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| + ThePrinceOfSaiyans | Jul 3 2016, 12:29 AM Post #1 |
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And we learned nothing! Well, aside from the fact that Mai is alive. Black does destroy Trunks's time machine tho, but Bulma remembers the one that Cell came back in time in, so they still have one in reserve! Also, we have a new ending song. It's garbage, but the ending sequence is cool tho. EDIT: Summary
Edited by ThePrinceOfSaiyans, Jul 3 2016, 02:25 AM.
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| Slifer | Jul 3 2016, 05:58 AM Post #16 |
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"Are you the real Goku?" Black - "No." "NOoooO? Black - "No". "NOHOHO? HMPHHMPH THEN WHY DO YOU DRESS UP LIKE HIM? HEHE HE WOOO HOOHOOHOOO!" Edited by Slifer, Jul 3 2016, 06:03 AM.
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| + ThePrinceOfSaiyans | Jul 3 2016, 01:45 PM Post #17 |
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Ok, so I think I figured this s*** out. Apparently, Trunks kills King Cold and Freeza in Cell's timeline, so things play out differently than we thought:
Edited by ThePrinceOfSaiyans, Jul 3 2016, 02:05 PM.
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| + Clearin | Jul 3 2016, 01:53 PM Post #18 |
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Trunks killing Freeza and Cold in Cell's timeline is impossible because Cell's timeline is a "bad future" timeline, so one where Trunks never went back in time. It also doesn't make sense how a different Trunks went to timeline 2 and 3. According to that quote, in timeline 4 everything is supposed to be the same until Trunks dies, so the actual timeline itself isn't created until Trunks dies. With that in mind it's impossible for any Trunks to return to the past except the Trunks in timeline 1, because timeline 4 is only created at the point where Trunks dies - making it impossible for timeline 4 Trunks to go back in time. Basically in all versions of a "bad future" there isn't a single bit of time travel until Trunks first goes to the past, so it's always the same Trunks from the same timeline who goes to the past, because until he's done that, there can't possibly be another version of Trunks to go back to the past. What was wrong with the explanation I posted on the last page? Edited by Clearin, Jul 3 2016, 01:56 PM.
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| + ThePrinceOfSaiyans | Jul 3 2016, 01:57 PM Post #19 |
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Cell outright says Trunks's data would have been collected, but there was already enough Saiyan DNA. Freeza and Cold were killed by Trunks in Cell's timeline. |
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| lazerbem | Jul 3 2016, 02:08 PM Post #20 |
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Was that parodying Flashpoint when Zoom says "Oh Barry"? Anyway, I freakin called that, there was no other reason for that monstrous shadow. |
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| + Clearin | Jul 3 2016, 02:12 PM Post #21 |
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So there's a timeline where Trunks warns everybody about the androids, but they all still die anyway, and baby Trunks grows up, beats the androids and all the time machine stuff happens anyway? Trunks from timeline 1 goes to timeline 3 and all that stuff happens. Cell then takes his time machine and creates timeline 2. Then Trunks from timeline 1 ends up in timeline 2 due to Cell's interference. But now there's two timelines where Trunks comes to the past, so when Trunks returns to the future they must both be going to different futures because obviously you can't have two Trunks arriving in one future. So timeline 4 is actually created when Trunks first travels back to the future, I think. Timeline 1 Trunks would be the one who gets killed in the past during the fight against the androids (or just in the 8 month wait). Timeline 2 Trunks gets killed by Cell. Timeline 3 Trunks is the kid Trunks we know today. Timeline 4 Trunks is simply timeline 1 Trunks that has to go back to a different timeline thanks to Cell, but he's the future Trunks we know. Is that it? Edited by Clearin, Jul 3 2016, 02:13 PM.
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| + ThePrinceOfSaiyans | Jul 3 2016, 02:34 PM Post #22 |
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So it would seem. I imagine Bulma was already in the process of building the time machine when Trunks found a way to destroy the Artificial Humans, and I guess Trunks figured might as well use it to let everyone know in the past how to destroy the Artificial Humans. Trunks from timeline 1 doesn't go to timeline 3 at all. If I said he did, it's a typo. The Trunks that Cell killed can't be from timeline 1 because that Trunks goes on to kill the Artificial Humans and Cell in his timeline. I'm not sure how or when Timeline 4 was created, but there has to be a Timeline 4 if this stuff is to make any sense. Trunks from Timeline 1 has to live because he kills the Artificial Humans and Cell in his timeline. To put it simply. Timeline 1 Trunks is the Future Trunks we're familiar with. Timeline 2 Trunks is the present Trunks we're all familiar with. Timeline 3 Trunks is the one killed by Cell. Timeline 4 Trunks is the one that kills Freeza and Cold in Timeline 3, as Cell describes, but is killed in Timeline 3 or killed while his time machine is being refueled. |
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| + Clearin | Jul 3 2016, 02:41 PM Post #23 |
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I realise I accidentally said Kid Trunks was in timeline 3 at the end of my last post, he should be swapped with the Trunks that I said was in timeline 2. Anyway, the Trunks that travels back to both timeline 2 and 3 has to be the exact same Trunks. There's only ever one Future Trunks who comes back to the point where Mecha Freeza and Cold attack. The difference is created on his return trip home, because due to Cell, Trunks from timeline A has ended up in two separate timelines. So when Trunks arrives in timeline 2, and another in timeline 3, we now have two Future Trunks' in different timelines, and they have to go back to different futures to avoid bumping into each other. The Trunks that goes back to the Freeza fight where Cell is hidden in the past is the future Trunks we know. The Trunks that goes back to the Freeza fight with no Cell is the future Trunks that somehow dies. But he's the one who goes back to timeline 1. Here's the order of events for how I think it all went down with what we know: Timeline A) Goku kills Freeza Everyone dies to androids Future Gohan lives and trains Trunks Gohan dies Trunks goes back in time to timeline B Trunks from timeline B comes back to A and waits 8 months Trunks goes back to timeline B and somehow everything goes to s*** and he dies Timeline B) Trunks kills Freeza Warns everyone Trunks goes back to timeline A Trunks from timeline A returns 3 years later Everyone dies Baby Trunks grows up and somehow beat the androids Cell kills Trunks and takes his time machine to go to timeline C Timeline C) Cell arrives Trunks kills Freeza Warns everyone And now when Trunks goes home he can't go to timeline A, because the future Trunks that went to timeline B is returning to timeline A, so a new timeline is created for this Trunks Trunks from timeline D returns here and all the Cell Games stuff happens Trunks returns to timeline D Timeline D) Everything is the same as timeline A up to Trunks leaving to fight Freeza. When Trunks returns this timeline is created to avoid having two separate Trunks arriving at the same timeline Trunks goes back 8 months later Trunks returns after Cell is killed in timeline C Trunks kills androids, and then 3 years later kills Cell. This is the Trunks currently in Super. Edited by Clearin, Jul 3 2016, 02:49 PM.
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| + ThePrinceOfSaiyans | Jul 3 2016, 02:51 PM Post #24 |
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But Timeline 1 is the future that the Trunks we know is from. How the Hell does the one that dies get to Timeline 1? |
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| + Clearin | Jul 3 2016, 02:58 PM Post #25 |
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The Trunks we know is from timeline A, because any Future Trunks that went to fight Freeza (of which there should be two) are both from timeline A, since it's the only timeline where Trunks travels back in time. But the very original Trunks (which is the one who dies) goes back to timeline A. So when Cell goes back in time and creates timeline C, this essentially creates a copy of Future Trunks, because in timeline C, Future Trunks was set to come back to the past since it already happened in timeline B (Cell's timeline). Future Trunks in timeline C can't go back to timeline A, because Future Trunks that arrived in timeline B is going back there. So the Trunks we know is from timeline A, but he didn't go back to timeline A. Edit: One last point to be made about this. For timeline C to have even been created, timelines A and B have to have already taken place. Timeline C is the one Cell creates by coming back, which means before timeline C is even made, Cell has killed Trunks in timeline B, and the first timeline A's Trunks should also already be dead. So future Trunks in timeline C can't go back to A, a future which has already been determined by the time he's even created Edited by Clearin, Jul 3 2016, 03:16 PM.
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| + Son-Goku | Jul 3 2016, 03:25 PM Post #26 |
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The fight wasn't as exciting as I thought it'd be. I figured it'd be one sided in Black's favor but they fought pretty evenly. From the sound of what Black was saying though it sounds like he can now become a Super Saiyan. So with Beerus confirming the ring is from a kaioshin than the most likely person Black will be associated with in some way is going to be Zamasu. Edit: Did anyone notice that the time ring's symbol is exactly the same symbol as the Time Breaker's symbol? I hope this doesn't lead to video games coming together with the anime. Edited by Son-Goku, Jul 3 2016, 03:30 PM.
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| lazerbem | Jul 3 2016, 03:40 PM Post #27 |
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Wow, Goku really gives no f***s that this guy killed Bulma and destroyed the world. Please contrast to how serious he was when duking it out with Freeza, Nappa, Cell, or Android 19 Masako actually does a good job with Black's voice, good job Freakin' Hell, I knew Black was a body snatcher Gah, this episode goes off model quite a bit The leg hold was nice Yeah, Black definitely isn't a Saiyan given how he refers to the Saiyan race as if it's not his own There's something off about Black's blasts, I'm not sure if it's intentional or some weird Photoshop effect. If intentional, that's cool, makes him Otherworldly And Beers pretty much confirms it isn't Goku His masochism is what Goku takes issue with? Not his other insanity? Black's aura is badass though What nonsense was Goku saying about forcing Black to use full power, he isn't using any more power than he was before. Wouldn't going SSJ3 to force him to go full power be better? So the Ring of Time is a temporal grappling hook? My subs say that he'll become even more perfect by absorbing Goku's skills into his own, I get the feeling now that he's some kind of android ala Cell or 19 Black improves the more he fights. Hmm, that sounds familiar to the guy in the last arc The hypocrisy of Beers and Whis here is astounding given the s*** they pulled in the Freeza arc despite the Namek Dragon Balls being available It's clever they remembered Cell's time machine, but it makes the time travel an even bigger pain in the a*** Dang, Black realllllyyy sucks at killing people if even Mai is alive. Either that, or the shotgun meme is true |
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| + Ssj3vegito96 | Jul 3 2016, 03:41 PM Post #28 |
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I love how goku is using ssj2. Ssj2 ftw Anyway good episode I feel like the the sound effects of their hard punches needs to be louder. But it wasn't bad I enjoyed it |
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| + Son-Goku | Jul 3 2016, 03:46 PM Post #29 |
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Did anyone else notice though that the Super Saiyan 2 drawing for the hair was getting off a little bit and looked like a normal Super Saiyan again? The animation is also going back to it's bad self again I thought it was going to get a lot better. |
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| Event Horizon | Jul 3 2016, 04:23 PM Post #30 |
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Now I'm starting to wonder if this is actually Black's true form.
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