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Super Episode 53 (31 July 2016)
Topic Started: Jul 31 2016, 12:30 AM (9,421 Views)
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Zamasu and Gowasu are pretty cool. Still don't have a clear idea as to how Goku is using his power though. All we really know is that Zamasu is way stronger than the Kaioshin in Universe 7. Although, Beerus did say Goku used Super Saiyan in a fight against him, and Gowasu was surprised he's still alive. Whether he's referring to his first battle with him or second, I'm not entirely sure, however, Goku did only use Super Saiyan 2 against Beerus in his first fight, and he was using Super Saiyan 2 against Zamasu. The 2-Base Theory becoming increasingly more likely from the looks of things.
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Whis, Beerus, and Goku are flying through space in order to investigate Zamasu, someone in Universe 10 who Whis and Beerus believe has the same ki as Black. Goku asks who exactly this “Zamasu” guy is, and Whis explains that he used to be a Kaio in Universe 10, but due to his talent for battle, he is now being groomed as the next Kaioshin.

Over in the Kaioshin Realm of Universe 10, Zamasu is serving tea to Gowasu, the senior Kaioshin. Gowasu compliments him on the delicious tea: only those pure of heart can make such good tea, which proves Zamasu’s mind is at peace. He shall humbly continue to train his mind and body in order to silently watch over the doings of mortals.

But Zamasu has something on his mind: are mortals really worth protecting? He’s observed them endlessly repeat the same cycle: first flourishing, then destroying themselves in wars. Shouldn’t they interfere to put a stop to these foolish mistakes? Gowasu explains that the role of Kaios and Kaioshins is to create and observe; only the Gods of Destruction are allowed to directly interfere. Zamasu needs to understand his own role, and learn more about mortals.

Beerus and co. arrive and greet Gowasu: It’s been a long time! Gowasu introduces Zamasu as his pupil, but Zamasu is shocked to see Goku. A mortal! What’s he doing here?! Goku very politely introduces himself: he’s a Saiyan living on Planet 4,032-Green-877 in Universe 7…aka “Earth”. Zamasu is surprised to hear that Goku is a Saiyan, and wonders why he’s hanging out with a God of Destruction.

Goku compliments Zamasu as seeming pretty strong for a Kaio, but Zamasu angrily tells Goku not to touch him. Next Goku requests a match against Zamasu, but Beerus tosses him aside, saying that can wait. He and Whis state their business: on Earth in Universe 7 there’s somebody who wears a Time Ring, despite not being a Kaioshin, and he looks exactly like Goku. Would they happen to know anything about that? Gowasu says he knows nothing about it, so next Beerus and Whis ask to see their Time Rings, to confirm that they are all present and accounted for.

Zamasu escorts them to the “temple” (while Whis notes to Beerus that Zamasu didn’t seem to know about the Time Rings). At the temple, Gowasu opens a box which contains four green Time Rings and one silver one, confirming that they are all there. He’s curious why Beerus and Whis specifically came to Universe 10 asking about something that occurred in Universe 7, but they claim to be going around to every universe as part of their investigation.

Goku is still pestering Zamasu for a match, until finally Gowasu orders Zamasu to indulge him. This will be a part of Zamasu’s training, and help him understand mortals better…plus it’s a chance to see how much he can restrain himself against a mortal. He tells Zamasu to hold back, but Beerus interjects, saying Zamasu definitely shouldn’t…otherwise, he might die!

Back on Earth, Trunks is wondering to himself why a Universe 10 Kaio would have the same ki as Black, when Kuririn interrupts him: Gohan’s daughter sure is cute, right? Kuririn adds that he’s got a kid of his own, though she’s quite a handful. Trunks didn’t know Kuririn was married, and asks about his wife. As Kuririn hesitates, No.18 walks in and greets Trunks: “Long time no see!” Marron also runs out and hugs Kuririn, and 18 explains that they came to check on him since he hadn’t come home.

Trunks is shocked to realize 18 is Kuririn’s wife, while Kuririn says that it’s a long story. 18 pointedly notes that Trunks killed the version of her that existed in his alternate future, and demands he pay her consolation for damages…thankfully though, she’s just joking. Trunks goes off to check on Bulma, who’s still repairing the time machine with help from the Pilaf Gang. Things are going well, and they take a break. Outside, Pilaf and Shu observe Mai’s interactions with Trunks, and are determined to help make their love blossom. They try and get Mai to show off her gentle side, but she resents their interference.

In Universe 10, Goku becomes a Super Saiyan as he prepares to fight Zamasu, who notes that this transformation raises Goku’s ki up “several dozen fold”. Goku notes that Zamasu is the first god he’s fought since Beerus, which is an even bigger surprise: if he fought Beerus, how can he still be alive? The match starts, and as Zamasu fights, Goku can sense he has a ki similar to Black’s. For his part, Zamasu can’t believe that a mortal could be so strong.

While it seems a good match, in the end Goku is victorious. He again notes how Zamasu is really strong for a Kaio; he’s even stronger than Universe 7’s Kaioshin! “Let’s fight again sometime!” Having seen the Time Rings, Beerus and Whis are content to leave; they mustn’t forget about eating dessert. Heading home, they discuss how what they’ve seen of Zamasu supports their suspicions that he and Black are one and the same. Perhaps they should destroy him now? But Goku says Zamasu didn’t seem like such a bad guy. Besides, while similar, his ki isn’t exactly the same as Black’s.

Still, the way his hand went number when he hit Zamasu reminds Goku of when he fought Beerus. Beerus is angry at being lumped in with Zamasu, insisting that he’s on a far higher level. However, Goku thinks that Zamasu still has room to improve, and may someday grow into as scary a god as Beerus.

Back in Universe 10, Zamasu thanks Gowasu for allowing him to fight Goku. Gowasu thinks this helped Zamasu gain a deeper understanding of mortals, and relieved some of the distrust he feels towards them. Zamasu says he is embarrassed to realize how inexperienced he is, which Gowasu says is proof that he’s grown. Gowasu asks Zamasu for another cup of tea, which Zamasu obediently pours.

But Zamasu’s thoughts tells a different story: “I knew it, mortals are dangerous. Son Goku, I won’t forget this!”
Edited by ThePrinceOfSaiyans, Jul 31 2016, 12:40 PM.
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Saiyans are "humans" in Dragon Ball terms. Vegeta says that an Oozaru's strength becomes "10 times that as it is as a humans". Ginyu also says that he is a "type of human".
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Aug 1 2016, 01:07 AM
It's their job to watch over mortals, but there are lots of those in the universe. No need to be so hung up on humans specifically, when other races are just as bad if Freeza's empire is any indication.
He's referring to mortals in general, not humans, as in Earthlings, in particular.
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That is true, but it would still be ridiculous to make a judgement off of humans in general from a Saiyan.

Anyway, I'll retract that particular complaint, since it seems to be a case of bad subs
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Zamasu has had a problem with "humans"/mortals for a while by the sounds of it. Heck Black had never even met Goku, and he still wanted to "make humans pay".
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I'm starting to think this may be a repeat of Piccolo and Kami. Black is the evil expelled from Zamasu by Gowasu.

As for how Zamasu ended up in Trunks' timeline, perhaps most universes don't have alternate futures, but thanks to Trunks' meddling, universe 7 does and when Zamasu or Black travelled from 10 to 7 with the time ring he fell through a 'crack' and ended up in Trunks' future where he inhabited Goku's corpse or something. Perhaps it's difficult for beings not Whis, Vados or Omni King esque to cross universes and that's how Black/Zamasu end up in the wrong place.
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I'm just glad Super Saiyan 2 was finally given proper treatment. I mean, how much effort did that really take?
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Humans is to dbz is what Homo is to us.

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Zamasu is sneaking them rings.
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I'm starting to think this may be a repeat of Piccolo and Kami. Black is the evil expelled from Zamasu by Gowasu.
I'm getting this vibe too.

Also, is anyone else getting a Broly/Paragus vibe from Zamasu and Gowasu with Gowasu trying to control Zamasu's rage.
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Ok, I don't know how accurate these speed subs are, but there are a few instances where Super Saiyan 2 Goku and Zamasu are compared to Beerus. If this is indeed the case, yeah, the 2-base theory is pretty much shot.
Dragon Ball Super Episode 53: Speed Subs
 

Gowasu: "Who is he? He's not even a god, yet his power rivals the God of Destruction!"
Beerus: "Did you say his power rivals mine!?"
Gowasu: "O-oh, excuse me!"

Dragon Ball Super Episode 53: Speed Subs
 

Goku: "Still, this tremblin' in my hand... makes me think back to when I fought Beerus-sama."
Beerus: "What!? Don't compare him to me! I'm on a completely different level!"
Goku: "Nah, he's still got plenty of room for improvement. He might become a god as strong as you...
Beerus: "Don't compare him to me! I'm on a completely different level! If you don't drop your insolence, I'll turn you into space dust."

Assuming this is true, I have to then wonder how much stronger Super Saiyan Blue is compared to Super Saiyan 3.
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Beerus: "Don't compare him to me! I'm on a completely different level! If you don't drop your insolence, I'll turn you into space dust."


Beerus' s*** attitude can really get under my skin sometimes. They won't, but I wish Goku and Vegeta would do fusion dance once just to be like "Look, b***. This can happen so watch your tone."
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Ok, I don't know how accurate these speed subs are, but there are a few instances where Super Saiyan 2 Goku and Zamasu are compared to Beerus. If this is indeed the case, yeah, the 2-base theory is pretty much shot.
Dragon Ball Super Episode 53: Speed Subs
 

Gowasu: "Who is he? He's not even a god, yet his power rivals the God of Destruction!"
Beerus: "Did you say his power rivals mine!?"
Gowasu: "O-oh, excuse me!"

Dragon Ball Super Episode 53: Speed Subs
 

Goku: "Still, this tremblin' in my hand... makes me think back to when I fought Beerus-sama."
Beerus: "What!? Don't compare him to me! I'm on a completely different level!"
Goku: "Nah, he's still got plenty of room for improvement. He might become a god as strong as you...
Beerus: "Don't compare him to me! I'm on a completely different level! If you don't drop your insolence, I'll turn you into space dust."

Assuming this is true, I have to then wonder how much stronger Super Saiyan Blue is than Super Saiyan 3.
The comparisons are incorrect, however. Goku isn't even a tenth as strong as Beers when Blupered, the only way for this to work is for the multipliers to become miniscule
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I'm just glad Super Saiyan 2 was finally given proper treatment. I mean, how much effort did that really take?
It's just a shame the fight was animated so poorly. I wonder though exactly how much of an increase SSJ and SSJ2 are at this point. "Several-dozen fold" is somewhat of an ambiguous statement. How do you interpret 'several'?
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Ok, I don't know how accurate these speed subs are, but there are a few instances where Super Saiyan 2 Goku and Zamasu are compared to Beerus. If this is indeed the case, yeah, the 2-base theory is pretty much shot.
Dragon Ball Super Episode 53: Speed Subs
 

Gowasu: "Who is he? He's not even a god, yet his power rivals the God of Destruction!"
Beerus: "Did you say his power rivals mine!?"
Gowasu: "O-oh, excuse me!"

Dragon Ball Super Episode 53: Speed Subs
 

Goku: "Still, this tremblin' in my hand... makes me think back to when I fought Beerus-sama."
Beerus: "What!? Don't compare him to me! I'm on a completely different level!"
Goku: "Nah, he's still got plenty of room for improvement. He might become a god as strong as you...
Beerus: "Don't compare him to me! I'm on a completely different level! If you don't drop your insolence, I'll turn you into space dust."

Assuming this is true, I have to then wonder how much stronger Super Saiyan Blue is than Super Saiyan 3.
The comparisons are incorrect, however. Goku isn't even a tenth as strong as Beers when Blupered, the only way for this to work is for the multipliers to become miniscule
Beerus corrects both Goku and Gowasu. I think what's being implied here is that Zamasu closing in on the level of strength Beerus and Goku displayed when Goku became a Super Saiyan God.
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It's possible, but has Beers ever shown that extent of his power to Gowasu? For all we know, Gowasu only knows him at the level he used when trouncing the Z-fighters.
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