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| SSJ3 vegito vs SSG gokuv(not a battle. but power) | |
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| Amerson26 | Jul 24 2016, 06:02 AM Post #31 |
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Beerus pretty much one shot goku. When was getting one shot a clear indicator question mark? Lol you the one with the brain damage boy. Now go play your xenoverse buddy boy ;-) Edited by Amerson26, Jul 24 2016, 06:04 AM.
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| Slifer | Jul 24 2016, 06:13 AM Post #32 |
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Why is there so much hostility here? Both of you need to calm down and grow up before a mod takes control and shuts this down. Come on. |
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| Thiln | Jul 24 2016, 06:35 AM Post #33 |
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I haven't watched the BoG arc of Super personally, but from my understanding of the movie, it appeared as if God Ki, while a quick and effective means of attaining power that can launch a fighter such as Goku into Beerus's spectrum, is not intrinsically necessary to match beings of that specific order. For instance - Vegeta after becoming enraged saw a spike in his power that allowed him to momentarily resist Beerus's attacks and even draw blood from him; all of this being accomplished while he was just an SSJ2. Furthermore, Frieza, untapped "genius" potential or not, using nondescript training methods skyrocketed him up from being inferior to Namek arc SSJ Goku to unlocking a new transformation which allowed him to maintain an advantage over SSJB Goku. So in relation to God Ki or SSJG Goku, I think there's some wiggle room that could be made for SSJ3 Vegito. He should logically retain the traits from his original fusion components, yes? That would entail powering up to his maximum like Goku attempted in the Buu arc. Furthermore, who is to say Vegito isn't capable of acquiring the same enraged power up that Vegeta somehow miraculously gained? If a combination of circumstances like that could allow Vegeta to momentarily pressure a suppressed Beerus, why couldn't the same be disputed for the vastly superior Vegito using a superior form against a greatly weaker opponent? |
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| + Solid Snake | Jul 24 2016, 07:06 PM Post #34 |
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Vegeta becoming enraged just pushed him passed a hypothetical Super Saiyan 3 Vegito, who'd more or less equal Beerus back on North Kaio's planet. Despite how big the power increase was it still didn't bother Beerus. The ides you're proposing is the ki vs God ki sentiment. No one is arguing ki users can't hurt God ki users but the idea that Super Saiyan 3 Vegito BoG saga and further can't do nothing to Beerus cause he's inferior to Super Saiyan 2 enraged Vegeta. Vegito couldn't or could possibly have that ability but it has to be triggered and with Goku's state of mind balancing out Vegeta's persona to a degree, I doubt he'll even use it. Plus it has to be triggered with Bulma as the catalyst. |
![]() Shinnozou tomete kureru! ~ Evil Ryu SSJG and SSJ4 Goku Sig Dragon Ball: Ultimate Road Story Naruto and Goku's Adventure Story
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| Thiln | Jul 24 2016, 07:34 PM Post #35 |
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Was it ever established that Beerus's power remained consistently stagnant when he was confronted by Vegeta? I ask this because characters' power can easily fluctuate depending on the whim of the user. As for God Ki relative to normal Ki - my point was that beings with enough potential and strength don't require God Ki to achieve some kind of effect. Vegito is likely one of those candidates because of his amalgamated potential from two of the "greatest masters" in all the universe according to Elder Kai and the potency of the Potara Earrings working together. With regards to your comment about Vegito not matching up to Vegeta's performance - Goku never provided any specifics as to how well a hypothetical BoG Vegito would do. This is the exact line according to Herms' translation. Goku: “This ain’t good. The only way to get stronger would be to merge with Vegeta…and even then, I don’t think I could win.” Underperforming against Beerus to the point where you have little to no confidence in your ability for winning encompasses a fairly large spectrum of power - one which both Vegito and enaraged SSJ2 Vegeta happen to occupy. An uncertainty of Vegito's chances arguably speaks more volumes than Vegeta's desperation outburst. One was briefly considered to be the primary means of resistance against Beerus while the other was more or less a Gohan inspired spike in power which had about as much impact as Namek arc Gohan attacking 2nd form Frieza. Both characters are susceptible to outbursts of fury. Goku's incidents are merely less prevalent since he's grown to psychologically depend on the Dragonballs to such an unhealthy degree that not even watching his family and friends, including his best friend Krillin, get butchered by Super Buu stirs any kind of intense reaction from him. |
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| + Solid Snake | Jul 24 2016, 08:46 PM Post #36 |
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No, there isn't any proof he was at the same level from his time on Kaio's world and to earth. But in the anime at least, he directly compares Vegeta raged out to Goku shortly after the short battle ended. This same Goku couldn't force him to "10%" of his power and was uncertain of merging with Vegeta would help. I get what you mean on God ki vs ki, but Vegito, despite having loads of potential, doesn't mean he could use this in a battle if he doesn't has a trigger effect. Say he does have Vegeta plot induced rage boost, how will he bring it out without Bulma? That comment was made when Beerus was in his slumber so he could've likely taken the #1 spot. True it's not specific, but it's our way of knowing where a current union of the two of Vegito's components will lie. The quote signifies that Vegito may or may not be enough to defeat Beerus on North Kaio's world. |
![]() Shinnozou tomete kureru! ~ Evil Ryu SSJG and SSJ4 Goku Sig Dragon Ball: Ultimate Road Story Naruto and Goku's Adventure Story
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| Thiln | Jul 25 2016, 06:12 AM Post #37 |
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Vegito has more than just Vegeta's emotional connections in his mind. Rage induced power increases can be fostered by watching someone close to the person in question being attacked or killed. In Goku's case, his trigger usually seems to involve the death of Krillin, though seeing the condition of his other friends when he arrived in the Saiyan arc did precipitate a seething responce from him towards Nappa. Although I don't believe that Vegeta's imitative mockery of Gohan's most defining trait would be enough to somehow push him from being inferior to Goku in a normal state of mind to surpassing a being who is leagues ahead of him in Base alone; not even Gohan's rage increases granted him that much power. Being unsure about a fusion's chances still seems better compared with Vegeta barely leaving any dent using his strongest technique. |
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