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SSJ3 vegito vs SSG gokuv(not a battle. but power)
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Topic Started: Jul 14 2016, 03:12 PM (7,386 Views)
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Jul 23 2016, 09:54 AM
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Not sensing God ki is irrelevant. If there's a line from Goku saying fusion can't beat Beerus, then it's there for a reason. If you want to ignore and go against it with no backing, that's up to you. Doesn't change what we're given, and what we're given says a fusion from Super (mind you, BoG-arc Vegetto > Boo-arc Vegetto) isn't enough.
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Jul 23 2016, 10:06 AM
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Not sensing God ki is irrelevant. If there's a line from Goku saying fusion can't beat Beerus, then it's there for a reason. If you want to ignore and go against it with no backing, that's up to you. Doesn't change what we're given, and what we're given says a fusion from Super (mind you, BoG-arc Vegetto > Boo-arc Vegetto) isn't enough. How is not sensing god ki irrelevant? That's would be the whole point of why he think fusion not enough. you say we was giving ssjg>fusion just like we was given goku can't sense god ki right. Which wouldn't make any sense. And how would goku know how strong BoG arc vegito would be? I'm actually perfectly fine with ssjg>vegito. Unit you guys start doing stuff like ssjg>>>>>>>>>vegito when you don't know by how much or vegito full power. And didn't goku say I don't think that fusion would be enough? If that's the case that would mean he's unsure which make more sense.
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Not sensing God ki is irrelevant. If there's a line from Goku saying fusion can't beat Beerus, then it's there for a reason. If you want to ignore and go against it with no backing, that's up to you. Doesn't change what we're given, and what we're given says a fusion from Super (mind you, BoG-arc Vegetto > Boo-arc Vegetto) isn't enough.
How is not sensing god ki irrelevant? That's would be the whole point of why he think fusion not enough. you say we was giving ssjg>fusion just like we was given goku can't sense god ki right. Which wouldn't make any sense. And how would goku know how strong BoG arc vegito would be? I'm actually perfectly fine with ssjg>vegito. Unit you guys start doing stuff like ssjg>>>>>>>>>vegito when you don't know by how much or vegito full power. And didn't goku say I don't think that fusion would be enough? If that's the case that would mean he's unsure which make more sense. You have to see though, that statement was made to a heavily suppress Beerus. If Goku's saying he's unsure if Fusion will be enough just tells us that BoG Super Saiyan 3 Vegito is likely somewhere around this suppressed Beerus. Goku's statement about Super Saiyan God being an entirely different realm of power he couldn't reach on his own speaks volumes, he made it seems like it was vastly more powerful then whatever came prior to it.
That's the reason Super Saiyan God Goku is massively stronger then BoG Super Saiyan 3 Vegito. 2-10x gap from the two, I don't have him 100x or more stronger though.
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Jul 23 2016, 05:06 PM
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Not sensing God ki is irrelevant. If there's a line from Goku saying fusion can't beat Beerus, then it's there for a reason. If you want to ignore and go against it with no backing, that's up to you. Doesn't change what we're given, and what we're given says a fusion from Super (mind you, BoG-arc Vegetto > Boo-arc Vegetto) isn't enough.
How is not sensing god ki irrelevant? That's would be the whole point of why he think fusion not enough. you say we was giving ssjg>fusion just like we was given goku can't sense god ki right. Which wouldn't make any sense. And how would goku know how strong BoG arc vegito would be? I'm actually perfectly fine with ssjg>vegito. Unit you guys start doing stuff like ssjg>>>>>>>>>vegito when you don't know by how much or vegito full power. And didn't goku say I don't think that fusion would be enough? If that's the case that would mean he's unsure which make more sense.
You have to see though, that statement was made to a heavily suppress Beerus. If Goku's saying he's unsure if Fusion will be enough just tells us that BoG Super Saiyan 3 Vegito is likely somewhere around this suppressed Beerus. Goku's statement about Super Saiyan God being an entirely different realm of power he couldn't reach on his own speaks volumes, he made it seems like it was vastly more powerful then whatever came prior to it. That's the reason Super Saiyan God Goku is massively stronger then BoG Super Saiyan 3 Vegito. 2-10x gap from the two, I don't have him 100x or more stronger though. It don't matter if beerus suppress or not. How would goku know that if he can't sense his god ki. That's just like when the ginyu force couldn't since goku when he land on namek. What am saying is we don't how much stronger versus is over vegito. But fans are just boost him up over a unsure line. So yeah at most I go with 1-5 times stronger. As far that 1000 times stronger that's non sense. Unit proven other wise. No one not even the fan predict how much stronger beerus is. All they can do is assume what they feel fit.
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Not sensing God ki is irrelevant. If there's a line from Goku saying fusion can't beat Beerus, then it's there for a reason. If you want to ignore and go against it with no backing, that's up to you. Doesn't change what we're given, and what we're given says a fusion from Super (mind you, BoG-arc Vegetto > Boo-arc Vegetto) isn't enough.
How is not sensing god ki irrelevant? That's would be the whole point of why he think fusion not enough. you say we was giving ssjg>fusion just like we was given goku can't sense god ki right. Which wouldn't make any sense. And how would goku know how strong BoG arc vegito would be? I'm actually perfectly fine with ssjg>vegito. Unit you guys start doing stuff like ssjg>>>>>>>>>vegito when you don't know by how much or vegito full power. And didn't goku say I don't think that fusion would be enough? If that's the case that would mean he's unsure which make more sense.
You have to see though, that statement was made to a heavily suppress Beerus. If Goku's saying he's unsure if Fusion will be enough just tells us that BoG Super Saiyan 3 Vegito is likely somewhere around this suppressed Beerus. Goku's statement about Super Saiyan God being an entirely different realm of power he couldn't reach on his own speaks volumes, he made it seems like it was vastly more powerful then whatever came prior to it. That's the reason Super Saiyan God Goku is massively stronger then BoG Super Saiyan 3 Vegito. 2-10x gap from the two, I don't have him 100x or more stronger though.
It don't matter if beerus suppress or not. How would goku know that if he can't sense his god ki. That's just like when the ginyu force couldn't since goku when he land on namek. What am saying is we don't how much stronger versus is over vegito. But fans are just boost him up over a unsure line. So yeah at most I go with 1-5 times stronger. As far that 1000 times stronger that's non sense. Unit proven other wise. No one not even the fan predict how much stronger beerus is. All they can do is assume what they feel fit. Frieza knew how strong Goku was without being able to sense KI. Fighting someone is an obvious indicator of strength. Stupid point you brought up.
Anyways, ssjg is easily massively stronger than ssj3 vegito.
SBG alone 1 shots Buuhan easily. Base vegito however is most likely weaker than buuhan in the canon since in the manga he went straight ssj never fought Buu in base. This would put ssj2 Goku in super above ssj3 vegito in Z. Godmode put Goku somewhere higher than he is even in super.
I'd put ssjg easily <50x higher than ssj3 vegito
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Jul 23 2016, 05:52 PM
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Not sensing God ki is irrelevant. If there's a line from Goku saying fusion can't beat Beerus, then it's there for a reason. If you want to ignore and go against it with no backing, that's up to you. Doesn't change what we're given, and what we're given says a fusion from Super (mind you, BoG-arc Vegetto > Boo-arc Vegetto) isn't enough.
How is not sensing god ki irrelevant? That's would be the whole point of why he think fusion not enough. you say we was giving ssjg>fusion just like we was given goku can't sense god ki right. Which wouldn't make any sense. And how would goku know how strong BoG arc vegito would be? I'm actually perfectly fine with ssjg>vegito. Unit you guys start doing stuff like ssjg>>>>>>>>>vegito when you don't know by how much or vegito full power. And didn't goku say I don't think that fusion would be enough? If that's the case that would mean he's unsure which make more sense.
You have to see though, that statement was made to a heavily suppress Beerus. If Goku's saying he's unsure if Fusion will be enough just tells us that BoG Super Saiyan 3 Vegito is likely somewhere around this suppressed Beerus. Goku's statement about Super Saiyan God being an entirely different realm of power he couldn't reach on his own speaks volumes, he made it seems like it was vastly more powerful then whatever came prior to it. That's the reason Super Saiyan God Goku is massively stronger then BoG Super Saiyan 3 Vegito. 2-10x gap from the two, I don't have him 100x or more stronger though.
It don't matter if beerus suppress or not. How would goku know that if he can't sense his god ki. That's just like when the ginyu force couldn't since goku when he land on namek. What am saying is we don't how much stronger versus is over vegito. But fans are just boost him up over a unsure line. So yeah at most I go with 1-5 times stronger. As far that 1000 times stronger that's non sense. Unit proven other wise. No one not even the fan predict how much stronger beerus is. All they can do is assume what they feel fit.
Frieza knew how strong Goku was without being able to sense KI. Fighting someone is an obvious indicator of strength. Stupid point you brought up. Anyways, ssjg is easily massively stronger than ssj3 vegito. SBG alone 1 shots Buuhan easily. Base vegito however is most likely weaker than buuhan in the canon since in the manga he went straight ssj never fought Buu in base. This would put ssj2 Goku in super above ssj3 vegito in Z. Godmode put Goku somewhere higher than he is even in super. I'd put ssjg easily <50x higher than ssj3 vegito Stupid point ? Freeze is one person who went through some changes his self. But no other z fighter could sense god ki. Freeze didn't even know his own power was decreasing. And there you go you just can't assume ask g goku can do that. It don't work like that. Am pretty sure you gone used ssj3 gotenk getting push to the side by vegeta copy. That's not surpriseing cell did the same thing to vegeta . So your point is stupid buddy 🤗
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Not sensing God ki is irrelevant. If there's a line from Goku saying fusion can't beat Beerus, then it's there for a reason. If you want to ignore and go against it with no backing, that's up to you. Doesn't change what we're given, and what we're given says a fusion from Super (mind you, BoG-arc Vegetto > Boo-arc Vegetto) isn't enough.
How is not sensing god ki irrelevant? That's would be the whole point of why he think fusion not enough. you say we was giving ssjg>fusion just like we was given goku can't sense god ki right. Which wouldn't make any sense. And how would goku know how strong BoG arc vegito would be? I'm actually perfectly fine with ssjg>vegito. Unit you guys start doing stuff like ssjg>>>>>>>>>vegito when you don't know by how much or vegito full power. And didn't goku say I don't think that fusion would be enough? If that's the case that would mean he's unsure which make more sense.
You have to see though, that statement was made to a heavily suppress Beerus. If Goku's saying he's unsure if Fusion will be enough just tells us that BoG Super Saiyan 3 Vegito is likely somewhere around this suppressed Beerus. Goku's statement about Super Saiyan God being an entirely different realm of power he couldn't reach on his own speaks volumes, he made it seems like it was vastly more powerful then whatever came prior to it. That's the reason Super Saiyan God Goku is massively stronger then BoG Super Saiyan 3 Vegito. 2-10x gap from the two, I don't have him 100x or more stronger though.
It don't matter if beerus suppress or not. How would goku know that if he can't sense his god ki. That's just like when the ginyu force couldn't since goku when he land on namek. What am saying is we don't how much stronger versus is over vegito. But fans are just boost him up over a unsure line. So yeah at most I go with 1-5 times stronger. As far that 1000 times stronger that's non sense. Unit proven other wise. No one not even the fan predict how much stronger beerus is. All they can do is assume what they feel fit.
Frieza knew how strong Goku was without being able to sense KI. Fighting someone is an obvious indicator of strength. Stupid point you brought up. Anyways, ssjg is easily massively stronger than ssj3 vegito. SBG alone 1 shots Buuhan easily. Base vegito however is most likely weaker than buuhan in the canon since in the manga he went straight ssj never fought Buu in base. This would put ssj2 Goku in super above ssj3 vegito in Z. Godmode put Goku somewhere higher than he is even in super. I'd put ssjg easily <50x higher than ssj3 vegito
Stupid point ? Freeze is one person who went through some changes his self. But no other z fighter could sense god ki. Freeze didn't even know his own power was decreasing. And there you go you just can't assume ask g goku can do that. It don't work like that. Am pretty sure you gone used ssj3 gotenk getting push to the side by vegeta copy. That's not surpriseing cell did the same thing to vegeta . So your point is stupid buddy 🤗 If you can't sense someone's power to gauge their strength, the next best options are: to see them fight, or do battle with them yourself. Doing battle yourself is the better way cause you can feel the gap from the fight itself. Remember, Piccolo questioned Goku if they could defeat the androids but Goku replied he doesn't know and will tell him after he's tried. At the least, they were expecting foes stronger then they were 3 years prior to the androids coming.
Again with Dabura, they couldn't sense the Majin's ki but they knew based on his movements that he was tough but nothing they couldn't handle. Goku deduced he was around Perfect Cell's level before he saw more of fighting, it wasn't until during his battle with Gohan that Goku given him a higher placement cause he saw that he knew magic too.
Sensing ki isn't the sole way to tell someone's power is basically what I'm getting at.
Goku doubting why fusion wouldn't work is because he was once apart of the fusion and vividly saw how strong he was. Recall Goku proclaiming he could've beaten Kid Buu in one blast if he had the Potara? How could Goku know that unless he's experienced the power of Potara and actually fought Kid Buu? Just cause they've gotten stronger doesn't mean the boost will change. If Potara multiplied their power by a 100, then that's how much it will multiply them, weaker or stronger, it will ALWAYS be the same boosts.
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Not sensing God ki is irrelevant. If there's a line from Goku saying fusion can't beat Beerus, then it's there for a reason. If you want to ignore and go against it with no backing, that's up to you. Doesn't change what we're given, and what we're given says a fusion from Super (mind you, BoG-arc Vegetto > Boo-arc Vegetto) isn't enough.
How is not sensing god ki irrelevant? That's would be the whole point of why he think fusion not enough. you say we was giving ssjg>fusion just like we was given goku can't sense god ki right. Which wouldn't make any sense. And how would goku know how strong BoG arc vegito would be? I'm actually perfectly fine with ssjg>vegito. Unit you guys start doing stuff like ssjg>>>>>>>>>vegito when you don't know by how much or vegito full power. And didn't goku say I don't think that fusion would be enough? If that's the case that would mean he's unsure which make more sense.
You have to see though, that statement was made to a heavily suppress Beerus. If Goku's saying he's unsure if Fusion will be enough just tells us that BoG Super Saiyan 3 Vegito is likely somewhere around this suppressed Beerus. Goku's statement about Super Saiyan God being an entirely different realm of power he couldn't reach on his own speaks volumes, he made it seems like it was vastly more powerful then whatever came prior to it. That's the reason Super Saiyan God Goku is massively stronger then BoG Super Saiyan 3 Vegito. 2-10x gap from the two, I don't have him 100x or more stronger though.
It don't matter if beerus suppress or not. How would goku know that if he can't sense his god ki. That's just like when the ginyu force couldn't since goku when he land on namek. What am saying is we don't how much stronger versus is over vegito. But fans are just boost him up over a unsure line. So yeah at most I go with 1-5 times stronger. As far that 1000 times stronger that's non sense. Unit proven other wise. No one not even the fan predict how much stronger beerus is. All they can do is assume what they feel fit.
Frieza knew how strong Goku was without being able to sense KI. Fighting someone is an obvious indicator of strength. Stupid point you brought up. Anyways, ssjg is easily massively stronger than ssj3 vegito. SBG alone 1 shots Buuhan easily. Base vegito however is most likely weaker than buuhan in the canon since in the manga he went straight ssj never fought Buu in base. This would put ssj2 Goku in super above ssj3 vegito in Z. Godmode put Goku somewhere higher than he is even in super. I'd put ssjg easily <50x higher than ssj3 vegito
Stupid point ? Freeze is one person who went through some changes his self. But no other z fighter could sense god ki. Freeze didn't even know his own power was decreasing. And there you go you just can't assume ask g goku can do that. It don't work like that. Am pretty sure you gone used ssj3 gotenk getting push to the side by vegeta copy. That's not surpriseing cell did the same thing to vegeta . So your point is stupid buddy 🤗 I was talking about the original GOku VS Frieza and you brought up another stupid point. Regular training doesn't help you attain god powers.
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Not sensing God ki is irrelevant. If there's a line from Goku saying fusion can't beat Beerus, then it's there for a reason. If you want to ignore and go against it with no backing, that's up to you. Doesn't change what we're given, and what we're given says a fusion from Super (mind you, BoG-arc Vegetto > Boo-arc Vegetto) isn't enough.
How is not sensing god ki irrelevant? That's would be the whole point of why he think fusion not enough. you say we was giving ssjg>fusion just like we was given goku can't sense god ki right. Which wouldn't make any sense. And how would goku know how strong BoG arc vegito would be? I'm actually perfectly fine with ssjg>vegito. Unit you guys start doing stuff like ssjg>>>>>>>>>vegito when you don't know by how much or vegito full power. And didn't goku say I don't think that fusion would be enough? If that's the case that would mean he's unsure which make more sense.
You have to see though, that statement was made to a heavily suppress Beerus. If Goku's saying he's unsure if Fusion will be enough just tells us that BoG Super Saiyan 3 Vegito is likely somewhere around this suppressed Beerus. Goku's statement about Super Saiyan God being an entirely different realm of power he couldn't reach on his own speaks volumes, he made it seems like it was vastly more powerful then whatever came prior to it. That's the reason Super Saiyan God Goku is massively stronger then BoG Super Saiyan 3 Vegito. 2-10x gap from the two, I don't have him 100x or more stronger though.
It don't matter if beerus suppress or not. How would goku know that if he can't sense his god ki. That's just like when the ginyu force couldn't since goku when he land on namek. What am saying is we don't how much stronger versus is over vegito. But fans are just boost him up over a unsure line. So yeah at most I go with 1-5 times stronger. As far that 1000 times stronger that's non sense. Unit proven other wise. No one not even the fan predict how much stronger beerus is. All they can do is assume what they feel fit.
Frieza knew how strong Goku was without being able to sense KI. Fighting someone is an obvious indicator of strength. Stupid point you brought up. Anyways, ssjg is easily massively stronger than ssj3 vegito. SBG alone 1 shots Buuhan easily. Base vegito however is most likely weaker than buuhan in the canon since in the manga he went straight ssj never fought Buu in base. This would put ssj2 Goku in super above ssj3 vegito in Z. Godmode put Goku somewhere higher than he is even in super. I'd put ssjg easily <50x higher than ssj3 vegito I have ssjg 70x ssj3 vegito and beerus 100x ssj3 vegito This is going of manga tho.
from what I know and heard beerus used 0.1% against ssj3 and the rest.which to me makes perfect sense.
so you take ssj3 power lets say its 400 divide it by 0.1 you get 4000. so 0.1% power is 4000 times stronger than than ssj3. 4000 x 400 which is 1600000 times that by 10 for 1% power it equals 16000000 which is what I have ssj3 vegito at going off the whole ssj gotenks pre roast is equal to ssj3 and all.
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Not sensing God ki is irrelevant. If there's a line from Goku saying fusion can't beat Beerus, then it's there for a reason. If you want to ignore and go against it with no backing, that's up to you. Doesn't change what we're given, and what we're given says a fusion from Super (mind you, BoG-arc Vegetto > Boo-arc Vegetto) isn't enough.
How is not sensing god ki irrelevant? That's would be the whole point of why he think fusion not enough. you say we was giving ssjg>fusion just like we was given goku can't sense god ki right. Which wouldn't make any sense. And how would goku know how strong BoG arc vegito would be? I'm actually perfectly fine with ssjg>vegito. Unit you guys start doing stuff like ssjg>>>>>>>>>vegito when you don't know by how much or vegito full power. And didn't goku say I don't think that fusion would be enough? If that's the case that would mean he's unsure which make more sense.
You have to see though, that statement was made to a heavily suppress Beerus. If Goku's saying he's unsure if Fusion will be enough just tells us that BoG Super Saiyan 3 Vegito is likely somewhere around this suppressed Beerus. Goku's statement about Super Saiyan God being an entirely different realm of power he couldn't reach on his own speaks volumes, he made it seems like it was vastly more powerful then whatever came prior to it. That's the reason Super Saiyan God Goku is massively stronger then BoG Super Saiyan 3 Vegito. 2-10x gap from the two, I don't have him 100x or more stronger though.
It don't matter if beerus suppress or not. How would goku know that if he can't sense his god ki. That's just like when the ginyu force couldn't since goku when he land on namek. What am saying is we don't how much stronger versus is over vegito. But fans are just boost him up over a unsure line. So yeah at most I go with 1-5 times stronger. As far that 1000 times stronger that's non sense. Unit proven other wise. No one not even the fan predict how much stronger beerus is. All they can do is assume what they feel fit.
Frieza knew how strong Goku was without being able to sense KI. Fighting someone is an obvious indicator of strength. Stupid point you brought up. Anyways, ssjg is easily massively stronger than ssj3 vegito. SBG alone 1 shots Buuhan easily. Base vegito however is most likely weaker than buuhan in the canon since in the manga he went straight ssj never fought Buu in base. This would put ssj2 Goku in super above ssj3 vegito in Z. Godmode put Goku somewhere higher than he is even in super. I'd put ssjg easily <50x higher than ssj3 vegito
Stupid point ? Freeze is one person who went through some changes his self. But no other z fighter could sense god ki. Freeze didn't even know his own power was decreasing. And there you go you just can't assume ask g goku can do that. It don't work like that. Am pretty sure you gone used ssj3 gotenk getting push to the side by vegeta copy. That's not surpriseing cell did the same thing to vegeta . So your point is stupid buddy 🤗
If you can't sense someone's power to gauge their strength, the next best options are: to see them fight, or do battle with them yourself. Doing battle yourself is the better way cause you can feel the gap from the fight itself. Remember, Piccolo questioned Goku if they could defeat the androids but Goku replied he doesn't know and will tell him after he's tried. At the least, they were expecting foes stronger then they were 3 years prior to the androids coming. Again with Dabura, they couldn't sense the Majin's ki but they knew based on his movements that he was tough but nothing they couldn't handle. Goku deduced he was around Perfect Cell's level before he saw more of fighting, it wasn't until during his battle with Gohan that Goku given him a higher placement cause he saw that he knew magic too. Sensing ki isn't the sole way to tell someone's power is basically what I'm getting at. Goku doubting why fusion wouldn't work is because he was once apart of the fusion and vividly saw how strong he was. Recall Goku proclaiming he could've beaten Kid Buu in one blast if he had the Potara? How could Goku know that unless he's experienced the power of Potara and actually fought Kid Buu? Just cause they've gotten stronger doesn't mean the boost will change. If Potara multiplied their power by a 100, then that's how much it will multiply them, weaker or stronger, it will ALWAYS be the same boosts. The different between those characters and beers is that versus has god ki and cell has regular ki. As far as the Androids go piccolo wasn't even sure he could take 18 and 17 because he can't sense they power level. Cell is a different factor because he actually has regular ki.
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Not sensing God ki is irrelevant. If there's a line from Goku saying fusion can't beat Beerus, then it's there for a reason. If you want to ignore and go against it with no backing, that's up to you. Doesn't change what we're given, and what we're given says a fusion from Super (mind you, BoG-arc Vegetto > Boo-arc Vegetto) isn't enough.
How is not sensing god ki irrelevant? That's would be the whole point of why he think fusion not enough. you say we was giving ssjg>fusion just like we was given goku can't sense god ki right. Which wouldn't make any sense. And how would goku know how strong BoG arc vegito would be? I'm actually perfectly fine with ssjg>vegito. Unit you guys start doing stuff like ssjg>>>>>>>>>vegito when you don't know by how much or vegito full power. And didn't goku say I don't think that fusion would be enough? If that's the case that would mean he's unsure which make more sense.
You have to see though, that statement was made to a heavily suppress Beerus. If Goku's saying he's unsure if Fusion will be enough just tells us that BoG Super Saiyan 3 Vegito is likely somewhere around this suppressed Beerus. Goku's statement about Super Saiyan God being an entirely different realm of power he couldn't reach on his own speaks volumes, he made it seems like it was vastly more powerful then whatever came prior to it. That's the reason Super Saiyan God Goku is massively stronger then BoG Super Saiyan 3 Vegito. 2-10x gap from the two, I don't have him 100x or more stronger though.
It don't matter if beerus suppress or not. How would goku know that if he can't sense his god ki. That's just like when the ginyu force couldn't since goku when he land on namek. What am saying is we don't how much stronger versus is over vegito. But fans are just boost him up over a unsure line. So yeah at most I go with 1-5 times stronger. As far that 1000 times stronger that's non sense. Unit proven other wise. No one not even the fan predict how much stronger beerus is. All they can do is assume what they feel fit.
Frieza knew how strong Goku was without being able to sense KI. Fighting someone is an obvious indicator of strength. Stupid point you brought up. Anyways, ssjg is easily massively stronger than ssj3 vegito. SBG alone 1 shots Buuhan easily. Base vegito however is most likely weaker than buuhan in the canon since in the manga he went straight ssj never fought Buu in base. This would put ssj2 Goku in super above ssj3 vegito in Z. Godmode put Goku somewhere higher than he is even in super. I'd put ssjg easily <50x higher than ssj3 vegito
Stupid point ? Freeze is one person who went through some changes his self. But no other z fighter could sense god ki. Freeze didn't even know his own power was decreasing. And there you go you just can't assume ask g goku can do that. It don't work like that. Am pretty sure you gone used ssj3 gotenk getting push to the side by vegeta copy. That's not surpriseing cell did the same thing to vegeta . So your point is stupid buddy 🤗
I was talking about the original GOku VS Frieza and you brought up another stupid point. Regular training doesn't help you attain god powers. Um then be more Pacific in what your saying buddy😉
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Not sensing God ki is irrelevant. If there's a line from Goku saying fusion can't beat Beerus, then it's there for a reason. If you want to ignore and go against it with no backing, that's up to you. Doesn't change what we're given, and what we're given says a fusion from Super (mind you, BoG-arc Vegetto > Boo-arc Vegetto) isn't enough.
How is not sensing god ki irrelevant? That's would be the whole point of why he think fusion not enough. you say we was giving ssjg>fusion just like we was given goku can't sense god ki right. Which wouldn't make any sense. And how would goku know how strong BoG arc vegito would be? I'm actually perfectly fine with ssjg>vegito. Unit you guys start doing stuff like ssjg>>>>>>>>>vegito when you don't know by how much or vegito full power. And didn't goku say I don't think that fusion would be enough? If that's the case that would mean he's unsure which make more sense.
You have to see though, that statement was made to a heavily suppress Beerus. If Goku's saying he's unsure if Fusion will be enough just tells us that BoG Super Saiyan 3 Vegito is likely somewhere around this suppressed Beerus. Goku's statement about Super Saiyan God being an entirely different realm of power he couldn't reach on his own speaks volumes, he made it seems like it was vastly more powerful then whatever came prior to it. That's the reason Super Saiyan God Goku is massively stronger then BoG Super Saiyan 3 Vegito. 2-10x gap from the two, I don't have him 100x or more stronger though.
It don't matter if beerus suppress or not. How would goku know that if he can't sense his god ki. That's just like when the ginyu force couldn't since goku when he land on namek. What am saying is we don't how much stronger versus is over vegito. But fans are just boost him up over a unsure line. So yeah at most I go with 1-5 times stronger. As far that 1000 times stronger that's non sense. Unit proven other wise. No one not even the fan predict how much stronger beerus is. All they can do is assume what they feel fit.
Frieza knew how strong Goku was without being able to sense KI. Fighting someone is an obvious indicator of strength. Stupid point you brought up. Anyways, ssjg is easily massively stronger than ssj3 vegito. SBG alone 1 shots Buuhan easily. Base vegito however is most likely weaker than buuhan in the canon since in the manga he went straight ssj never fought Buu in base. This would put ssj2 Goku in super above ssj3 vegito in Z. Godmode put Goku somewhere higher than he is even in super. I'd put ssjg easily <50x higher than ssj3 vegito
Stupid point ? Freeze is one person who went through some changes his self. But no other z fighter could sense god ki. Freeze didn't even know his own power was decreasing. And there you go you just can't assume ask g goku can do that. It don't work like that. Am pretty sure you gone used ssj3 gotenk getting push to the side by vegeta copy. That's not surpriseing cell did the same thing to vegeta . So your point is stupid buddy 🤗
If you can't sense someone's power to gauge their strength, the next best options are: to see them fight, or do battle with them yourself. Doing battle yourself is the better way cause you can feel the gap from the fight itself. Remember, Piccolo questioned Goku if they could defeat the androids but Goku replied he doesn't know and will tell him after he's tried. At the least, they were expecting foes stronger then they were 3 years prior to the androids coming. Again with Dabura, they couldn't sense the Majin's ki but they knew based on his movements that he was tough but nothing they couldn't handle. Goku deduced he was around Perfect Cell's level before he saw more of fighting, it wasn't until during his battle with Gohan that Goku given him a higher placement cause he saw that he knew magic too. Sensing ki isn't the sole way to tell someone's power is basically what I'm getting at. Goku doubting why fusion wouldn't work is because he was once apart of the fusion and vividly saw how strong he was. Recall Goku proclaiming he could've beaten Kid Buu in one blast if he had the Potara? How could Goku know that unless he's experienced the power of Potara and actually fought Kid Buu? Just cause they've gotten stronger doesn't mean the boost will change. If Potara multiplied their power by a 100, then that's how much it will multiply them, weaker or stronger, it will ALWAYS be the same boosts.
The different between those characters and beers is that versus has god ki and cell has regular ki. As far as the Androids go piccolo wasn't even sure he could take 18 and 17 because he can't sense they power level. Cell is a different factor because he actually has regular ki. The only difference is their power source.
Gods - God ki Androids (#16, 17, 18, 19 & Gero) - inorganic energy Bio-androids (Cell & Cell Jr's.) - ki Majins (Pui Pui, Yakon, Dabura) - sorcery empowered ki "Humans" (earthlings and all aliens) - ki
The androids I was referring to was 16 - 19, they couldn't sense them but they knew and how outcomes of fights will be by observing or fighting the battles.
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Not sensing God ki is irrelevant. If there's a line from Goku saying fusion can't beat Beerus, then it's there for a reason. If you want to ignore and go against it with no backing, that's up to you. Doesn't change what we're given, and what we're given says a fusion from Super (mind you, BoG-arc Vegetto > Boo-arc Vegetto) isn't enough.
How is not sensing god ki irrelevant? That's would be the whole point of why he think fusion not enough. you say we was giving ssjg>fusion just like we was given goku can't sense god ki right. Which wouldn't make any sense. And how would goku know how strong BoG arc vegito would be? I'm actually perfectly fine with ssjg>vegito. Unit you guys start doing stuff like ssjg>>>>>>>>>vegito when you don't know by how much or vegito full power. And didn't goku say I don't think that fusion would be enough? If that's the case that would mean he's unsure which make more sense.
You have to see though, that statement was made to a heavily suppress Beerus. If Goku's saying he's unsure if Fusion will be enough just tells us that BoG Super Saiyan 3 Vegito is likely somewhere around this suppressed Beerus. Goku's statement about Super Saiyan God being an entirely different realm of power he couldn't reach on his own speaks volumes, he made it seems like it was vastly more powerful then whatever came prior to it. That's the reason Super Saiyan God Goku is massively stronger then BoG Super Saiyan 3 Vegito. 2-10x gap from the two, I don't have him 100x or more stronger though.
It don't matter if beerus suppress or not. How would goku know that if he can't sense his god ki. That's just like when the ginyu force couldn't since goku when he land on namek. What am saying is we don't how much stronger versus is over vegito. But fans are just boost him up over a unsure line. So yeah at most I go with 1-5 times stronger. As far that 1000 times stronger that's non sense. Unit proven other wise. No one not even the fan predict how much stronger beerus is. All they can do is assume what they feel fit.
Frieza knew how strong Goku was without being able to sense KI. Fighting someone is an obvious indicator of strength. Stupid point you brought up. Anyways, ssjg is easily massively stronger than ssj3 vegito. SBG alone 1 shots Buuhan easily. Base vegito however is most likely weaker than buuhan in the canon since in the manga he went straight ssj never fought Buu in base. This would put ssj2 Goku in super above ssj3 vegito in Z. Godmode put Goku somewhere higher than he is even in super. I'd put ssjg easily <50x higher than ssj3 vegito
Stupid point ? Freeze is one person who went through some changes his self. But no other z fighter could sense god ki. Freeze didn't even know his own power was decreasing. And there you go you just can't assume ask g goku can do that. It don't work like that. Am pretty sure you gone used ssj3 gotenk getting push to the side by vegeta copy. That's not surpriseing cell did the same thing to vegeta . So your point is stupid buddy 🤗
If you can't sense someone's power to gauge their strength, the next best options are: to see them fight, or do battle with them yourself. Doing battle yourself is the better way cause you can feel the gap from the fight itself. Remember, Piccolo questioned Goku if they could defeat the androids but Goku replied he doesn't know and will tell him after he's tried. At the least, they were expecting foes stronger then they were 3 years prior to the androids coming. Again with Dabura, they couldn't sense the Majin's ki but they knew based on his movements that he was tough but nothing they couldn't handle. Goku deduced he was around Perfect Cell's level before he saw more of fighting, it wasn't until during his battle with Gohan that Goku given him a higher placement cause he saw that he knew magic too. Sensing ki isn't the sole way to tell someone's power is basically what I'm getting at. Goku doubting why fusion wouldn't work is because he was once apart of the fusion and vividly saw how strong he was. Recall Goku proclaiming he could've beaten Kid Buu in one blast if he had the Potara? How could Goku know that unless he's experienced the power of Potara and actually fought Kid Buu? Just cause they've gotten stronger doesn't mean the boost will change. If Potara multiplied their power by a 100, then that's how much it will multiply them, weaker or stronger, it will ALWAYS be the same boosts.
The different between those characters and beers is that versus has god ki and cell has regular ki. As far as the Androids go piccolo wasn't even sure he could take 18 and 17 because he can't sense they power level. Cell is a different factor because he actually has regular ki.
The only difference is their power source. Gods - God ki Androids (#16, 17, 18, 19 & Gero) - inorganic energy Bio-androids (Cell & Cell Jr's.) - ki Majins (Pui Pui, Yakon, Dabura) - sorcery empowered ki "Humans" (earthlings and all aliens) - ki The androids I was referring to was 16 - 19, they couldn't sense them but they knew and how outcomes of fights will be by observing or fighting the battles. Mm not really it was just a matter of they stronger or they not. Piccolo just said 17 punch hard but he still didn't know 17 power level. He was either stronger then him or not. But I know what you mean. You talking about hiting power right?
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Not sensing God ki is irrelevant. If there's a line from Goku saying fusion can't beat Beerus, then it's there for a reason. If you want to ignore and go against it with no backing, that's up to you. Doesn't change what we're given, and what we're given says a fusion from Super (mind you, BoG-arc Vegetto > Boo-arc Vegetto) isn't enough.
How is not sensing god ki irrelevant? That's would be the whole point of why he think fusion not enough. you say we was giving ssjg>fusion just like we was given goku can't sense god ki right. Which wouldn't make any sense. And how would goku know how strong BoG arc vegito would be? I'm actually perfectly fine with ssjg>vegito. Unit you guys start doing stuff like ssjg>>>>>>>>>vegito when you don't know by how much or vegito full power. And didn't goku say I don't think that fusion would be enough? If that's the case that would mean he's unsure which make more sense.
You have to see though, that statement was made to a heavily suppress Beerus. If Goku's saying he's unsure if Fusion will be enough just tells us that BoG Super Saiyan 3 Vegito is likely somewhere around this suppressed Beerus. Goku's statement about Super Saiyan God being an entirely different realm of power he couldn't reach on his own speaks volumes, he made it seems like it was vastly more powerful then whatever came prior to it. That's the reason Super Saiyan God Goku is massively stronger then BoG Super Saiyan 3 Vegito. 2-10x gap from the two, I don't have him 100x or more stronger though.
It don't matter if beerus suppress or not. How would goku know that if he can't sense his god ki. That's just like when the ginyu force couldn't since goku when he land on namek. What am saying is we don't how much stronger versus is over vegito. But fans are just boost him up over a unsure line. So yeah at most I go with 1-5 times stronger. As far that 1000 times stronger that's non sense. Unit proven other wise. No one not even the fan predict how much stronger beerus is. All they can do is assume what they feel fit.
Frieza knew how strong Goku was without being able to sense KI. Fighting someone is an obvious indicator of strength. Stupid point you brought up. Anyways, ssjg is easily massively stronger than ssj3 vegito. SBG alone 1 shots Buuhan easily. Base vegito however is most likely weaker than buuhan in the canon since in the manga he went straight ssj never fought Buu in base. This would put ssj2 Goku in super above ssj3 vegito in Z. Godmode put Goku somewhere higher than he is even in super. I'd put ssjg easily <50x higher than ssj3 vegito
Stupid point ? Freeze is one person who went through some changes his self. But no other z fighter could sense god ki. Freeze didn't even know his own power was decreasing. And there you go you just can't assume ask g goku can do that. It don't work like that. Am pretty sure you gone used ssj3 gotenk getting push to the side by vegeta copy. That's not surpriseing cell did the same thing to vegeta . So your point is stupid buddy 🤗
If you can't sense someone's power to gauge their strength, the next best options are: to see them fight, or do battle with them yourself. Doing battle yourself is the better way cause you can feel the gap from the fight itself. Remember, Piccolo questioned Goku if they could defeat the androids but Goku replied he doesn't know and will tell him after he's tried. At the least, they were expecting foes stronger then they were 3 years prior to the androids coming. Again with Dabura, they couldn't sense the Majin's ki but they knew based on his movements that he was tough but nothing they couldn't handle. Goku deduced he was around Perfect Cell's level before he saw more of fighting, it wasn't until during his battle with Gohan that Goku given him a higher placement cause he saw that he knew magic too. Sensing ki isn't the sole way to tell someone's power is basically what I'm getting at. Goku doubting why fusion wouldn't work is because he was once apart of the fusion and vividly saw how strong he was. Recall Goku proclaiming he could've beaten Kid Buu in one blast if he had the Potara? How could Goku know that unless he's experienced the power of Potara and actually fought Kid Buu? Just cause they've gotten stronger doesn't mean the boost will change. If Potara multiplied their power by a 100, then that's how much it will multiply them, weaker or stronger, it will ALWAYS be the same boosts.
The different between those characters and beers is that versus has god ki and cell has regular ki. As far as the Androids go piccolo wasn't even sure he could take 18 and 17 because he can't sense they power level. Cell is a different factor because he actually has regular ki.
The only difference is their power source. Gods - God ki Androids (#16, 17, 18, 19 & Gero) - inorganic energy Bio-androids (Cell & Cell Jr's.) - ki Majins (Pui Pui, Yakon, Dabura) - sorcery empowered ki "Humans" (earthlings and all aliens) - ki The androids I was referring to was 16 - 19, they couldn't sense them but they knew and how outcomes of fights will be by observing or fighting the battles.
Mm not really it was just a matter of they stronger or they not. Piccolo just said 17 punch hard but he still didn't know 17 power level. He was either stronger then him or not. But I know what you mean. You talking about hiting power right? Piccolo tried get 17 the first time led to him getting one shotted,. He realized in order to combat the threat of the androids, he'd have to quickly power up to at least best 17. He gathered this from that one punch and watching Vegeta's battle with 18 (both of the twins were somewhat close in power after all).
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Not sensing God ki is irrelevant. If there's a line from Goku saying fusion can't beat Beerus, then it's there for a reason. If you want to ignore and go against it with no backing, that's up to you. Doesn't change what we're given, and what we're given says a fusion from Super (mind you, BoG-arc Vegetto > Boo-arc Vegetto) isn't enough.
How is not sensing god ki irrelevant? That's would be the whole point of why he think fusion not enough. you say we was giving ssjg>fusion just like we was given goku can't sense god ki right. Which wouldn't make any sense. And how would goku know how strong BoG arc vegito would be? I'm actually perfectly fine with ssjg>vegito. Unit you guys start doing stuff like ssjg>>>>>>>>>vegito when you don't know by how much or vegito full power. And didn't goku say I don't think that fusion would be enough? If that's the case that would mean he's unsure which make more sense.
You have to see though, that statement was made to a heavily suppress Beerus. If Goku's saying he's unsure if Fusion will be enough just tells us that BoG Super Saiyan 3 Vegito is likely somewhere around this suppressed Beerus. Goku's statement about Super Saiyan God being an entirely different realm of power he couldn't reach on his own speaks volumes, he made it seems like it was vastly more powerful then whatever came prior to it. That's the reason Super Saiyan God Goku is massively stronger then BoG Super Saiyan 3 Vegito. 2-10x gap from the two, I don't have him 100x or more stronger though.
It don't matter if beerus suppress or not. How would goku know that if he can't sense his god ki. That's just like when the ginyu force couldn't since goku when he land on namek. What am saying is we don't how much stronger versus is over vegito. But fans are just boost him up over a unsure line. So yeah at most I go with 1-5 times stronger. As far that 1000 times stronger that's non sense. Unit proven other wise. No one not even the fan predict how much stronger beerus is. All they can do is assume what they feel fit.
Frieza knew how strong Goku was without being able to sense KI. Fighting someone is an obvious indicator of strength. Stupid point you brought up. Anyways, ssjg is easily massively stronger than ssj3 vegito. SBG alone 1 shots Buuhan easily. Base vegito however is most likely weaker than buuhan in the canon since in the manga he went straight ssj never fought Buu in base. This would put ssj2 Goku in super above ssj3 vegito in Z. Godmode put Goku somewhere higher than he is even in super. I'd put ssjg easily <50x higher than ssj3 vegito
Stupid point ? Freeze is one person who went through some changes his self. But no other z fighter could sense god ki. Freeze didn't even know his own power was decreasing. And there you go you just can't assume ask g goku can do that. It don't work like that. Am pretty sure you gone used ssj3 gotenk getting push to the side by vegeta copy. That's not surpriseing cell did the same thing to vegeta . So your point is stupid buddy 🤗
If you can't sense someone's power to gauge their strength, the next best options are: to see them fight, or do battle with them yourself. Doing battle yourself is the better way cause you can feel the gap from the fight itself. Remember, Piccolo questioned Goku if they could defeat the androids but Goku replied he doesn't know and will tell him after he's tried. At the least, they were expecting foes stronger then they were 3 years prior to the androids coming. Again with Dabura, they couldn't sense the Majin's ki but they knew based on his movements that he was tough but nothing they couldn't handle. Goku deduced he was around Perfect Cell's level before he saw more of fighting, it wasn't until during his battle with Gohan that Goku given him a higher placement cause he saw that he knew magic too. Sensing ki isn't the sole way to tell someone's power is basically what I'm getting at. Goku doubting why fusion wouldn't work is because he was once apart of the fusion and vividly saw how strong he was. Recall Goku proclaiming he could've beaten Kid Buu in one blast if he had the Potara? How could Goku know that unless he's experienced the power of Potara and actually fought Kid Buu? Just cause they've gotten stronger doesn't mean the boost will change. If Potara multiplied their power by a 100, then that's how much it will multiply them, weaker or stronger, it will ALWAYS be the same boosts.
The different between those characters and beers is that versus has god ki and cell has regular ki. As far as the Androids go piccolo wasn't even sure he could take 18 and 17 because he can't sense they power level. Cell is a different factor because he actually has regular ki.
The only difference is their power source. Gods - God ki Androids (#16, 17, 18, 19 & Gero) - inorganic energy Bio-androids (Cell & Cell Jr's.) - ki Majins (Pui Pui, Yakon, Dabura) - sorcery empowered ki "Humans" (earthlings and all aliens) - ki The androids I was referring to was 16 - 19, they couldn't sense them but they knew and how outcomes of fights will be by observing or fighting the battles.
Mm not really it was just a matter of they stronger or they not. Piccolo just said 17 punch hard but he still didn't know 17 power level. He was either stronger then him or not. But I know what you mean. You talking about hiting power right? Are you legitimately brain damaged?
When people sense powers, they don't get an exact, quantifiable, power level. It's like looking at a puddle and comparing it to your own puddle to see where they lay.
The same concept in fighting is, we don't figure their exact power level but we can compare their skill and power to our own along with anyone else we've fought. If anything, Fighting is a better indicator than sensing power. The longer we go the more stupid your arguments sound.
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Spoiler: click to toggle [code]Dim me as string = "Xenoverse" Dim verse as boolean
supersaiyan()
Private sub XENOVERSE() if verse = true then call supersaiyan() else Messagebox.show("You aren't the Legendary super saiyan...") end if end
private sub supersaiyan()
if me = "Xenoverse" then verse = true end if
call XENOVERSE()
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