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Super Episode 53 (31 July 2016)
Topic Started: Jul 31 2016, 12:30 AM (9,419 Views)
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Zamasu and Gowasu are pretty cool. Still don't have a clear idea as to how Goku is using his power though. All we really know is that Zamasu is way stronger than the Kaioshin in Universe 7. Although, Beerus did say Goku used Super Saiyan in a fight against him, and Gowasu was surprised he's still alive. Whether he's referring to his first battle with him or second, I'm not entirely sure, however, Goku did only use Super Saiyan 2 against Beerus in his first fight, and he was using Super Saiyan 2 against Zamasu. The 2-Base Theory becoming increasingly more likely from the looks of things.
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Whis, Beerus, and Goku are flying through space in order to investigate Zamasu, someone in Universe 10 who Whis and Beerus believe has the same ki as Black. Goku asks who exactly this “Zamasu” guy is, and Whis explains that he used to be a Kaio in Universe 10, but due to his talent for battle, he is now being groomed as the next Kaioshin.

Over in the Kaioshin Realm of Universe 10, Zamasu is serving tea to Gowasu, the senior Kaioshin. Gowasu compliments him on the delicious tea: only those pure of heart can make such good tea, which proves Zamasu’s mind is at peace. He shall humbly continue to train his mind and body in order to silently watch over the doings of mortals.

But Zamasu has something on his mind: are mortals really worth protecting? He’s observed them endlessly repeat the same cycle: first flourishing, then destroying themselves in wars. Shouldn’t they interfere to put a stop to these foolish mistakes? Gowasu explains that the role of Kaios and Kaioshins is to create and observe; only the Gods of Destruction are allowed to directly interfere. Zamasu needs to understand his own role, and learn more about mortals.

Beerus and co. arrive and greet Gowasu: It’s been a long time! Gowasu introduces Zamasu as his pupil, but Zamasu is shocked to see Goku. A mortal! What’s he doing here?! Goku very politely introduces himself: he’s a Saiyan living on Planet 4,032-Green-877 in Universe 7…aka “Earth”. Zamasu is surprised to hear that Goku is a Saiyan, and wonders why he’s hanging out with a God of Destruction.

Goku compliments Zamasu as seeming pretty strong for a Kaio, but Zamasu angrily tells Goku not to touch him. Next Goku requests a match against Zamasu, but Beerus tosses him aside, saying that can wait. He and Whis state their business: on Earth in Universe 7 there’s somebody who wears a Time Ring, despite not being a Kaioshin, and he looks exactly like Goku. Would they happen to know anything about that? Gowasu says he knows nothing about it, so next Beerus and Whis ask to see their Time Rings, to confirm that they are all present and accounted for.

Zamasu escorts them to the “temple” (while Whis notes to Beerus that Zamasu didn’t seem to know about the Time Rings). At the temple, Gowasu opens a box which contains four green Time Rings and one silver one, confirming that they are all there. He’s curious why Beerus and Whis specifically came to Universe 10 asking about something that occurred in Universe 7, but they claim to be going around to every universe as part of their investigation.

Goku is still pestering Zamasu for a match, until finally Gowasu orders Zamasu to indulge him. This will be a part of Zamasu’s training, and help him understand mortals better…plus it’s a chance to see how much he can restrain himself against a mortal. He tells Zamasu to hold back, but Beerus interjects, saying Zamasu definitely shouldn’t…otherwise, he might die!

Back on Earth, Trunks is wondering to himself why a Universe 10 Kaio would have the same ki as Black, when Kuririn interrupts him: Gohan’s daughter sure is cute, right? Kuririn adds that he’s got a kid of his own, though she’s quite a handful. Trunks didn’t know Kuririn was married, and asks about his wife. As Kuririn hesitates, No.18 walks in and greets Trunks: “Long time no see!” Marron also runs out and hugs Kuririn, and 18 explains that they came to check on him since he hadn’t come home.

Trunks is shocked to realize 18 is Kuririn’s wife, while Kuririn says that it’s a long story. 18 pointedly notes that Trunks killed the version of her that existed in his alternate future, and demands he pay her consolation for damages…thankfully though, she’s just joking. Trunks goes off to check on Bulma, who’s still repairing the time machine with help from the Pilaf Gang. Things are going well, and they take a break. Outside, Pilaf and Shu observe Mai’s interactions with Trunks, and are determined to help make their love blossom. They try and get Mai to show off her gentle side, but she resents their interference.

In Universe 10, Goku becomes a Super Saiyan as he prepares to fight Zamasu, who notes that this transformation raises Goku’s ki up “several dozen fold”. Goku notes that Zamasu is the first god he’s fought since Beerus, which is an even bigger surprise: if he fought Beerus, how can he still be alive? The match starts, and as Zamasu fights, Goku can sense he has a ki similar to Black’s. For his part, Zamasu can’t believe that a mortal could be so strong.

While it seems a good match, in the end Goku is victorious. He again notes how Zamasu is really strong for a Kaio; he’s even stronger than Universe 7’s Kaioshin! “Let’s fight again sometime!” Having seen the Time Rings, Beerus and Whis are content to leave; they mustn’t forget about eating dessert. Heading home, they discuss how what they’ve seen of Zamasu supports their suspicions that he and Black are one and the same. Perhaps they should destroy him now? But Goku says Zamasu didn’t seem like such a bad guy. Besides, while similar, his ki isn’t exactly the same as Black’s.

Still, the way his hand went number when he hit Zamasu reminds Goku of when he fought Beerus. Beerus is angry at being lumped in with Zamasu, insisting that he’s on a far higher level. However, Goku thinks that Zamasu still has room to improve, and may someday grow into as scary a god as Beerus.

Back in Universe 10, Zamasu thanks Gowasu for allowing him to fight Goku. Gowasu thinks this helped Zamasu gain a deeper understanding of mortals, and relieved some of the distrust he feels towards them. Zamasu says he is embarrassed to realize how inexperienced he is, which Gowasu says is proof that he’s grown. Gowasu asks Zamasu for another cup of tea, which Zamasu obediently pours.

But Zamasu’s thoughts tells a different story: “I knew it, mortals are dangerous. Son Goku, I won’t forget this!”
Edited by ThePrinceOfSaiyans, Jul 31 2016, 12:40 PM.
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Aug 3 2016, 03:47 PM
It's possible, but has Beers ever shown that extent of his power to Gowasu? For all we know, Gowasu only knows him at the level he used when trouncing the Z-fighters.
That's possible, but that'd still mean the death of the 2-base theory if Super Saiyan 2 Goku is now comparable to that level.
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I wonder though exactly how much of an increase SSJ and SSJ2 are at this point. "Several-dozen fold" is somewhat of an ambiguous statement. How do you interpret 'several'?

Well, If I had to guess based on the above information, then SSJ is about (x12) or (x24) base and SSJ2 is about x60(i.e x36~x60) base. That is in terms of SSJ, SSJ2 is probably about 5 or 2.5 times than that of the SSJ.
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Super Saiyan 2 can still be 100 times base. Several is rather ambiguous as it's more than 2, but less than many, and many itself is ambiguous.
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Super Saiyan 2 can still be 100 times base. Several is rather ambiguous as it's more than 2, but less than many, and many itself is ambiguous.

True. I just gave the lower bounds for SSJ and SSJ2.
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Not a power level gal. But if a dozen is 12. Several dozens gotta be at least 60 or higher. Imo
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Not a power level gal. But if a dozen is 12. Several dozens gotta be at least 60 or higher. Imo


It depends on how you define and quantify the word 'many'.
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Pacing was slightly improved but still slow. I really cant tolerate what theybare doing woth Goku's character. some humour is fine but turning him into an idiotic manchild is not ok. I think back to the cell saga and even buu saga at how Goku became such a symbol of hope and he was like the father of the Z fighters, and now he's a joke that anyone rarely takes seriously outside of battle.

on a positive the plot is developing into quite an interesting one.
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It's possible, but has Beers ever shown that extent of his power to Gowasu? For all we know, Gowasu only knows him at the level he used when trouncing the Z-fighters.
That's possible, but that'd still mean the death of the 2-base theory if Super Saiyan 2 Goku is now comparable to that level.
Ki of the magnitude produced by a trained ssj or ssj2 should still be something special or 'godly'. This is my major gripe with Super so far, Frieza's return and the universe 6 fighters are making ssj legends a joke. To Gowasu sensing the extraordinary ki of a ssj2 having not had any reason o sense close to Beerus' full power would think it was godly. Just like the Supreme Kai was constantly surprised by the saiyans. Maybe none of the Kais know the true extent of Beerus' power and just know it as something to be feared.
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Problem is Goku compared Zamasu to Beerus, so he's obviously far stronger than Boo era characters. We also have to take into consideration why the manga would scale so differently. The manga actually provides us with an idea regarding how Super Saiyan and Super Saiyan Blue compare, and it's not a very big difference.
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I know but it's retroactively making every hero/villain from Z deluded about their power being impressive.

In Dragon Ball is was okay, on a universal scale they weren't impressive. They were the strongest on Earth facing Earthly threats.
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I mean, GT kinda did the same considering Base Goku was already stronger than the strongest villain in Z.
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GT annoys me with its power scaling too but Super is on a whole new level of bulls***.
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