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When goku say Fusion won't be enough against Beerus; What do he mean fusion not enought if goku can't sense god ki
Topic Started: Jul 1 2016, 06:01 PM (4,683 Views)
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How would goku know fusion won't be enough if he can't sense god ki? If he is going by the previous vegito who fought buuhan it's not the same vegito. Goku and vegeta have got stronger and the boost will be way beyond that. And goku is not good at math so how would he know the new vegito won't be enough. Fusion is not just some simple addition. There's no pin point how strong the new vegito would be unless they actually fused. I Notice everytime someone bring up fusion a lot of people used that line what goku said. Everything goku thinks or predicted is not always right.

So why does so much people go off that?


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He's merely guessing I suppose. The writers probably couldn't think of a way better way to inform us that Beerus is too much for fusion.
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My guess that one hit from Beerus was enough to gauge how powerful Beerus really was.
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The line makes sense for Zs logic of Goku being stronger than Gotenks and Gohan but doesn't for the manga. You don't need to be stronger than a hypothetical SS3 Vegetto to finger flick Goku like that, hell, given how power levels work you don't even need to be twice as strong as Goku to do that to him.

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Jul 1 2016, 06:44 PM
My guess that one hit from Beerus was enough to gauge how powerful Beerus really was.
This is not like how cell hit Krillin then he sense cell true power. No matter how hard beerus hit goku he couldn't sense his god ki. So how would he know?
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Honestly the only way for Goku to know that is by reading the script unless fusion has been severely nerfed (it might have if Gotenks record is any indication). They needed a way to say that he's more powerful than fusion, and so they simply had Goku say so without keeping in mind how he'd actually know that. In BoG it works a little better in that Goku has a huge ego, but not so much in Super where he's fine and dandy using everyone else's energy and doesn't really mind being made to rely on others.
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Jul 1 2016, 06:56 PM
Honestly the only way for Goku to know that is by reading the script unless fusion has been severely nerfed (it might have if Gotenks record is any indication). They needed a way to say that he's more powerful than fusion, and so they simply had Goku say so without keeping in mind how he'd actually know that. In BoG it works a little better in that Goku has a huge ego, but not so much in Super where he's fine and dandy using everyone else's energy and doesn't really mind being made to rely on others.
So there's really nothing we can go off of to say ssjg >fusion.
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Jul 1 2016, 07:06 PM
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Jul 1 2016, 06:56 PM
Honestly the only way for Goku to know that is by reading the script unless fusion has been severely nerfed (it might have if Gotenks record is any indication). They needed a way to say that he's more powerful than fusion, and so they simply had Goku say so without keeping in mind how he'd actually know that. In BoG it works a little better in that Goku has a huge ego, but not so much in Super where he's fine and dandy using everyone else's energy and doesn't really mind being made to rely on others.
So there's really nothing we can go off of to say ssjg >fusion.
If there's any place where a hypothetical SS3 Vegetto is above Godku, it's the Super manga given its lack of a "fusion can't win!" line.
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Most people say goku and vegeta base form is strong as ssj vegito
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Amerson26
Jul 1 2016, 06:01 PM
How would goku know fusion won't be enough if he can't sense god ki? If he is going by the previous vegito who fought buuhan it's not the same vegito. Goku and vegeta have got stronger and the boost will be way beyond that. And goku is not good at math so how would he know the new vegito won't be enough. Fusion is not just some simple addition. There's no pin point how strong the new vegito would be unless they actually fused. I Notice everytime someone bring up fusion a lot of people used that line what goku said. Everything goku thinks or predicted is not always right.

So why does so much people go off that?


And sorry for any miss spell guy's.
He was judging based off the initial attack. Do recall Piccolo questioned Goku if they could beat the Artificial Humans with Goku saying he doesn't know but will let him know after he's tried fighting them. Vegito is still him kinda and the boosts will never change, it'll just be stacked upon the union fusion. Not always, but he wasn't proved wrong nor he didn't retract the statement.
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Jul 1 2016, 06:01 PM
How would goku know fusion won't be enough if he can't sense god ki? If he is going by the previous vegito who fought buuhan it's not the same vegito. Goku and vegeta have got stronger and the boost will be way beyond that. And goku is not good at math so how would he know the new vegito won't be enough. Fusion is not just some simple addition. There's no pin point how strong the new vegito would be unless they actually fused. I Notice everytime someone bring up fusion a lot of people used that line what goku said. Everything goku thinks or predicted is not always right.

So why does so much people go off that?


And sorry for any miss spell guy's.
He was judging based off the initial attack. Do recall Piccolo questioned Goku if they could beat the Artificial Humans with Goku saying he doesn't know but will let him know after he's tried fighting them. Vegito is still him kinda and the boosts will never change, it'll just be stacked upon the union fusion. Not always, but he wasn't proved wrong nor he didn't retract the statement.
I didn't say the fusion change but goku and vegeta power levels change since last time they fused to vegito. So the result would not be the same as last time. Both of them was above mys gohan or around that level at BOG arc. So think how much stronger they fusion will be?
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Jul 1 2016, 08:37 PM
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Jul 1 2016, 06:01 PM
How would goku know fusion won't be enough if he can't sense god ki? If he is going by the previous vegito who fought buuhan it's not the same vegito. Goku and vegeta have got stronger and the boost will be way beyond that. And goku is not good at math so how would he know the new vegito won't be enough. Fusion is not just some simple addition. There's no pin point how strong the new vegito would be unless they actually fused. I Notice everytime someone bring up fusion a lot of people used that line what goku said. Everything goku thinks or predicted is not always right.

So why does so much people go off that?


And sorry for any miss spell guy's.
He was judging based off the initial attack. Do recall Piccolo questioned Goku if they could beat the Artificial Humans with Goku saying he doesn't know but will let him know after he's tried fighting them. Vegito is still him kinda and the boosts will never change, it'll just be stacked upon the union fusion. Not always, but he wasn't proved wrong nor he didn't retract the statement.
I didn't say the fusion change but goku and vegeta power levels change since last time they fused to vegito. So the result would not be the same as last time. Both of them was above mys gohan or around that level at BOG arc. So think how much stronger they fusion will be?
I know but the boosts will still be applied to their battle power.
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Jul 1 2016, 08:37 PM
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Jul 1 2016, 06:01 PM
How would goku know fusion won't be enough if he can't sense god ki? If he is going by the previous vegito who fought buuhan it's not the same vegito. Goku and vegeta have got stronger and the boost will be way beyond that. And goku is not good at math so how would he know the new vegito won't be enough. Fusion is not just some simple addition. There's no pin point how strong the new vegito would be unless they actually fused. I Notice everytime someone bring up fusion a lot of people used that line what goku said. Everything goku thinks or predicted is not always right.

So why does so much people go off that?


And sorry for any miss spell guy's.
He was judging based off the initial attack. Do recall Piccolo questioned Goku if they could beat the Artificial Humans with Goku saying he doesn't know but will let him know after he's tried fighting them. Vegito is still him kinda and the boosts will never change, it'll just be stacked upon the union fusion. Not always, but he wasn't proved wrong nor he didn't retract the statement.
I didn't say the fusion change but goku and vegeta power levels change since last time they fused to vegito. So the result would not be the same as last time. Both of them was above mys gohan or around that level at BOG arc. So think how much stronger they fusion will be?
I know but the boosts will still be applied to their battle power.
What makes you think goku knows the boost of the fusion? Unless he has a guide of the ear ring fusion. We know he not good at math so how would he know? And by them been at the level they at shouldn't that base vegito be stronger then ssj vegito from buu arc.
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Wasn't this in the anime, manga and movie? I think that's Toriyama's way of letting us know that Beerus was vastly stronger than any fusion and a segway into introducing a new form.
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Jul 1 2016, 10:15 PM
Wasn't this in the anime, manga and movie? I think that's Toriyama's way of letting us know that Beerus was vastly stronger than any fusion and a segway into introducing a new form.
Wasn't in the manga.
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