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| Tweet Topic Started: Jul 23 2016, 04:49 AM (2,004 Views) | |
| + supersaqer | Jul 23 2016, 04:49 AM Post #1 |
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I haven't seen the series past the first episode (I've watched both movies though), so I don't know much about it. How does it fit in the series? |
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| + Clearin | Jul 23 2016, 12:02 PM Post #2 |
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It definitely doesn't fit with GT. There's a lot of problems with it fitting in with EoZ too. Not the least of which is Goku telling Vegeta about Oob, despite that being a surprise to him at the actual tournament. But obviously since there's a grand total of like 2 chapters between Boo's death and the end of the manga, there's not a whole lot that can be contradicted. But Super went ahead and contradicted them all anyway. |
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| Tinny | Jul 23 2016, 12:25 PM Post #3 |
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It should also be noted that it introduces characters and situation straight from the dbz anime filler, so I guess one could say that it flows from the anime, but it should also be noted (this was recently brought to my attention) that hell in the anime looks rather different than the hell portrayed in DBS, though I'm not sure how much of a contradiction this is until I look further in. From what I've generally seen overall, it exists inside it's own bubble. You really have top to keep mind the whole "canon is what you make of it" thing with Super, trying to connect it to anything in specific kind of fails in some way. |
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| * Ketchup Revenge | Jul 23 2016, 01:19 PM Post #4 |
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Yea, it kind of trumps the last chapter of the manga with Oob. Considering that Bulma said they hadn't seen Goku in five years, but right now, it's about 5 years after Boo (5 years before Oob), and there's obviously more to come with Black and the 12 Universe Tournament. Not to mention that there's no sign of Bra, who was around the same age as Pan, maybe older. That's the biggest contradiction I see. Or as a lazy excuse, we could say that the "10 years later" talks place in one of the other 12 universes, to which leads up to GT, which also takes place in that Universe too. Edited by Ketchup Revenge, Jul 23 2016, 01:23 PM.
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| Thiln | Jul 23 2016, 01:22 PM Post #5 |
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It doesn't really fit - unassailable power inflation, the lack of any birth references to Bra, contradictory ages, Kibitokai defusing, and ect. What's safe to conclude is that Super has diverged quite a bit from the straight path that the original manga was on. I would hope the writers and Toriyama would acknowledge this and admit to it being a reinterpretation of the canon series. From there the creative license would be opened up more since they're working with a blank slate. Nothing has to coincide with an ending that happened twenty years ago. They can redo the eventual ending with up to date references and acknowledgement of Super's timeline. |
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| * Ketchup Revenge | Jul 23 2016, 01:25 PM Post #6 |
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The problem is that there is no distinguished "canon", therefore Toriyama isn't under an obligation to admit anything. The only thing he'd be obligated to address is that it's inconsistent. |
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| + ThePrinceOfSaiyans | Jul 23 2016, 01:42 PM Post #7 |
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Taking into consideration it's current ending, it doesn't, plain and simple. |
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| + Son-Goku | Jul 23 2016, 05:54 PM Post #8 |
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It fits perfectly so far, about the only thing that we need is Bra. If she isn't born in this year that Dragon Ball Super is in then things are going to get screwy, besides that there isn't anything that doesn't fit with the end of Z. |
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| StrenuousSpider | Jul 23 2016, 06:26 PM Post #9 |
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it simply is just going to retcon the ending. I mean its nothing new toriyama did it with gokus origin and buus origin. so I see no problem with it fitting in. |
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| Vaynarion | Jul 24 2016, 01:09 PM Post #10 |
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It's no secret that Super as a whole when you talk about where it fits in with the overall story of the anime and it's other incarnations, Super is a bit of a big mess. I know. That's a little shocking coming from me who to most here, I seem to love Super and find nothing wrong with it. But I digress... If you have any interest and can get past all the rehashing of the first...what is it guys, 30-37 episodes? Then I think that you might find something you like about Super. Personally for me it has a lot to do with nostalgia. Despite inconsistency, despite obvious poor pacing, and despite the animation, even the writing. I like Super, but I don't love it. Where others see Toriyama and the writers not giving the shows fans what they should expect or deserve from the show, I do see that they're trying to please who they can. Not everyone will be pleased, there will be division no matter what. Last time I checked though, the positive feedback of Super still outweighed the negative. If the show was doing so poorly, it wouldn't have gotten this far. |
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