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Goku Black has arrived in the present via a strange portal. He notes to himself that Trunks travelled through time to this point, then greets Goku and notes the presence of Vegeta and even the God of Destruction Beerus.

Meanwhile, Beerus and Whis’ attention is drawn to the strange ring Black wears on his right hand. Trunks demands to know how Black got here, and Black explains that he followed the path Trunks took through time and space.

Black mockingly asks if Trunks called for him, and if Trunks wants to die by his hands. Vegeta warns Trunks against fighting Black, saying he’s no match, but before Vegeta himself can challenge Black, Goku flies up to fight him (noting that the early bird gets the worm). He’s heard all about how strong Black is and wants to see for himself!

Black likewise says this is an “honor”: he’d wanted to trying fighting Goku in “this body”. Goku wonders what he means by that, but Black says he doesn’t need to know. On the sidelines, Kuririn wonders who Black is, and Bulma explains that he’s her murderer! This naturally leaves Kuririn even more confused than before.

Goku, still in his base form, trades blows with Black for a little while before finally becoming a Super Saiyan (though we see sparks, the characters only refer to this as “Super Saiyan” and not SS2). Black is thrilled to see such power, and Goku can tell that Black is like him: they both get excited to fight against strong opponents. At this point, Black’s ki rises, and he tells Goku to show him more of his power.

The fight continues, and on the sidelines Kuririn says that Black’s power keeps on rising. Trunks wonders why Goku isn’t using the same power as he did earlier in their sparring match (onscreen we get a quick flashback to SS3 Goku blocking Trunks’ sword). Vegeta explains that Goku has a bad habit of not fighting seriously at the start. Likewise, in the battle itself Goku and Black both note how neither of them is using their full power. Elsewhere, Beerus and Whis say Black isn’t half bad, though oddly his ki doesn’t quite feel the same as Goku’s.

At this point, Goku decides he needs to fight hard enough to force Black to use his full power. The fight recommences and Black takes a beating, but oddly he still seems happy about this, declaring that this pain will make him even stronger. Goku meanwhile thinks that Black is kind of gross. Kuririn notes that Black’s power has risen yet again, and as Goku and Black go at it some more, Trunks’ time machine is knocked over from the impact. Black notices the device and hears Trunks refer to it as a time machine, realizing that this is how Trunks travelled through time.

Black blows up the time machine, but shortly thereafter gets pulled back through the portal he came from. The portal closes, and Black is gone, but the time machine is in flames. Whis explains that Black most likely didn’t vanish on his own. Rather, Black was able to come to this era when the power of his “Time Ring” (the strange ring on his right hand) reacted to the distortions in time created by Trunks’ time machine’s passage through time and space. However, these distortions try and return to their original state, similar to the way a wound heals, and so as a result Black’s Time Ring forcibly pulled him back to the era he came from. In other words, Whis says, he basically just ran out of time.

Indeed, we see that Black has now returned to Trunks’ future world. Lying on the ground in some degree of fatigue and pain, Black says that Super Saiyan Goku’s fighting style has been “engraved” into his body, which will make his strength even more perfect. Though Black thinks he won’t be able to return to that era (ie the present) again, Trunks likewise is stuck there now that his time machine is no more, meaning that in the future world none remain to oppose him.

Back in the present, Trunks is having the same thoughts: now that he’s stuck here, there’s nobody in the future world to stop Black from wiping out the remaining Earthlings. When asked how Black’s power when fighting Goku compares with when Trunks fought Black on prior occasions, Trunks says that Black was “a little stronger” than before. A little, not a lot…probably. In that case, Vegeta thinks they’ve got nothing to worry about, since Goku wasn’t using anywhere near his full power (Vegeta also notes in passing that he hasn’t shown his full power yet either). Trunks wonders why Goku and Vegeta are both so much more powerful than before, but they say it’s a long story. Still, Black’s ki was also constantly rising as he fought Goku, so who knows what his limits are?

The Pilaf Gang steps in to extinguish the time machine’s flames (hoping that they can get food in return). With the flames out, the time machine is now nothing but a burnt-out husk. Bulma laments that even with her future self’s notes, she can’t rebuild the machine from scratch all on her own. Suddenly though, she has an idea and rushes off inside to find something. For his part, Beerus seems pleased that with the time machine gone humans now can no longer mess around with time, but Whis thinks they’ve got another problem to worry about now: Black’s “Time Ring” is something which only Kaioshins are permitted to use. However, Black is quite certainly not a Kaioshin. In that case, what exactly is he? It’s still unclear. Regardless, Time Rings can only take you to the future, and then back to the present, since even among the gods it is strictly forbidden to travel into the past.

Trunks asks Beerus and Whis to give him one of these Time Rings, but since Beerus is a God of Destruction (rather than a Kaioshin), he doesn’t have them. Trunks is still worried about what will happen to future Earth if he doesn’t get back there, but Beerus stresses once again that people shouldn’t mess around with time; both Trunks and Black are troublesome in that regard. Whis thinks that Black most likely can’t travel through time at will, and so probably won’t be back. Which means that if they want to defeat Black, they’ll have to go to the future. Kuririn asks if Whis can use his own time-manipulating powers to take them there, but Whis explains that his powers only allow him to rewind time a maximum of three minutes, and don’t extend to traveling into the future.

Trunks is despondent, since everyone in the future was depending on him. However, Vegeta tells him not to give up; there’s definitely a way to solve this! Beerus says that humans are always so quick to say “don’t give up”, but frankly sometimes there’s nothing that can be done; giving up is important too! Bulma finally returns, having found what she was looking for: a capsule which she throws out to reveal…the battered old time machine Cell arrived in! They’ve got another time machine after all!

Nagito Komaeda

Jul 3 2016, 09:43 PM

Kblo247

Jul 3 2016, 09:18 PM

Pyrus

Jul 3 2016, 04:59 PM

Why keep the body in the present time then? That's a dedicated troll if he's still trying to get at Trunks for whatever reason.

Does this mean we finally know where Trunks stands? Apparently SS2 Goku was more than enough to handle him, after all, and SS3 was simply showing off.

Why does that shock you? '

Everyone from trunks time is weak.
- Gohan wanted to be as strong as Goku from Yardrat
- Vegeta with three years training amazed him and could give future 17/18 problems
- If the z fighters and enemies are weaker then so would Dabura be
- Trunks kid self in the present is superior as the same age, way superior

All Trunks would have had to progress to us Gohan who hadn't trained for 7 years as his floor or Vegeta who had trained for 5 before becoming majin as his ceiling to handle Dabura which he admits was hard.

Trunks isn't smart. He nearly gets them all killed for jumping into the vegeta and 18 fight and even after being soared he can't see the differences. He interfered with friends which means he delayed the virus and you can argue either he didn't listen or wasn't told about Goku teleporting. He thinks he's s stronger than vegeta because he can't see the flaws of ussj so he may not progress that much at all.

And not to you but trunks has no right to question goku playing around as he himself isn't man enough to ever handle his problems so he runs to them. Check he was running to his daddy to come handle them and save the future

No reason to assume that Dabra would be weaker.
Also no evidence to say that Present Trunks is superior.

Not interfering with the fight wouldn't have changed the alteration he made from simply travelling back in time in the first place. Plus, can you blame Trunks for that? Who knew that him travelling back would cause ripple effects that changed events that drastically.

Trunks has every right to. What was he going to do, try and fight Black to a standstill, die and then let him destroy the Earth? Going back to the past was the most logical move at that point, no shame in running from a battle that he can't win.

lazerbem

Jul 3 2016, 10:20 PM

Just because someone has problems doesn't make them wrong all the time. Kind of like how Goku, despite being a neglectful sociopath, was absolutely right to tell Gohan to stop bull s***ting with Cell and kill him. Sure, it's hypocritical, but he has a right to bring it up when he's right.

Kblo247

Jul 3 2016, 10:14 PM

Nagito Komaeda

Jul 3 2016, 09:43 PM

Kblo247

Jul 3 2016, 09:18 PM

Pyrus

Jul 3 2016, 04:59 PM

Why keep the body in the present time then? That's a dedicated troll if he's still trying to get at Trunks for whatever reason.

Does this mean we finally know where Trunks stands? Apparently SS2 Goku was more than enough to handle him, after all, and SS3 was simply showing off.

Why does that shock you? '

Everyone from trunks time is weak.
- Gohan wanted to be as strong as Goku from Yardrat
- Vegeta with three years training amazed him and could give future 17/18 problems
- If the z fighters and enemies are weaker then so would Dabura be
- Trunks kid self in the present is superior as the same age, way superior

All Trunks would have had to progress to us Gohan who hadn't trained for 7 years as his floor or Vegeta who had trained for 5 before becoming majin as his ceiling to handle Dabura which he admits was hard.

Trunks isn't smart. He nearly gets them all killed for jumping into the vegeta and 18 fight and even after being soared he can't see the differences. He interfered with friends which means he delayed the virus and you can argue either he didn't listen or wasn't told about Goku teleporting. He thinks he's s stronger than vegeta because he can't see the flaws of ussj so he may not progress that much at all.

And not to you but trunks has no right to question goku playing around as he himself isn't man enough to ever handle his problems so he runs to them. Check he was running to his daddy to come handle them and save the future

No reason to assume that Dabra would be weaker.
Also no evidence to say that Present Trunks is superior.

Not interfering with the fight wouldn't have changed the alteration he made from simply travelling back in time in the first place. Plus, can you blame Trunks for that? Who knew that him travelling back would cause ripple effects that changed events that drastically.

Trunks has every right to. What was he going to do, try and fight Black to a standstill, die and then let him destroy the Earth? Going back to the past was the most logical move at that point, no shame in running from a battle that he can't win.

If everyone Is weaker from Z fighter to Android to Saiyan to piccollo, then logic says Dabura is also inferior to his self. They are all part of a weaker timeline. You can argue everyone in the main one being superior both villain and hero is because of the ripples Whis said time travel causes. For all we know his Whis and Beerus are also inferior.

Present Trunks is superior seeing as how he is what 12? Future trunks at the same age was no super Saiyan. He sure as heck could never fight in the tourney like Trunks did with present 18. He would be destroyed by weak 18 lol.

Yes I can blame him for almost getting them killed and picking a fight. 18 and 17 never tried to fight them. They just stole a car and even then 18 made sure the cops lived which makes her less evil than Tien or Yamcha as teens. They fought a fair battle and he jumped in. They were lucky to be spared.

And he has a right to but it doesn't change the fact he is a failure an d a joke. He runs away to be so saved all the time and hasn't truly improved even though he has his own rosat. He couldn't handle his job so he has no right to question how others do it when he ran to them tail between his legs. It's similAr to shin telling them what to do with buu when he is the screw up who didn't do his job right. If you want it done your way man up and do it or stfu and watch the big boys do it

lazerbem

Jul 3 2016, 02:08 PM

SSj4 Gotenks

Jul 3 2016, 05:51 AM

"Oh Bebi"

Was that parodying Flashpoint when Zoom says "Oh Barry"?

Anyway, I freakin called that, there was no other reason for that monstrous shadow.

Mr. Hashbrowns

Jul 5 2016, 07:48 PM

Welp, they managed to screw up SSJ2's consistency again. Shame because it's a rare treat these days, and SSJ2 Goku looks badass IMO.



And then this...



Pretty sure that head is from episode 5.

ekrolo2

Jul 3 2016, 09:59 PM

That's probably my one big issue with this whole premise TBH. Trunks life already got pretty s***ty and I think Xenoverse did a good job of making his happy ending stick from Z but also let him have more adventures. This feels like some DC/Marvel level of tearing a guy down just to retread old ground and bring him back.

Mr. Hashbrowns

Jul 5 2016, 07:48 PM

Welp, they managed to screw up SSJ2's consistency again. Shame because it's a rare treat these days, and SSJ2 Goku looks badass IMO.



And then this...



Pretty sure that head is from episode 5.

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Goku could have ended the threat in this episode but chose to mess around, which is fine, that's what he does but why didn't Trunks get mad at him? Seemed like the perfect time for somebody to give Goku some harsh truths. Now Black is back in Trunks' world and nobody can currently get there to prevent him from wiping out all life on Earth.