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| Why do people complain that Cabba>>> Buu tier fighters? | |
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| Goddess Ultimecia | Jun 30 2016, 07:37 AM Post #16 |
 
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Had to deal with this in one of my RP Circles recently, simply saying "other universe therefore your objection is null" is not a good enough explanation. Unless it's specifically pointed out that Saiyans in U6 can get stronger by passing flatulence, I'm going to need a better explanation. What makes my head spin are those that believe that Freeza is stronger than Goku before the god powerup being cool with Cabba just being this strong in base. How is it that someone like Goku who trains his heart day in, day out, alive, or dead. Ends up coming short of some random pipsqueak we've never heard of, who has never gained SSJ, likely has never died and thus had access to Kai training? That or the myriad of sparring partners that starting a family with hybrids would beget? Sorry if it's a little hard to swallow that in the home universe there are only less than eight Saiyans that have surpassed normal Saiyan parameters (mind you Ginyu Force thought 60,000 BP Saiyans was impossible and needed to be mutants to achieve something like that), yet in U6 they pop these f***ers out apparently like they're from assembly lines? Like, I don't even like Goku anymore, just as a result of recent material making him some infallible god and making Gohan more pathetic with each appearance, but at the very least you can treat the all-star with some respect for his accomplishments and not hand it off to someone who's family history regarding power has about the same length as a grain of salt has mass. Edited by Goddess Ultimecia, Jun 30 2016, 07:46 AM.
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| breaker335 | Jun 30 2016, 07:57 AM Post #17 |
 
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Well we don't have anything else to go off of. There can be many different factors that Toriyama may or may not address. I have a headcanon on why the saiyans are so strong but it's late and I'm tired so I'll just do it tomorrow.
Edited by breaker335, Jun 30 2016, 07:58 AM.
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| Goddess Ultimecia | Jun 30 2016, 08:03 AM Post #18 |
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At the end of the day, that's all it is, headcanon. I don't want to sound mean, but it is the equivalent of speculation with barely any base to it. What we have now, is a character that is ludicrously strong with a reason as shallow as a puddle. |
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| Tinny | Jun 30 2016, 10:39 AM Post #19 |
 
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Isn't Cabba from a mirror universe anyway? It can't be that different from their own reality, so I wouldn't expect everyone to so easily be so much stronger. |
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| ekrolo2 | Jun 30 2016, 11:54 AM Post #20 |
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Cabba is stronger than Boo tier fighters yet he's never been pressured enough to turn into a Super Saiyan. Unless they explain this as U6 Saiyan's simply being born really powerful in contrast to their U7 counterparts, this is some serious bullcrap. |
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| + Pointer | Jun 30 2016, 12:37 PM Post #21 |
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cabba doesnt even know about the fact of super saiyan. Its really hard to believe him being above buu in base without any knowledge of ssj |
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| superperfectnerd | Jun 30 2016, 01:20 PM Post #22 |
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Exactly, Goku and Vegeta struggled and struggled for their power and were pressured into achieving ssj and levels beyond it and yet some kid saiyan from universe 6 is stronger than Majin Buu, terror of the universe? Not only that but Cabba isn't even exceptional, he's just a run of the mill saiyan from his universe and they're all like him. A planet full of super strong non super saiyans. |
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| lazerbem | Jun 30 2016, 01:40 PM Post #23 |
 
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I have no problem with someone like Hit being tougher than Boo, it's clear that he takes himself seriously and is experienced, but Cabba is so damn green. He acts like a complete novice to the point that he needs coaching in the middle of a battle and he has confidence issues to boot as well. |
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| + Solid Snake | Jun 30 2016, 04:29 PM Post #24 |
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Cabba and Saiyans in universe six have been stated to have evolved beyond needing the tails at a long time ago or straight out born without em. This outcome could've been a step closer for Saiyans (Cabba in particular) to gain tremendous power during his life span due to them not focusing on controlling the power of the Oozaru (which make Saiyans 10 times stronger but also wild and beserk) transformation and likely take a nonaggressive approach to gaining power working together as a team. I blame the tails for Saiyans in universe seven being akin to their primal metamorphosis due to this. |
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| Goddess Ultimecia | Jun 30 2016, 04:32 PM Post #25 |
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That would suggest that U6 average Saiyans have the same dormant power as the mirror universe's top tier Saiyans however. Said Saiyans have blown up what was previously thought inconceivable even for royalty to the point that it's more or less a speck of dust in comparison to a mountain. I sincerely doubt that comes as a result of not needing a tail, especially because our home town heroes stopped focusing on tails and started doing nothing but non-tail training. |
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| ekrolo2 | Jun 30 2016, 04:40 PM Post #26 |
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Isn't the tail thing a manga exclusive detail that's not ever mentioned in the anime? |
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| + ThePrinceOfSaiyans | Jun 30 2016, 04:40 PM Post #27 |
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Zenkais. It's generally agreed upon that Zenkais became minuscule as a result of attaining Super Saiyan. |
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| ekrolo2 | Jun 30 2016, 04:45 PM Post #28 |
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I could buy that if there was a chance anyone writing remembered those existed :P Hell, I'm surprised anyone remembered what Kaio-ken was enough to bring it back. |
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| breaker335 | Jun 30 2016, 05:34 PM Post #29 |
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I'm back so here's my head canon: The Saiyans being stronger in U6 compared to U7 might be due to there being no Frieza to keep them in check. Remember, Frieza feared the legend of the Super Saiyan and most likely made sure the Saiyans didn't get too strong, stopping their potential from ever being realized. With no Frieza to bring them down, they could train all they want to the point they might not need the SSJ transformation.
Yes and no. Not everything's 1 to 1. For example, Earth was destroyed long ago and the Saiyans aren't malicious. |
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| superperfectnerd | Jun 30 2016, 06:17 PM Post #30 |
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I hate that theory because it undermines ssj. If Goku hadn't transformed against Frieza (yes I realise he wouldn't have won) but if he somehow survived all these years without ssj, he'd actually be stronger in base than he was as a ssj3 against Buu? I can't buy that. |
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