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Super Episode 53 (31 July 2016)
Topic Started: Jul 31 2016, 12:30 AM (9,422 Views)
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Zamasu and Gowasu are pretty cool. Still don't have a clear idea as to how Goku is using his power though. All we really know is that Zamasu is way stronger than the Kaioshin in Universe 7. Although, Beerus did say Goku used Super Saiyan in a fight against him, and Gowasu was surprised he's still alive. Whether he's referring to his first battle with him or second, I'm not entirely sure, however, Goku did only use Super Saiyan 2 against Beerus in his first fight, and he was using Super Saiyan 2 against Zamasu. The 2-Base Theory becoming increasingly more likely from the looks of things.
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Whis, Beerus, and Goku are flying through space in order to investigate Zamasu, someone in Universe 10 who Whis and Beerus believe has the same ki as Black. Goku asks who exactly this “Zamasu” guy is, and Whis explains that he used to be a Kaio in Universe 10, but due to his talent for battle, he is now being groomed as the next Kaioshin.

Over in the Kaioshin Realm of Universe 10, Zamasu is serving tea to Gowasu, the senior Kaioshin. Gowasu compliments him on the delicious tea: only those pure of heart can make such good tea, which proves Zamasu’s mind is at peace. He shall humbly continue to train his mind and body in order to silently watch over the doings of mortals.

But Zamasu has something on his mind: are mortals really worth protecting? He’s observed them endlessly repeat the same cycle: first flourishing, then destroying themselves in wars. Shouldn’t they interfere to put a stop to these foolish mistakes? Gowasu explains that the role of Kaios and Kaioshins is to create and observe; only the Gods of Destruction are allowed to directly interfere. Zamasu needs to understand his own role, and learn more about mortals.

Beerus and co. arrive and greet Gowasu: It’s been a long time! Gowasu introduces Zamasu as his pupil, but Zamasu is shocked to see Goku. A mortal! What’s he doing here?! Goku very politely introduces himself: he’s a Saiyan living on Planet 4,032-Green-877 in Universe 7…aka “Earth”. Zamasu is surprised to hear that Goku is a Saiyan, and wonders why he’s hanging out with a God of Destruction.

Goku compliments Zamasu as seeming pretty strong for a Kaio, but Zamasu angrily tells Goku not to touch him. Next Goku requests a match against Zamasu, but Beerus tosses him aside, saying that can wait. He and Whis state their business: on Earth in Universe 7 there’s somebody who wears a Time Ring, despite not being a Kaioshin, and he looks exactly like Goku. Would they happen to know anything about that? Gowasu says he knows nothing about it, so next Beerus and Whis ask to see their Time Rings, to confirm that they are all present and accounted for.

Zamasu escorts them to the “temple” (while Whis notes to Beerus that Zamasu didn’t seem to know about the Time Rings). At the temple, Gowasu opens a box which contains four green Time Rings and one silver one, confirming that they are all there. He’s curious why Beerus and Whis specifically came to Universe 10 asking about something that occurred in Universe 7, but they claim to be going around to every universe as part of their investigation.

Goku is still pestering Zamasu for a match, until finally Gowasu orders Zamasu to indulge him. This will be a part of Zamasu’s training, and help him understand mortals better…plus it’s a chance to see how much he can restrain himself against a mortal. He tells Zamasu to hold back, but Beerus interjects, saying Zamasu definitely shouldn’t…otherwise, he might die!

Back on Earth, Trunks is wondering to himself why a Universe 10 Kaio would have the same ki as Black, when Kuririn interrupts him: Gohan’s daughter sure is cute, right? Kuririn adds that he’s got a kid of his own, though she’s quite a handful. Trunks didn’t know Kuririn was married, and asks about his wife. As Kuririn hesitates, No.18 walks in and greets Trunks: “Long time no see!” Marron also runs out and hugs Kuririn, and 18 explains that they came to check on him since he hadn’t come home.

Trunks is shocked to realize 18 is Kuririn’s wife, while Kuririn says that it’s a long story. 18 pointedly notes that Trunks killed the version of her that existed in his alternate future, and demands he pay her consolation for damages…thankfully though, she’s just joking. Trunks goes off to check on Bulma, who’s still repairing the time machine with help from the Pilaf Gang. Things are going well, and they take a break. Outside, Pilaf and Shu observe Mai’s interactions with Trunks, and are determined to help make their love blossom. They try and get Mai to show off her gentle side, but she resents their interference.

In Universe 10, Goku becomes a Super Saiyan as he prepares to fight Zamasu, who notes that this transformation raises Goku’s ki up “several dozen fold”. Goku notes that Zamasu is the first god he’s fought since Beerus, which is an even bigger surprise: if he fought Beerus, how can he still be alive? The match starts, and as Zamasu fights, Goku can sense he has a ki similar to Black’s. For his part, Zamasu can’t believe that a mortal could be so strong.

While it seems a good match, in the end Goku is victorious. He again notes how Zamasu is really strong for a Kaio; he’s even stronger than Universe 7’s Kaioshin! “Let’s fight again sometime!” Having seen the Time Rings, Beerus and Whis are content to leave; they mustn’t forget about eating dessert. Heading home, they discuss how what they’ve seen of Zamasu supports their suspicions that he and Black are one and the same. Perhaps they should destroy him now? But Goku says Zamasu didn’t seem like such a bad guy. Besides, while similar, his ki isn’t exactly the same as Black’s.

Still, the way his hand went number when he hit Zamasu reminds Goku of when he fought Beerus. Beerus is angry at being lumped in with Zamasu, insisting that he’s on a far higher level. However, Goku thinks that Zamasu still has room to improve, and may someday grow into as scary a god as Beerus.

Back in Universe 10, Zamasu thanks Gowasu for allowing him to fight Goku. Gowasu thinks this helped Zamasu gain a deeper understanding of mortals, and relieved some of the distrust he feels towards them. Zamasu says he is embarrassed to realize how inexperienced he is, which Gowasu says is proof that he’s grown. Gowasu asks Zamasu for another cup of tea, which Zamasu obediently pours.

But Zamasu’s thoughts tells a different story: “I knew it, mortals are dangerous. Son Goku, I won’t forget this!”
Edited by ThePrinceOfSaiyans, Jul 31 2016, 12:40 PM.
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The episode started with the tea and the elder Kaio stated that a pure hearted person pours a pure tea (or whatever words he used). At the end, the tea Zamasu was pouring began to turn black. This was also right after Goku reiterated that Zamasu and Black's power's felt similar but something was different. This could be the turning point where Zamasu becomes black.

There are issues with this as Clearin brought up
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I think Zamasu becomes evil and will end up fusioning with Black Goku becoming stronger than even Beerus himself...
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Jul 31 2016, 02:39 PM
Zamasu is just a gifted fighter. I don't think he revels in battle.
I was talking about Black, who certainly does enjoy a good fight, as Goku said.
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I suspect that Zamasu could potentially become a God of Destruction or seek to become one in order to destroy humans. This episode is full of hints, especially when Goku mentions his hand trembling...it reminded him of Beerus.

However, Zamasu likely hits a limit and seeks out Goku's body knowing that, with it, he could attain power that would "rival" Beerus' or surpass it.
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Jul 31 2016, 01:08 PM
Well, Goku was a Super Saiyan 2, but yeah, 50 times should still work for Super Saiyan.
Idk what your guys' subs said, but I read zamasu saying goku got 10x stronger when he turned ssj2. Wouldn't that make ssj a 5x multiplier and ssj2 2x ssj1?


Anyway, man f***ing pilaf gang is so annoying

Episode was good but I was we could just get a little bit more progression. Things are going too slow right now. Zamasu and gowasu are interesting though. Especially the fact the zamasu isn't that strong. That was unexpected

Whis said that it seems zamasu hasn't met goku yet. Implying that in the future, they do meet or zamasu at least hears or sees goku. It's no error we just don't have the full story yet
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Herms translates things as the episode airs. According to him, Zamasu said this:
https://twitter.com/Herms98/status/759553336047656960
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Ahh. Then yeah that pretty much proves ssj2=100x base

So does that mean anything for the 2 base theory? Or does it just mean beerus is waaaaaaay stronger than goku?
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Well, that doesn't say much for the 2-base theory, I feel. Gowasu being surprised Super Saiyan 2 Goku is alive after fighting Beerus might imply the 2-base theory is a thing since Goku's only used Super Saiyan 2 against Beerus in their first encounter.
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Wait what? Goku didn't use ssj2 against beerus he used ssj1
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A decent episode I suppose, the next episode looks much better. Goku was way too annoying in this episode and I've felt that he has been getting more annoying. Zamasu vs SS2 Goku wasn't too exciting of a fight and the anime was drawn pretty poorly again. The next episode looks pretty good and it also seems like it's going to be a well drawn one. I have a feeling Vegeta is going to teach Future Trunks how to use Super Saiyan Blue. I'd rather only have Goku and Vegeta use it, but if someone else has to have it I'm glad it's Future Trunks and not someone else.
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Jul 31 2016, 05:19 PM
Wait what? Goku didn't use ssj2 against beerus he used ssj1
He did on Kaio's planet.
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Goku used SSj, SSj2 and SSj3 against Beerus on Kaio's planet.
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The episode starts and already, Goku's being insufferable.
Why is Zamasu so focused on humans? Is his universe just barren of life or something? No one is forcing him to look out for the humans, if he feels like it, he can just focus more on whatever other life exists.
Goku's really, really getting on my nerves. It's like he was replaced by Majin Boo
Why is Zamasu insisting on calling Goku a human even when Beers called him a Saiyan? Maybe this is bad subs and he's saying "Earthling"
I can't blame Zamasu for getting ticked. I'd be ticked too if some random hick decided to start randomly touching me and asking for a fight
Seriously, what is with Goku in this episode?
I'm guessing that Goku being a "human" is just bad translation, because the insistent terminology is bizarre
Why does it matter to Goku if Zamasu is holding back? Isn't this the same guy who is motivated to fight Beers, the guy who is over ten times stronger than him?
Trunks interacting with 18 is really funny, goes to show Super is fine when handling this kind of stuff
FREAKIN' PILAF GANG STILL AREN'T FUNNY!
Can Gowasu and Zamasu not sense ki or something? They don't notice Goku's power level when he's SSJ2?
Zamasu's redirection is slick, but it's not doing him much good.
Why was Goku excited to fight this punk? He got wrecked by an SSJ2, he's not strong at all
Zamasu's salt is great
How much do you want to bet that Goku's trembling hand will never be explained and will just go the route of Beers's paralyzing eyes?
If Zamasu becomes Black just because he's salty Goku won, that'll be pitiful.

This episode really annoyed me with how bratty Goku was.
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It's the job of the Kaio and the Kaioshin to watch over mortals, isn't it?
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Why is Zamasu insisting on calling Goku a human even when Beers called him a Saiyan? Maybe this is bad subs and he's saying "Earthling"

The term Zamasu is using, Ningen, is like most Japanese words in that it has multiple meanings depending on the context. In this context, mortals would be the preferable translation, according to Herms at least.
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If Zamasu becomes Black just because he's salty Goku won, that'll be pitiful.

There seems to more to it than that. As a result of this battle, Zamasu thinks mortals are dangerous.
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It's their job to watch over mortals, but there are lots of those in the universe. No need to be so hung up on humans specifically, when other races are just as bad if Freeza's empire is any indication.
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