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| + Son-Goku | Jul 8 2016, 02:29 PM Post #31 |
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That's all right ![]() Yeah it does bring more questions and I'm not quite sure yet. I'm thinking in RF that Goku could use Super Saiyan Red but he didn't for some reason and used Saiyan Beyond. There could be flaws to either one of them but I have no idea right now. I still have a lot of questions for it all myself and I hope we can find out more about it all later in the series. |
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| StrenuousSpider | Jul 12 2016, 04:39 AM Post #32 |
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I see it simply as he can access god ki like transformation. kind of like the legendary form is to normal ssj. he can go normal ssj than he transforms into ssjb if he wants. like broly can go ssj than adds the legendary on top of that which both multiplies his power as well as change his appearance. which works for me because in the manga goku goes ssjr. he uses the god ki transformation to amp his base and than dose the same with ssj.
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| FutureSaiyan | Jul 12 2016, 06:27 AM Post #33 |
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Clearly Goku was holding back as he is annoyingly renowned for doing in super. Considering Black destroyed ss2 Trunks whilst Goku ss2 was matching black blow for blow and not even taking the fight that serious. |
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| Sjk8 | Jul 12 2016, 12:34 PM Post #34 |
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+1. Completely agree with this. |
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| SuperSaiyanGodGogeta | Jul 13 2016, 05:37 AM Post #35 |
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the two base theory is baseless garbage. thats the simplest way to put it. goku going ssjg is the only way for him to access his god ki. using god ki at all pushes goku to ssjg as shown. using the power of ssjg in conjunction with ssj pushes him to ssb. thats it. no idea whatsoever where this nonsensical theory came from. |
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| + ThePrinceOfSaiyans | Jul 13 2016, 02:33 PM Post #36 |
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| Tinny | Jul 13 2016, 02:55 PM Post #37 |
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Logically though Goku should be able to do this entire fight in base form though, he shouldn't even need to double or even get to his base power to match Trunks. Either that or apparently running away from Black (who can't possibly be that far removed from him) made Trunks so strong that he shot up straight past Dabura, Gotenks, Buu, and Gohan all the way to god tier. Which at this point makes Goku and Vegeta just look like they're coasting on god ki and slacking when you realize that Piccolo and Freeza did the same thing by relatively similar methods (fighting someone around your level, or in Freeza's case significantly below). Even if you consider he's holding back, that still means you need the two base theory or else Goku's supposedly god tier base form is getting matched, exceeded, or at least approached by just about everyone that bothers to train for a while, massively exceeding the gains he naturally made from end of the buu arc to the current saga. At this rate it's looking less like Goku trains and gets stronger that way and more like he's just as bad as Gohan, despite supposedly having a love for training, instead relying on rituals and magic to get him his strength (mystic and god form for Gohan and Goku respectively). The two base theory however solves these problems without making Goku look lazy, it's easy to see Piccolo and Trunks reaching about buu tier, and Freeza stays the really special one like the story intended (or was saying with how Goku praised Freeza's incredible gains in strength). Edit: almost forgot Vegeta, he supposedly trained the old fashioned way to get to god tier as well. So that's five guys who reached god tier in just the normal line up, six including Cabba, and Goku is the only one who needed ssjg to reach it. @ThePrinceOfSaiyajins Isn't it obvious? You're making Piccolo weaker, and that's not okay. It's obvious he's a huge Piccolo fan and doesn't like how you're nerfing the lean mean green machine. Logically. Edited by Tinny, Jul 13 2016, 03:14 PM.
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| + Clearin | Jul 13 2016, 03:00 PM Post #38 |
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The manga has made it kinda confusing now by re-introducing the red form. Regular SSj God could be a good way to show the difference between base form and "base form with God ki", but the problem is Goku fought Freeza in his regular base form, despite all evidence suggesting he'd need God ki to do that. |
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| Tinny | Jul 13 2016, 03:04 PM Post #39 |
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What about Kaboom's idea regarding it? It seems to make the most sense and allows Goku to fight in "base form" and have god ki without him going ssjg |
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| + Clearin | Jul 13 2016, 03:10 PM Post #40 |
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You mean the different % of God ki? I guess it works. Though I do disagree that red haired form is "mostly God Ki" while blue haired form is "all God ki". The blue haired form isn't base. It's a Saiyan who has turned Super Saiyan with God ki. The red form would be all god ki, and then transforming like that would give you blue haired form. Edit: Goku losing the red haired form while fighting Beerus also kinda makes this impossible. He had God ki then despite still having black/yellow hair Edited by Clearin, Jul 13 2016, 03:17 PM.
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| + ThePrinceOfSaiyans | Jul 13 2016, 04:04 PM Post #41 |
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Honestly, I just assume Super Saiyan God is at a set level. |
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| + Solid Snake | Jul 14 2016, 12:47 AM Post #42 |
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To your edit: I think that was just an incomplete form of Super Saiyan Blue. I know he came out of Super Saiyan God but he subconsciously gripped onto the God ki via Super Saiyan (seeing as how he mastered that form back in the Cell Games). |
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