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Topic Started: Jul 31 2016, 06:29 PM (3,508 Views)
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From the two base theory that spawned from the kanzenshuu forums that is now rampant on this site and the db YouTube community to other downplay premises people have been going out their way to ignore simple scaling and feats because new characters lack what they would deem as a good backstory and explanation.
But week
After week
Episode after episode
The downplay gets utterly destroyed with more evidence
https://plus.google.com/105636925732802791489/posts/CPDK3WqbHSj

Now if current ssj2 goku was somehow weaker than his episode 14 ssj self

Than how does his ss2 "rival the god of destruction"
But ppl will still put zamasu and black below boo incarnations.

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He's evidently talking out his a***, given Bluper Saiyan is logically stronger than SSJ2 but even with a Kaioken x10, it didn't surpass Beers.
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Jul 31 2016, 06:31 PM
He's evidently talking out his a***, given Bluper Saiyan is logically stronger than SSJ2 but even with a Kaioken x10, it didn't surpass Beers.
Rival=/=equal

It goes to show that the two base theory is bs and current goku in mortal forms>his ep 14 self.

Wow this is ridiculous

Base goku rivaled Namek freeza but you know the real gap. This goes to show that the bogus claims about current ssj2 goku only being slightly over his dbz self is ridiculous

Now this doesnt mean goku rivals his fp. You think random kaoishin seen beerus at fp. Goku likely rivals the level beerus is unrestrained at but not fp
Edited by Timothy, Jul 31 2016, 06:46 PM.
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I'm fairly sure Herms would have pointed that line out if it was actually said. Also, what, Super Saiyan 2 rivals Beerus, but Super Saiyan Blue Kaio-ken x10 doesn't? Yeah, ok.
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Jul 31 2016, 06:45 PM
I'm fairly sure Herms would have pointed that line out if it was actually said. Also, what, Super Saiyan 2 rivals Beerus, but Super Saiyan Blue Kaio-ken x10 doesn't? Yeah, ok.
"Yeah,ok" boi you acting like it's stated that it doesn't rival beerus when that bp made champa almost react in fear. Yea champ nice use of assumption like it shuts me down.
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So where would yall place ss2 goku then. You obviously don't realize this doesn't mean goku equals beerus in ss2. Rival doesn't mean equal. And yea the guy who can sense their ki is talking out his a*** because y'all upset y'all downplay is unsubstantiated assumption based headcannon
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Timothy
Jul 31 2016, 06:48 PM
ThePrinceOfSaiyajins
Jul 31 2016, 06:45 PM
I'm fairly sure Herms would have pointed that line out if it was actually said. Also, what, Super Saiyan 2 rivals Beerus, but Super Saiyan Blue Kaio-ken x10 doesn't? Yeah, ok.
"Yeah,ok" boi you acting like it's stated that it doesn't rival beerus when that bp made champa almost react in fear. Yea champ nice use of assumption like it shuts me down.
Er, did you forget about this?
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 19:29 | Hit: "You can keep the cube. Just let me go home already."
 19:41 | Champa: "Not only did you constantly ignore my orders, you were a total pushover in the final match..."
 19:50 | Champa: "You'll never leave here alive! Every last one of you have disgraced me!"
 20:06 | Champa: "I'm gonna destroy you all!"

Champa is confident he can take out Hit, and lets not forget that Hit wasn't going all out against Goku.
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Rival doesn't mean equal.

True, but do you really rival someone if you're well over 40 times weaker? No, you don't, that's not even a question. And again, Herms never pointed this line out, so it likely wasn't said.
Edited by ThePrinceOfSaiyans, Jul 31 2016, 06:55 PM.
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So...

SSJB Goku > SSJ3 > SSJ2 > SSJ > Base > SSJG?
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Jul 31 2016, 06:53 PM
Timothy
Jul 31 2016, 06:48 PM
ThePrinceOfSaiyajins
Jul 31 2016, 06:45 PM
I'm fairly sure Herms would have pointed that line out if it was actually said. Also, what, Super Saiyan 2 rivals Beerus, but Super Saiyan Blue Kaio-ken x10 doesn't? Yeah, ok.
"Yeah,ok" boi you acting like it's stated that it doesn't rival beerus when that bp made champa almost react in fear. Yea champ nice use of assumption like it shuts me down.
Er, did you forget about this?
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 19:29 | Hit: "You can keep the cube. Just let me go home already."
 19:41 | Champa: "Not only did you constantly ignore my orders, you were a total pushover in the final match..."
 19:50 | Champa: "You'll never leave here alive! Every last one of you have disgraced me!"
 20:06 | Champa: "I'm gonna destroy you all!"

Champa is confident he can take out Hit, and lets not forget that Hit wasn't going all out against Goku.
Timothy
 
Rival doesn't mean equal.

True, but do you really rival someone if you're well over 40 times weaker? No, you don't, that's not even a question. And again, Herms never pointed this line out, so it likely wasn't said.
Yea Champa says he can take out thr obviously fight worb team u6. Hit still rivals him. Doesmt mean He'll win

And again beerus doesn't walk around at fp. We know he's usually at a level above ssg while "unrestrained"

Is herms dragon ball Jesus or something? Either way if he provides a better translation i bet it can still give me support
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Precisely bro. Its pretty easy to get when you dont have a bias against new characters and the rampant power inflation thats existed in.this series since the beginning
Edited by Timothy, Jul 31 2016, 07:01 PM.
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Jul 31 2016, 06:59 PM
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Jul 31 2016, 06:53 PM
Timothy
Jul 31 2016, 06:48 PM
ThePrinceOfSaiyajins
Jul 31 2016, 06:45 PM
I'm fairly sure Herms would have pointed that line out if it was actually said. Also, what, Super Saiyan 2 rivals Beerus, but Super Saiyan Blue Kaio-ken x10 doesn't? Yeah, ok.
"Yeah,ok" boi you acting like it's stated that it doesn't rival beerus when that bp made champa almost react in fear. Yea champ nice use of assumption like it shuts me down.
Er, did you forget about this?
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 19:29 | Hit: "You can keep the cube. Just let me go home already."
 19:41 | Champa: "Not only did you constantly ignore my orders, you were a total pushover in the final match..."
 19:50 | Champa: "You'll never leave here alive! Every last one of you have disgraced me!"
 20:06 | Champa: "I'm gonna destroy you all!"

Champa is confident he can take out Hit, and lets not forget that Hit wasn't going all out against Goku.
Timothy
 
Rival doesn't mean equal.

True, but do you really rival someone if you're well over 40 times weaker? No, you don't, that's not even a question. And again, Herms never pointed this line out, so it likely wasn't said.
Yea Champa says he can take out thr obviously fight worb team u6. Hit still rivals him. Doesmt mean He'll win

And again beerus doesn't walk around at fp. We know he's usually at a level above ssg while "unrestrained"
We don't know if Champa rivals Hit. He's likely much stronger if he isn't worried at all.

Why the heck would Zowasu be referring to a suppressed state? What would be the point of that, and what would it prove?

And again, for the third time, Herms never pointed that line out, so it likely wasn't said.
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Is herms dragon ball Jesus or something? Either way if he provides a better translation i bet it can still give me support

No, but he's certainly more accurate than a speed sub. Go ahead, bring this line to the attention of Herms. We'll learn if it's accurate or not.
Edited by ThePrinceOfSaiyans, Jul 31 2016, 07:04 PM.
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I'm not particularly comfortable with Freeza going from 120 million to over 400x stronger than SSJG in four months, but maybe that's just me.
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I absolutely refuse to believe that ssj2 is more powerful than ssjgssj. Goku in ssjgssj isn't even a tenth of Beerus, there's no possibility of that. I think you have bad subs quite frankly, you need to find new ones, either that or it's a continuity error, or that ssjgssjkkx10 is noncanon, or that this stuff isn't canon and is as filler as Goku beating Ultimate Gohan.
The chain is this

Ssjgssj>ssj3>ssj2>ssj> base
Not ssj3>ssj2>ssjgssj>ssj> base

Prince has a good idea, let's ask Herms any it and see what he has to say.

Also if is referring to Beerus suppressed or not trying than that says nothing in effect, and is meaningless to say.
Edited by Tinny, Jul 31 2016, 07:07 PM.
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Jul 31 2016, 07:02 PM
Timothy
Jul 31 2016, 06:59 PM
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Jul 31 2016, 06:53 PM
Timothy
Jul 31 2016, 06:48 PM
ThePrinceOfSaiyajins
Jul 31 2016, 06:45 PM
I'm fairly sure Herms would have pointed that line out if it was actually said. Also, what, Super Saiyan 2 rivals Beerus, but Super Saiyan Blue Kaio-ken x10 doesn't? Yeah, ok.
"Yeah,ok" boi you acting like it's stated that it doesn't rival beerus when that bp made champa almost react in fear. Yea champ nice use of assumption like it shuts me down.
Er, did you forget about this?
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 19:29 | Hit: "You can keep the cube. Just let me go home already."
 19:41 | Champa: "Not only did you constantly ignore my orders, you were a total pushover in the final match..."
 19:50 | Champa: "You'll never leave here alive! Every last one of you have disgraced me!"
 20:06 | Champa: "I'm gonna destroy you all!"

Champa is confident he can take out Hit, and lets not forget that Hit wasn't going all out against Goku.
Timothy
 
Rival doesn't mean equal.

True, but do you really rival someone if you're well over 40 times weaker? No, you don't, that's not even a question. And again, Herms never pointed this line out, so it likely wasn't said.
Yea Champa says he can take out thr obviously fight worb team u6. Hit still rivals him. Doesmt mean He'll win

And again beerus doesn't walk around at fp. We know he's usually at a level above ssg while "unrestrained"
We don't know if Champa rivals Hit. He's likely much stronger if he isn't worried at all.

Why the heck would Zowasu be referring to a suppressed state? What would be the point of that, and what would it prove?

And again, for the third time, Herms never pointed that line out, so it likely wasn't said.
I didn't say suppressed I said unrestrained. Not at fp nor suppressed

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Haha you don't get it do you. That's not what is being said or validated. Base goku rivaled Namek freeza if you're someone watching who is leagues below. Goku is that tier with beerus but you can be in the same tier and severely inferior in combat
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Rivaling means there's a real chance to best him, or put him on the ropes at minimum. You know, like a rival.

Being a tenth of his strength is not rivaling him, unless you're telling me Goku could pose a threat (even a small one, but not a "down the line potential" one) for Beerus when Goku is less than 10% of the god's strength.
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Base Goku did not rival Namek Freeza in any capacity. Base Goku was way weaker when he was on Namek, and was just stated to be inferior by the time Beerus showed up. Putting that aside, how the f*** does Super Saiyan 2 Goku rival Beerus if Super Saiyan Blue Kaio-ken x10 Goku still can't beat him? That doesn't make sense no matter how much better a fighter Beerus is.
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