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| Your Gripes with Dragon Ball Super | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Jul 27 2016, 10:45 PM (2,405 Views) | |
| + ThePrinceOfSaiyans | Jul 27 2016, 10:45 PM Post #1 |
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What about this series has disappointed you, or even pissed you off? -Almost Nothing is explained. -There are contrivances out the wazoo. Vegeta somehow surpassed Gohan in a rage, Gotenks diffused after 1 minute, Freeza gets stronger than everyone else in 4 months, one of Freeza's mooks makes Piccolo look like a child after training for 4 months too, etc. -Cast usage. Jesus Christ, the case usage is abominable. I get it, not everyone can hold a candle to Goku and Vegeta, but lets be real, why do Piccolo and Gohan have take a back seat to Goku and Vegeta? Even in Dragon Ball Z, folks like Kuririn and Tenshinhan were thrown a bone every now and then. Hell, characters don't even necessarily have to be of use in battle. Just look at Bulma, she seems to manage in this series. Why can't Gohan for example do some research into Ki, and discover something that would aide the others in battle? That'd be kinda cool. -Gohan. Just Gohan. Gohan is a scholar, I get that, we get that, but that doesn't mean he has to be an incapable fighter. Hell, that little subplot where Gohan realized the importance of training in regards to the safety of his family was really interesting. Too bad it was dropped completely. I get that Gohan doesn't like fighting, but you know, there's this old saying. "With great power comes great responsibility." Gohan needs to realize that wasting his incredible potential is completely irresponsible, and that he can maintain his current lifestyle and train on the side. Not only would this be an interesting character development, one the anime almost hit on, but it'd allow Gohan to take part in the action, and you know, not get his a** kicked. -Goku. Seriously, what's likable about Goku anymore? He's regressed totally and completely. I don't think he's been this naive and silly since he was a kid. All the development he went through during the series has been flushed down the Devil's Toilet. -Vegeta's general obsession with Kakarotto. I thought that was left behind in the Boo arc. Wanting to keep up with him is fine, but preferring to die so that a copy of himself doesn't lose to Goku is just plain ridiculous. -Why the f*** aren't Goten and Trunks aging? Seriously, Trunks is just as old as his future self before Gohan died, and he looks nothing like him. -Where's Bra? I mean, Bulma isn't even pregnant yet, and she's supposed to be born soon, if not born already, right? Feel free to leave your own gripes. There are probably a few I've neglected to mention. I'll add them if I remember. Edited by ThePrinceOfSaiyans, Jul 27 2016, 10:47 PM.
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| lazerbem | Jul 27 2016, 11:56 PM Post #2 |
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-The animation and choreography can be really lack luster at times -The blatant retconning that goes on with Beers and Whis's power levels is annoying -Two arcs of blatant filler followed by an arc that was just kind of okay is really annoying. |
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| EMIYA | Jul 28 2016, 12:14 AM Post #3 |
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My biggest gripe (along with horrible animation) is the simple fact that it's a horrible written series. I'm not going to act like the original series (Mostly Pre-Boo Arc) was a masterpiece of literally genius, but it was still a decently done, and entertaining Shounen series and frankly the anime, filler and some flaws a side, probably made it even better. All of that is gone now. Screw story, screw character, screw character development, screw anything yo learned about the past, screw fun and entertaining animation, screw great music, screw intense moments, screw even decent comedy, screw consistency, screw everything. All the s*** that was done or attained by the end of the Cell Arc and whatever little was left in the Boo Arc is now gone. The last arc with Black Goku seems promising but even if that ends up being the best thing in the entire franchise (and it doesn't look like it yet) it doesn't change the mediocrity that we've had to go through. It's often said by the old people that times were better in their days and usually that's a load of crap. But here, goodness it couldn't be more true. I feel sorry for the younger generation getting into this series and Super is their introduction to DBZ. If I was that generation and hearing about how awesome DBZ was and how great it was and this was my introduction? I'd wonder what hard drugs you were taking. Edited by EMIYA, Jul 28 2016, 12:15 AM.
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| + Clearin | Jul 28 2016, 12:16 AM Post #4 |
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The show constantly wanting to act as if it's its own thing, which isn't a bad thing by itself. Plenty of reboots often take a LOT of liberties with continuity and the like. But Super is CONSTANTLY showing us Kai flashbacks as if to say "Yep we're actually acting as if Super is a direct continuation of Z" despite making very little effort to keep it consistent with past material. Bad dialogue, ranging from lines that are just weird and make no sense, to inconsistent dialogue, to not even attempting to explain things that are happening. Lack of aging. Two unneeded arcs that just retell very recent movies. Goku's character. And Vegeta's to a lesser extent. Power inconsistencies. Power in general. Things got too out of hand as soon as God powers came into it. I know Dragon Ball has always had a habit of making characters get insane power boosts, but Super has literally only had 2 old characters be relevant power-wise for the entirety of the series. The fight scenes in general have been kinda crappy. Goku's character. |
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| + Son-Goku | Jul 28 2016, 02:06 AM Post #5 |
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How many topics are going to be made about complaints with Dragon Ball Super? I mean really. |
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| Zoom | Jul 28 2016, 12:26 PM Post #6 |
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I can live with inconsistent animation, the solution is to read the manga, but the lack of a reasonable explanation irritates me, the times 'super' does offer an explanation, it's a half-arsed attempt especially when regarding Gotenks suddenly defused, no good reason why Goku is such a dick about obsessing with fighting strong opponents. Whatever happen to Goku's morals or heart he had in the beginning of Dragonball where Goku would search and gather the dragonballs to wish for his friends dad to be revived? Or in Cell arc where Goku thought Dr. Gero didn't do anything wrong in the present timeline? I understand he's a saiyanjin and he loves to fight strong opponents, but 'super' is getting out of hand like in the previous episode where Goku found out that Bulma was dead, all he was worried about is having a chance to fight Goku Black. The lack of balls from Toei/Toriyama to drop Goku from main status to secondary. Okay, I get it that Toriyama tried Gohan an he didn't fell Gohan was right, but there is Uub, Pan, or someone brand new. Also the c*** tease of Gohan and bad choreography of the fight scenes doesn't help it's cause. Edited by Zoom, Jul 28 2016, 12:28 PM.
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| superperfectnerd | Jul 28 2016, 01:39 PM Post #7 |
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The massive power ups make all he struggles fighting universal threats in Z a joke. DragonBall was just Goku experiencing strong fighters on Earth, so when Raditz came along and blew that out of the water, it made sense. Wasn't Supreme Kai chasing Babidi for thousands upon thousands of years? And yet Beerus wakes up every 30 or so...couldn't he have just ended Buu? How was the universe under threat? Frieza comes along and makes a joke of ssj3, fusions, Buu and Gohan in 4 months. There's a tiny non-ssj from another universe who can match 'saiyan beyond God Vegeta' apparently making him stronger than ssj3 Gotenks and 'mystic' Gohan, Buuhan and Vegetto. As well as a metal man who can so the same and exists in universe 7 too. |
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| Notaka | Jul 28 2016, 03:41 PM Post #8 |
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-Food obsession. I cringe every time when Whis and Beerus get a wacky reaction just by eating new food. At this point, they should have tasted almost, if not all the food earth has to offer, and what's worse they still don't know what instant noodles are. I'm watching Dragon Ball, not Masterchef. -This is an obvious point:Terrible animation.Everyone looks off-model, the fight scenes are poorly drawn save for a few fights. I can't emphasize on how terrible it is. -Flanderization of characters: Goku. Need I say more ? In case yes; He's a bigger dumba** than he was in Z AND Dragon ball. He only lives to quench his thirst for fighting. His first reaction upon learning about Black and all the mischief he's caused to Trunks' timeline:"Is he strong ?" The Goku I grew up watching was never like that. You can argue he's back to how he was back in DB, meeting strong guys and fighting them for fun. BUT: Most people that know Goku know him as a righteous guy; fighting bad guys and saving his home. And, it's okay to fight and have fun from it. Just don't do it when your against threat that can potentially destroy the universe. There's Bulma, Chi-Chi, Vegeta, Gohan and other characters, but I'm too lazy to delve into it. -The comedy in this series is out of control. Is there really time for comedy when you're fighting against Gods ? I preferred the darker and edgier story line of Z. -Poor use of the cast:The cast in this show is terribly underused, save for the gods, Goku, Vegeta and probably Bulma. I thought Z was terrible in using its cast, but Super takes it to a whole new level. Just when you thought Piccolo was going to have his time, he immediately gets knocked up, and of course, gets stolen by either Goku or Vegeta. This show should be renamed the "Goku and Vegeta show". Don't even get me started on Gohan. -The story line is meh. Only good arcs are U6 tournament(Only from Vegeta vs Cabba and up) and Black Goku arc(which kind of seems to me as a poor man's version of the Android arc.). Whoops, I forgot. That's the only arcs Super had to offer. Two of the first arcs are horrible re-tellings of decent movies. -The power-scaling is also out of control. How did we go from Solar-System busters to universe busters, to multi universes busters ? By Super, that's how. Overall, It's something decent if not compared to Z, and you don't mind the animation. If Z was 8/10, and Dragon Ball was 9/10, Super would be a 6/10. Edited by Notaka, Jul 28 2016, 03:42 PM.
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| Sam | Jul 28 2016, 03:45 PM Post #9 |
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The aforementioned issues with Gohan, being too Goku/Vegeta oriented... the comedy is not so organic and the power scaling makes even less sense. Toriyama seems to really have lost a lot of his logical thinking when he made Super. It gets just irritating after awhile with Whis and Beerus going nuts over food. It's inorganic comedy and was only amusing during BotG. |
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| aevong | Jul 28 2016, 06:02 PM Post #10 |
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-Gokus character. In Super his character is just annoying in ALL ASPECTS, and I would honestly enjoy seeing him get his a*** kicked. Its funny because Vegeta has progressed more as a character, while goku has regrrssed. -Ass pull power ups. Im usually not to concerned about this, but friezas four month power up was absolutely ridiculous, as well as his design. - I know everyone has made this point, but the animation is just horrendous. Seriously, it makes it very difficult to get entranced in a fight when the story is mediocre, the music is bland, and the fight is poorly animated. - The Universe tournament was only necessary for introducing Hit and the king of everything. All of the bickering that we saw between beerus and champa, and the serious overtone of what beerus would wish for was thrown out of the window when he wished for a universe 6 earth. - Beerus is annoying because all we have seem him do to this point is go insane over food, and incessantly whine. Atleast Whis has does useful things like transferring them around, training vegeta and goku etc. - One of the biggest issues for me is super attempting to alter the dbz storyline with new characters. For example, when Whis says that it was Beerus who ordered frieza to destroy planet Vegeta. WHY?? There is no need for that to be added in any situation. - Due to all of the new transformations, the original super saiyan design has lost all of its luster. It sucks because i know for a fact were going to experience the skittle saiyan hair trend. |
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Jul 28 2016, 08:16 PM Post #11 |
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My biggest complaint is the lack of aging. Aging was never a problem in regular DB. |
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