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Topic Started: Jul 31 2016, 06:29 PM (3,509 Views)
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Jul 31 2016, 07:09 PM
Rivaling means there's a real chance to best him, or put him on the ropes at minimum. You know, like a rival.

Being a tenth of his strength is not rivaling him, unless you're telling me Goku could pose a threat for Beerus when Goku is less than 10% of his strength.
He can put up a better fight then his ep 14 self. And i seriously doubt any kaoishin knows beerus full extent because beerus doesnt need it to show ssg+ tier feats. Goku is still the closest thing in power to beerus most kaoishin have ever seen. Obviously stronger than his pre god self
Pre god goku was said to be fodder to beerus
Post god goku is closer to a rival to him
Seems reasonable
Ssb>mortal forms>ep 14 self

Yea and by your argument elder kai should've been saying "gokus still screwed" when goku kept powering up against beerus due to him being this low to beerus real power. Its very likely no kaoishin has seen him over ssb levels but we know while unrestrained he's at least over ep 14 goku and rof goku

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It was initially portrayed that way with goku and freeza being grouped and praised as freaks of nature. Also ki during combat>ki while fighting

Goku rivals beerus but is no where near his full capacity and arsenal
Edited by Timothy, Jul 31 2016, 07:16 PM.
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How? At a certain point, skill and technique become meaningless when someone is too much stronger.
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When Freeza and Goku were considered rivals, they were relatively close. Sure, Freeza had a slight edge, but he was holding back to around Goku's level. The moment Freeza went 50% though, that crap flew right out the window and everyone was noticing how screwed Goku was. That's not even remotely close to the same thing.

By this same string of thinking, Piccolo and Goku at BOZ rivaled Raditz, 50% Freeza rivaled SSJ Goku, the Cell Jrs rivaled SSJ2 Gohan, Majin Vegeta rivaled Majin Boo, etc.
Edited by lazerbem, Jul 31 2016, 07:20 PM.
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Being exponentially weaker than your opponent isn't rivalling, it's stomping range, pure and simple.

Lemme put it simply; if you could beat someone with a flick of the finger, would you consider them a rival?
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Jul 31 2016, 07:18 PM
How? At a certain point, skill and technique become meaningless when someone is too much stronger.
Techniques can be power amps

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Further validation that beerus never showed these fodder his fp. Lel why would he he can just seal em in a sword

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Fp beerusb can fingerflick that goku but they don't know that
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Jul 31 2016, 07:20 PM
ThePrinceOfSaiyajins
Jul 31 2016, 07:18 PM
How? At a certain point, skill and technique become meaningless when someone is too much stronger.
Techniques can be power amps
Yeah... And? Do want to tell me that Beerus is only capable of beating Goku with amped techniques?
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If Beers never showed the Kaioshins his full power, then the statement is as worthless as the time they thought Goku was close to Freeza, isn't it? That's like taking in every bad assessment of power and taking it as truth.
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Timothy
Jul 31 2016, 07:20 PM
ThePrinceOfSaiyajins
Jul 31 2016, 07:18 PM
How? At a certain point, skill and technique become meaningless when someone is too much stronger.
Techniques can be power amps

@lazerbruh
Further validation that beerus never showed these fodder his fp. Lel why would he he can just seal em in a sword

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Fp beerusb can fingerflick that goku but they don't know that
So they're comparing Goku to a suppressed Beerus?

Okay, what percentage? If it's any more than 5/10%, you must think that the SSB multiplier is complete garbage.
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Jul 31 2016, 07:23 PM
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Jul 31 2016, 07:20 PM
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Jul 31 2016, 07:18 PM
How? At a certain point, skill and technique become meaningless when someone is too much stronger.
Techniques can be power amps
Yeah... And? Do want to tell me that Beerus is only capable of beating Goku with amped techniques?
No bro im making it clear kaoishim don't know his full extent. Goku rivals the ki they're usually sensing from beerus

You know there's a thing called powering up it's kinda what db is made fun of for. The extended screams and growing auras lmao

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Bruh

When Goku was fighting beerus they didn't say goku,beyond level of god but below 1% beerus faces of against the god of destruction hohoho

Elder kai didn't say goku was gonna be fingerflicked.
This just goes to show his fp is something that hasn't been seen by kaoishin but they know his power

It rivals beerus in that it's in that macroversal range. Unrestrained beerus tier but not near his fp. So if i was a god and i saw what he saw and based off beerus standing ki I'd make the same observation


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So here's how i see it Ss2 Goku rivals beerus standing ki(or what he's shown kaoishin)
And Fp Beerus>Ssbkx10>Ssb>Ss3>Ss2>Ssj>>>>>>>>>ssg


And id say suppressed beerus is the one that fought z fighters. He really had to pull his punches


This statement just goes to show that current goku in mortal forms deficates all over z
Edited by Timothy, Jul 31 2016, 07:40 PM.
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So, I guess it is sorta of something like this now,

Whis > Beerus > Champa > SSBKKx10 Goku > SSB Goku/Vegeta >= Hit > SS3 Goku > SS2 Goku/Vegeta > SSJ Goku/Vegeta > Base Goku/Vegeta > SSG > Ultimate Gohan > SSJ3 Goku @ F.Trunks > SSJ2 Goku @ F.Trunks > SSJ2 F.Trunks > (SSJ Goku @ FTrunks) = (SSJ Vegeta @ Cabba) = (SSJ Goku @ Frost) > SSJ F.Trunks > (Base Goku @ F.Trunks) = (Base Vegeta @ Cabba) = (Base Goku @ Frost) >= F.Trunks Base = Cabba Base >> Piccolo

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Goku rivals the ki they're usually sensing from beerus

And do you know how much ki that is?
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Jul 31 2016, 08:15 PM
So, I guess it is sorta of something like this now,

Whis > Beerus > Champa > SSBKKx10 Goku > SSB Goku/Vegeta >= Hit > SS3 Goku > SS2 Goku/Vegeta > SSJ Goku/Vegeta > Base Goku/Vegeta > SSG > Ultimate Gohan > SSJ3 Goku @ F.Trunks > SSJ2 Goku @ F.Trunks > SSJ2 F.Trunks > (SSJ Goku @ FTrunks) = (SSJ Vegeta @ Cabba) = (SSJ Goku @ Frost) > SSJ F.Trunks > (Base Goku @ F.Trunks) = (Base Vegeta @ Cabba) = (Base Goku @ Frost) >= F.Trunks Base = Cabba Base >> Piccolo

?
I have agree til you got to goku And vegeta being the suppressed in the u6 tourney but you know what. You're power chain is far more rational than the two base theory crap.

I personally have cabba and frost over rof final form freeza. Possibly trunks too since he fought black for a year and black is confirmed ssg tier
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Jul 31 2016, 08:33 PM
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Goku rivals the ki they're usually sensing from beerus

And do you know how much ki that is?
Below his fp but over rof base goku and vegeta( minus ssb)

Because he suppresses himself for combat but is usually "unrestrained" like when he's sleep
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Jul 31 2016, 08:50 PM
lazerbem
Jul 31 2016, 08:33 PM
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Goku rivals the ki they're usually sensing from beerus

And do you know how much ki that is?
Below his fp but over rof base goku and vegeta( minus ssb)

Because he suppresses himself for combat but is usually "unrestrained" like when he's sleep
And you know that they know this how?
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Jul 31 2016, 08:33 PM
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Goku rivals the ki they're usually sensing from beerus

And do you know how much ki that is?
I thought they couldn't even sense Beerus to begin with? Sorry to jump in, but have I missed something?
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