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| Im Confused On the Super Saiyan Forms | |
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| + QueenTD | Jul 2 2016, 05:40 PM Post #1 |
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https://youtu.be/8R7gjISH2K8 I watched this video and I became more confused. I know the difference between the forms...but I'm not understanding.... What are the forms exactly..if that make sense. Like what's exactly is SSG BLUE, SSG. Every since obtaining the forms.... What are the purpose of the original three? What's the advantages? I'm just lost and Idk how to word the issue |
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| ekrolo2 | Jul 2 2016, 05:51 PM Post #2 |
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2 and 3 were supposed to be retired after Goku absorbed God Ki into himself, then it felt like Super Saiyan 1 would also get retired in favor of Blue (since that's the Super Saiyan equivalent to an SS God) but now they're all back and its all stupid. |
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| + ThePrinceOfSaiyans | Jul 2 2016, 06:47 PM Post #3 |
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Dragon Ball Super is simply a hot mess, and the 2-base theory is the only thing that makes sense as far as the anime goes. Now, in the manga, we never actually see Goku revert to Super Saiyan during the Battle of Gods portion, so there's really no contradiction looking at this from the perspective of the manga, but what's weird about separating Super Saiyan God from Super Saiyan Blue is that Super Saiyan Blue is described as a Saiyan who has the power of a Super Saiyan God as a Super Saiyan, so Super Saiyan Blue should be just as strong as a hypothetical Super Saiyan God, but apparently it's stronger according to the manga. However, since the events of Resurrection F were skipped in the manga, I suppose we can just assume it's described differently in the manga.
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| highwaysaiyan | Jul 2 2016, 09:22 PM Post #4 |
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first start with that MOST OF THE VIDEOS AND THEORIES ABOUT DRAGON BALL ARE JUST OPINIONS AND THEORIES. if you want to, you can try to disprove a theory. this is MY THEORY. in order to achieve the SSG form, a saiyan MUST fuse his own saiyan ki with god ki. most likely in unnatural ways. im certain vegeta did NOT get it just by training. he had to use some magical way, just like goku did. i think vegeta WANTED to achieve it by himself but once he discovered he couldnt, he convinced whis to do it. or something like that. gohan, trunks and goten can transform to SSJ as well but they arent pure saiyan. meaning, it doesnt matter if a person has human/saiyan ki or pure saiyan ki, still they can transform. in that case we can assume there is no problem for goku and vegeta to transform to SSJ even after being fused with god ki. but here comes the tricky part, human/saiyan ki are people born with certain features for both races BUT their ki isnt a fusion, its a distinct one. both human and saiyan. goku and vegeta FUSED their ki with god ki. so, according to the evidence i got, goku and vegeta FUSED their saiyan kis with god ki, which allowed them to get a new transformation. their SSJ transformation are still possible because their "saiyanism" is still there but it should be MUCH WEAKER then before because their ki is different. the SSJ works on saiyan DNA and ki, all they have now is the DNA and a mixture of saiyan-god ki. -------------------------------------------------------------------- about SSGSS or the name whis gave it- SSB (because of the blue hair). this is something they make it very clear in the manga, in the movies and in the anime. SSB IS THE SUPER SAIYAN OF THE SSG FORM. TO MAKE IT CLEAR SSG FORM IS NOT REALLY A FORM. THIS IS WHAT GOKU IS AFTER FUSION WITH GOD KI. he lost his red hair and body featues he had before, probably vegeta off camera as well. but he still has that same ki !!! because HE WAS FUSED WITH IT! not latent, not side by side, not magically appeared, its literally part of his current ki. SSB is a version of SSJ of the SSG. a form that make goku and vegeta go to a higher level and release latent power. Edited by highwaysaiyan, Jul 2 2016, 09:29 PM.
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| Omega Z | Jul 3 2016, 12:50 AM Post #5 |
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Dragon Ball Super's power scaling is pretty messy, and often leaves me with headaches after trying to make sense of it. As of right now, the power scaling of the Super Saiyan forms seem like this: Super Saiyan < Super Saiyan 2 < Super Saiyan 3 < Super Saiyan Red < Super Saiyan Blue As of a description for the Super Saiyan forms, I think it's like this: Super Saiyan: Simplest form, weakest form. Easy to use, and has barely any strain on the person's body after training it. Super Saiyan 2: A more powered-up Super Saiyan. Brings out more power than the normal Super Saiyan, but also gives the body more strain. Super Saiyan 3: The normal Super Saiyan powered-up to the max. Brings out the most power a Saiyan can get while using normal ki, but is the most energy taxing out of any Super Saiyan form. Super Saiyan Red(God): Stronger than all previous forms since its used by powering-up with god ki. Originally having a limited time of usage, I'm guessing there's no more time-limit after you master your use of god ki. No actual mention of any strain on the body linked with this form, as far as I know, so it's probably less straining than Super Saiyan 2 or Super Saiyan 3. Super Saiyan Blue: A mix of powering-up with god ki while going Super Saiyan, resulting in the strongest form up to date. Easy to use when mastered, but very taxing on the body if used over and over again. |
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| breaker335 | Jul 3 2016, 04:43 AM Post #6 |
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What I find odd is isn't SSJ2 the perfect Super Saiyan form? At least that's what it was made out to be. |
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| Zoom | Jul 3 2016, 05:28 AM Post #7 |
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What if Bluper has an erection problem? Like Goku and Vegeta have trained to last longer in that form, but transforming and powering down takes a lot of energy like erection getting it up again after you pop. |
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| Sjk8 | Jul 3 2016, 05:18 PM Post #8 |
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I obviously stand by the "two base" theory unless clearly proven otherwise, since it's the approach which makes most sense by far. After training with Whis, Goku learned to channel properly his godly ki whenever he wants: - When he does it, he is a saiyan with the power of Super Saiyan God. - When he doesn't do it, he is a "regular" incredibly strong saiyan who has access to Ssj, Ssj2 and Ssj3 transformations. Base Goku who fought RoF Freeza was attaining god Ki, and that base Goku would flick the Ssj3 Goku who confronted Trunks in the previous episode to death more or less in the same way Beerus could have done. What happens when a saiyan infused with god Ki turns Ssj? SSGSS (or SSB, as you want to call it) is the answer. After all, the same Goku gave us a very clear explanation referring to SSB: "This is the Super Saiyan of a Saiyan with the power of Super Saiyan God." You don't get more clear than this. And it also perfectly fits with Vegeta telling Trunks, in the last episode, that what he has seen until now (Goku Ssj2, Goku Ssj3..) is far from being the maximum power Goku and he himself are capable to put out; then, Trunks is like "WTF, how is this even possible?" and Vegeta tells him that many thing happened. In this way, Trunks is not forced to be stronger than Ssj3 Gotenks or Vegito (LOL), and he just is a very strong warrior who obtained Ssj2 and rightfully thought that said form was the maximum achievable (thus placing him around Cell Saga top tiers, which is perfectly fine and reasonable). |
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