not to mention learn framerate data and reflexes. Crazy comebacks have been made because people have stratagized. People wouldn't be playing these games at a competitive lvl if it wasn't competitive. Also isn't MKX and SFV on ESL also... You are missing the point again. Skills,comeback and reflexes are not the only thing which define whether the game is competitive or not. Quote: Like i said EVO Genesis CEO Capcom Cup MLG Apex Big House And many more And like I said they are all small fries/ants compared to WCG or ESL. Do yourself a favour and first learn what WCG and ESL tile mean before spouting such biased nonsense. Quote: Don't say a genre isn't compete just because you aren't good at it. Again a baseless deduction that I am not good at it. The genre is not competitive because it is actually not and this is a known fact about this genre and not because I am not good at it. I am actually pretty good at fighting games. And anyone can become an expert at a fighting game. The difference and the reason why fighting games are no competitive is because they are easy to learn and easy to master. Whereas, games in WCG or ESL are also easy to learn but difficult to master. And this is why Fighting games are not present in WCG or ESL because their competitive ceiling is very low. Fighting games literally spoon feed the players on all almost everything. Edited by Bask Om, Aug 5 2016, 11:35 PM.



BioBroly288	Aug 5 2016, 11:46 PM Post #9
Saiyan Of Legend Posts: 602 Group: Member Member #9,511 Joined: May 18, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime DBZ What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga DBZ	Bask Om Aug 5 2016, 11:33 PM Quote: Don't require any skill. Don't insult a whole genre because your simply not good enough. Randomness... LOL any experienced player will punish anything random you throw at them. Fighting games require reads, Footsteps, Setups not to mention learn framerate data and reflexes. Crazy comebacks have been made because people have stratagized. People wouldn't be playing these games at a competitive lvl if it wasn't competitive. Also isn't MKX and SFV on ESL also... You are missing the point again. Skills,comeback and reflexes are not the only thing which define whether the game is competitive or not. Quote: Like i said EVO Genesis CEO Capcom Cup MLG Apex Big House And many more And like I said they are all small fries/ants compared to WCG or ESL. Do yourself a favour and first learn what WCG and ESL tile mean before spouting such biased nonsense. Quote: Don't say a genre isn't compete just because you aren't good at it. Again a baseless deduction that I am not good at it. The genre is not competitive because it is actually not and this is a known fact about this genre and not because I am not good at it. I am actually pretty good at fighting games. And anyone can become an expert at a fighting game. The difference and the reason why fighting games are no competitive is because they are easy to learn and easy to master. Whereas, games in WCG or ESL are also easy to learn but difficult to master. And this is why Fighting games are not present in WCG or ESL because their competitive ceiling is very low. Fighting games literally spoon feed the players on all almost everything. Biased... your the one that's being biased. Your saying a genre isn't competitive just because it isn't present in a Major Circuit you listed (When you completely ignored that MKX and SFV are in fact presented in one of them) Easy to learn and master, there are multiple players who have played games from the start and have yet to do anything impressive (An example being a player like Chillin Dude who's played SSBM since the beginning and has yet to win a Major. Your whole argument is literally you saying fighting games aren't competitive because there simply not and that there easy to master (When there in fact not easy at all). I'm naming those tourneys (Alot in which hold thousands of participants) as an example. You gave an example on how FPS gave were competitive (Which I never denied but we'll move along anyway) stating require Skill, good instincts, reflexes, strategies, ability to deduct/predict positions, team coordination and communication and ability to utilize the games environment but when I give examples you say they don't matter...



~~Bask Om~~	Aug 6 2016, 12:05 AM Post #10
Posts: 20 Group: Suspended Member #13,089 Joined: May 7, 2016 Gender Male Favourite Anime Titans What Browser do you use? Titan 2.0 Favourite Manga Titans	Quote: Biased... your the one that's being biased. Your saying a genre isn't competitive just because it isn't present in a Major Circuit you listed (When you completely ignored that MKX and SFV are in fact presented in one of them) I am not being biased. I am simply stating the facts and the stats of why fighting games have such a low competitive ceiling. Also, SFV was only present in 2013 WCG and MKX was never present in any of the WCG's. That alone shows that SFV and MKX still don't have enough high competitive ceiling to even be consistent in WCG. Also, the fact that number of SFV/MKX teams/players in those tournament being very small further shows that Fighting games are never meant for serious plays. Quote: Easy to learn and master, there are multiple players who have played games from the start and have yet to do anything impressive (An example being a player like Chillin Dude who's played SSBM since the beginning and has yet to win a Major. It is easy to learn and easy to master because fighting games do not provide players to develop new techniques out of the box or deduce new techniques/game play from existing game play. In fighting games players are bound to the permutation of the characters move set. They can not develop a new move set or deduct a new move set from existing ones. Quote: Your whole argument is literally you saying fighting games aren't competitive because there simply not and that there easy to master (When there in fact not easy at all). The fact that they are not present in the giant leagues like WCG alone proves that they don't have the required competitive level to even enter a serious competitive league. Quote: I'm naming those tourneys (Alot in which hold thousands of participants) as an example. You gave an example on how FPS gave were competitive (Which I never denied but we'll move along anyway) stating require Skill, good instincts, reflexes, strategies, ability to deduct/predict positions, team coordination and communication and ability to utilize the games environment but when I give examples you say they don't matter... They do matter but they unfortunately have less number of factors and also those factors have the competitive ceiling very low. They are good but only for just casual plays and not serious plays.



BioBroly288	Aug 6 2016, 12:16 AM Post #11
Saiyan Of Legend Posts: 602 Group: Member Member #9,511 Joined: May 18, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime DBZ What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga DBZ	Bask Om Aug 6 2016, 12:05 AM Quote: Biased... your the one that's being biased. Your saying a genre isn't competitive just because it isn't present in a Major Circuit you listed (When you completely ignored that MKX and SFV are in fact presented in one of them) I am not being biased. I am simply stating the facts and the stats of why fighting games have such a low competitive ceiling. Also, SFV was only present in 2013 WCG and MKX was never present in any of the WCG's. That alone shows that SFV and MKX still don't have enough high competitive ceiling to even be consistent in WCG. Also, the fact that number of SFV/MKX teams/players in those tournament being very small further shows that Fighting games are never meant for serious plays. Quote: Easy to learn and master, there are multiple players who have played games from the start and have yet to do anything impressive (An example being a player like Chillin Dude who's played SSBM since the beginning and has yet to win a Major. It is easy to learn and easy to master because fighting games do not provide players to develop new techniques out of the box or deduce new techniques/game play from existing game play. In fighting games players are bound to the permutation of the characters move set. They can not develop a new move set or deduct a new move set from existing ones. Quote: Your whole argument is literally you saying fighting games aren't competitive because there simply not and that there easy to master (When there in fact not easy at all). The fact that they are not present in the giant leagues like WCG alone proves that they don't have the required competitive level to even enter a serious competitive league. Quote: I'm naming those tourneys (Alot in which hold thousands of participants) as an example. You gave an example on how FPS gave were competitive (Which I never denied but we'll move along anyway) stating require Skill, good instincts, reflexes, strategies, ability to deduct/predict positions, team coordination and communication and ability to utilize the games environment but when I give examples you say they don't matter... They do matter but they unfortunately have less number of factors and also those factors have the competitive ceiling very low. They are good but only for just casual plays and not serious plays. Don't require to learn new techniques when it's a proven fact that everyone who plays the games has different playstyles making it even harder for people to come up with strategies to beat them, so that makes your argument completely invalid. The reason why the teams are so small is simply because fighting games are one in one oposed to FPS which have 8 player teams to face one another Also MKX was also in ESL Not to mention SFV is also on ESL again this year. The factors I stated are enough and there's more that I yet to even list. You saying it's only for casual play is a spit to the face to people who have trained to continue to hone there skills, Also why would big companies sponsor these players if they aren't for competitive play. Why would People from around the globe meet to see who is the best in said game... For CASUAL PLAY. Also your being off topic which can result in a warning, if you don't think fighting games are competitive that's fine but don't go around and saying it as if it's fact. Either you play DB games competitive or you don't Edited by BioBroly288, Aug 6 2016, 12:22 AM.



~~Bask Om~~	Aug 6 2016, 12:33 AM Post #12
Posts: 20 Group: Suspended Member #13,089 Joined: May 7, 2016 Gender Male Favourite Anime Titans What Browser do you use? Titan 2.0 Favourite Manga Titans	And why do you think they are never sponsored and invested every year consistently like the other consistent games in WCG or ESL? It's because they don't have much potential to become highly competitive like those other games that occur consistently in almost all the competative leagues every year and also the fact that they have a very small base of players who think it is competitive . And I am not being off topic. I dont play DBZ competitively because it's not a serious competitive game to begin with. And you are just being biased and arguing that it is competitive when it really is not and is only mean't for casual play as proven by lack of investment and sponsor's for these tyoe of games.



~~Professor Gohan~~	Aug 6 2016, 12:36 AM Post #13
Posts: 0 Group: GTFO Member #6,938 Joined: November 2, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Bask, please stop being rude. Thank you.



BioBroly288	Aug 6 2016, 12:49 AM Post #14
Saiyan Of Legend Posts: 602 Group: Member Member #9,511 Joined: May 18, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime DBZ What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga DBZ	Bask Om Aug 6 2016, 12:33 AM And why do you think they are never sponsored and invested every year consistently like the other consistent games in WCG or ESL? It's because they don't have much potential to become highly competitive like those other games that occur consistently in almost all the competative leagues every year and also the fact that they have a very small base of players who think it is competitive . And I am not being off topic. I dont play DBZ competitively because it's not a serious competitive game to begin with. And you are just being biased and arguing that it is competitive when it really is not and is only mean't for casual play as proven by lack of investment and sponsor's for these tyoe of games. Players like Infiltration,Daigo,Mango,M2K,Armada,Luffy,Ken and Many more get sponsored every year what are you talking about. A very small base of people think these games are competitive yet they consistently cap out in every Major and Local... You are being off Topic, your going on a rant on why FPS games are Competitive while Fighters are not when the question is do you play DBZ games Competively. I've literally debunked everything you said and your simply saying it's not Competively You said Fighters aren't Competive because they aren't in ESL Rebutal: They Actually are in ESL and continue TO be in ESL They aren't Competively because there's no consistent sponsorship Rebutal: Players get consisting sponsorship every year and Tournemen also get sponsors as well and Broadcasted in various networks They aren't competitive because there's no new technique Rebutal:It's proven everyone has different playstyles It's not competitive because the base is small Rebutal: the base is Humongous if it were small than a thousand man tourneys wouldn't cap out You said it's full of Randomness with no elements Rebutal: I've listed the elements, Randomness gets punished by pros (Showing you lack knowledge of the genre) Edited by BioBroly288, Aug 6 2016, 12:51 AM.



~~Bask Om~~	Aug 6 2016, 01:28 AM Post #15
Posts: 20 Group: Suspended Member #13,089 Joined: May 7, 2016 Gender Male Favourite Anime Titans What Browser do you use? Titan 2.0 Favourite Manga Titans	Did you even ever visit the ESL website? Just look at their homepage it doesn't even list MKX and SFV in the front page. You have to literally click "..many more!" under ESL Play to even see MKX and SFV and other less competitive games. Furthermore, SFV and MKX are not even present in the ESL National Championship and ESL Intel Extreme Masters two of the most imporrtant competitive gaming tournament rivaling that of WCG. This only further proves that Fighting games don't have much potential to be highly competitive at all. You are just beating the bush now.As I already told you countless times before Fighting games are competitive but they are just not as Highly competitive as other Games Present in WCG ,ESL National Championship and ESL Intel Extreme Masters. Also, next time before you attack my original post emotionally and say something nonsense like this, Quote: Fighting games are arguably the most competitive than any game genre Please back them up with facts and stats. It is clear from the above baseless statement that you are being biased towards fighting game. So, please come back when you have grown, matured and not have suck myopic view about competitive gaming. Also, please don't reply as it is clear that you will never agree with my points. And I will stop replying as it is diverging from the main topic. Edited by Bask Om, Aug 6 2016, 01:55 AM.



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