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| G.G. | Jul 18 2016, 06:14 PM Post #61 |
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I guess it has more to do with Goku's character development in Z, he had changed a lot in the previous series and he essentially became this weird parody of himself in Super.
Edited by G.G., Jul 18 2016, 06:17 PM.
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| Darker | Jul 18 2016, 06:25 PM Post #62 |
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Goku in Super is basically a slightly smarter but slightly less competent version of the DB Abridged Goku. |
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| Scotty_Rogers | Jul 18 2016, 06:35 PM Post #63 |
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The main problem I have with Goku's characterization in Super is how he's dumb enough to believe Monaka is super strong, when it's blatantly obvious Monaka is weak as s***. When it comes to fighting, Goku is genius; he's never been one to overestimate a weakling. Him being dumb enough to believe Monaka is strong is blatant flanderization. smh |
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| + Clearin | Jul 18 2016, 06:42 PM Post #64 |
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It's actually a running theme in Dragon Ball that weak looking characters turn out really strong (Kami had to spell this out to Yamcha in the 23rd Budokai), so Goku believing Monaka is strong kinda makes sense. |
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| breaker335 | Jul 18 2016, 06:43 PM Post #65 |
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This x1000. The last time he underestimated someone smaller than him almost costed his life. Then again, he can sense ki, so I dunno what's going on there. |
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| Darker | Jul 18 2016, 06:44 PM Post #66 |
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I guess it's one of those "don't judge a book by its cover" kinda deals. Which is like what, the 5th time they've done this in the series, not counting the movies and GT? |
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| * Ketchup Revenge | Jul 18 2016, 07:44 PM Post #67 |
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Goku also believed that Old Kai was strong, but that turned out to not be true at all. So Goku overestimating weaklings isn't something that exclusive to DBS. He's always done it. |
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| lazerbem | Jul 18 2016, 07:52 PM Post #68 |
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He can't sense the Old Kai's ki, however. |
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| EMIYA | Jul 18 2016, 08:11 PM Post #69 |
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I thought Goku was under the belief that Elder Kaioshin was weak. That's why he chucked a rock at him because he kept hearing all this stuff about how great Elder Kaioshin was and he got called a dumbass by Elder Kaioshin because his real strength came to his special ability. At times Goku kind of...underestimates his opponents or even himself. For example he looks at Kid Boo and makes note of his size and stuff and it's true that Boo has gotten both smaller and weaker and we see that Goku has every right to feel more at ease compared to Super Boo. But even though Kid Boo is much weaker, he's still very dangerous and both Goku and Vegeta underestimate that point. I don't think Goku's ever been so stupid in the past that he just plainly got someone's power wrong. A lot of times he becomes uncertain. He was uncertain on this whole Elder Kaioshin thing so he tested him out. DBZ Goku would have tested Monaka out. He'd have chucked a small rock at him to see if everything about him was supposed to be as great as it was. |
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| + Clearin | Jul 18 2016, 08:14 PM Post #70 |
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Goku punched Monaka in the face in the anime. Also for the record, Goku threw a ki blast at Elder Kaioshin, not a rock. |
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| * Ketchup Revenge | Jul 18 2016, 08:24 PM Post #71 |
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Just to point out, he likely couldn't sense Monaka's either due to it being so weak. In addition to this, there's no evidence of Old Kai having God ki. Kaioshin didn't seem to. |
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| + Clearin | Jul 18 2016, 08:32 PM Post #72 |
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Remember that Goku did fight "Monaka" which was actually Beerus wearing a costume. So that's what Goku assumes Monaka's real power is like. |
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| Scotty_Rogers | Jul 18 2016, 08:41 PM Post #73 |
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No, he didn't. Goku's first impression of Old Kai was that he was weak. He decided to fire a Ki Blast at Old Kai to confirm whether or not his first impression was true. After seeing Old Kai get hit by the Ki Blast, Goku concluded Old Kai was weak.
He really hasn't.
Goku thinking Monaka might be strong at first glance makes sense. However, him continuing to think Monaka is strong after seeing Monaka in tears over fighting Hit and constantly avoid fighting him when everyone else can tell Monaka is weak? No. Again, Goku isn't one to overestimate weaklings. Edited by Scotty_Rogers, Jul 18 2016, 09:11 PM.
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| lazerbem | Jul 18 2016, 09:22 PM Post #74 |
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God ki in the sense that they are insensible, and Kaioshin was impossible to sense IIRC |
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| G.G. | Jul 20 2016, 07:16 PM Post #75 |
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The whole Monaka thing kind of annoys me, you think Goku would had figured out Monaka is not that strong and/or at least figured out that it was Beerus in disguise. I know Goku hadn't seen Monaka fight and I know that Goku is not that dumb but he should had least been somewhat suspicious 'Monaka' fighting similar to Beerus.
Edited by G.G., Jul 20 2016, 07:17 PM.
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