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they disgraced DBZ
Topic Started: Jul 12 2016, 12:49 AM (4,044 Views)
highwaysaiyan
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super should have just stick with its own material instead of creating new scenes with characters who are out-of-character.
also they shouldn't touch romance. toriyama cant write romance so it doesnt belong in HIS franchise. (also, the romance was very lame the REALLY bad, reminded me of a bad artistic film for high school project).
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I haven't watched Super, but from what I've seen in the RoF left me very disappointed. BoG wasn't so bad, but RoF was like what the f***? Bringing Frieza back was just a desperate attempt IMO, and Gohan was thrown away. I could go on but I really don't see the point.
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Power Level Wise yes. They lost me @ RoF. Hopefully, I can sort it out once its all said and done. Lol
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DBS a disgrace to Dragon Ball?
The FNF Arc maybe, but I wouldn't say as a whole DBS is disgrace to the name.

Characters acting outside of their character in Toei related Dragon Ball stuff is nothing really new.
Vegeta in the Evil Dragon Arc of DBGokuTime was letting one of Bulma's machines get him to Goku's level instead of training his @$$ off to reach him like he normally would.
Tenshinhan in Boo Arc filler was seen going to parties with the Dragon Team, disregarding his own ''you'll probably never see me again'' thing he previously said.

I do agree that the whole romance dawn thing with Trunks and Mai really isn't needed, but at the same time, it's kind of interesting since we've never really seen anything like it in Dragon Ball before.
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Jul 12 2016, 02:39 AM
Characters acting outside of their character in Toei related Dragon Ball stuff is nothing really new.
Vegeta in the Evil Dragon Arc of DBGokuTime was letting one of Bulma's machines get him to Goku's level instead of training his @$$ off to reach him like he normally would.
Tenshinhan in Boo Arc filler was seen going to parties with the Dragon Team, disregarding his own ''you'll probably never see me again'' thing he previously said.
im not sure what is DBGokuTime or Evil Dragon. is it a GT thing ? because i didnt watch it.

saying "you probably wont see me again" and years later appearing in a reunion party is very normal. its not like he visits regulary, just came for a short visit.
and anyway, he said probably. if he said "you will never ever see me again" then i could assume the likeliness of him appearing is lower but still there is a gap of years, people change their minds (although with his ego, i doubt he would change his mind about anything).


and anyway, as you said, its a filler.

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about romance, i also thing it was stupid to add it because it kinda ignore literary rules- tell your story the way it is (or something like that).
making action and suddenly going romance and then changing back too fast is bad story-wise and bad writing. plus most writers cant do romance and action. they are just genres too far from each other (there are few who can like James Cameron or Steven Spielberg but most cant, including Toriyama and he knows that).
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I don't think Super as a whole has disgraced the franchise. It's the RF saga in particular that is insulting. BOG saga wasn't terrible. The U6 tournament was enjoyable and had some really good parts to it. This future trunks/black goku saga has been been awesome far

The RF saga though... That's a disgrace. Even toriyama complained
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Eh, the only major arc thus far that seems to actually have a point is the Goku-black arc. The rest were either rehashes of previous films or was a tournament that was utterly pointless and could've been avoided to give more time for the other arcs that seem to actually have a shred of storytelling credibility to them.
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Jul 12 2016, 09:15 PM
Eh, the only major arc thus far that seems to actually have a point is the Goku-black arc. The rest were either rehashes of previous films or was a tournament that was utterly pointless and could've been avoided to give more time for the other arcs that seem to actually have a shred of storytelling credibility to them.
The U6 tournament was pretty much just entertainment. Also helped with the world building. But other than that yeah not much plot progression
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Jul 12 2016, 09:18 PM
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Eh, the only major arc thus far that seems to actually have a point is the Goku-black arc. The rest were either rehashes of previous films or was a tournament that was utterly pointless and could've been avoided to give more time for the other arcs that seem to actually have a shred of storytelling credibility to them.
The U6 tournament was pretty much just entertainment. Also helped with the world building. But other than that yeah not much plot progression
See, the issue with that is we were then shown at the end that there's another tournament that'll involve the other universes. Effectively making what we saw kind of lackluster compared to what we would be shown. We could've had everything that happened in U6 happen in the bigger tournament and nothing would really change.
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I wouldn't like that tbh. I like the world to gradually be shown. Otherwise I wouldn't be able to wonder and get excited about seeing about more of it later. Know m saiyan?
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Jul 12 2016, 09:26 PM
I wouldn't like that tbh. I like the world to gradually be shown. Otherwise I wouldn't be able to wonder and get excited about seeing about more of it later. Know m saiyan?
Eh, U6 didn't really do it for me outside of Hit and that was because I caught the best episode when Goku pulls out SSJBKKx10. The rest of the characters were really frickin' meh, with the most basic of characterization.
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Yeah. I agree. Magetta was a waste and frost was kind of wasted potential. Hit and caba were good. At least they didn't focus on it too much though because now we get to see black goku saga(real plot proression) sooner
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just need to mention that we dont know much about black-goku arc yet. it might have direct or indirect connection to the U6 tournament arc. kinda like how the saiyan saga up to frieza asga was all just a very very long storyline.
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What ooc moments are we referring to here?
"I hit the booth and I just went super saiyan!" - Big Sean
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Jul 12 2016, 09:15 PM
Eh, the only major arc thus far that seems to actually have a point is the Goku-black arc. The rest were either rehashes of previous films or was a tournament that was utterly pointless and could've been avoided to give more time for the other arcs that seem to actually have a shred of storytelling credibility to them.
I personally don't have an issue with the U6 tournament arc, given we have not had a proper tournament arc since the Piccolo Jr Saga all the way back at the end of Dragon Ball.

And speaking of which, I don't get why people think the U6 tournament was pointless or a waste of time given the first Dragon Ball series has three tournament arcs in the series.

Back during Dragon Ball, they were used as a measuring stick of how far the characters had come in terms of power.

U6 did the same thing, and it helped build the multiverse as well.

My only complaints was how Frost was wasted as a Frezia clone, how Piccolo was wasted, and how the took the way out with Buu by not even having him fight.

Otherwise I enjoyed it. It was fun to have a break from the serious "Brand new threat appears that threatens the Earth" arcs that we have gotten since the Sayian Saga.
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