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Head Canon: Why did Trunks or Bulma never use the Namekian Dragon Balls?
Topic Started: Jun 29 2016, 07:19 PM (1,244 Views)
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Jun 29 2016, 08:48 PM
Goku and everyone wouldn't have bodies in otherworld would they? You need a God to do that for you, and with Kami gone, and Kaio presumably not knowing everyone is dead, no ones there to give them one.
Is that how that works? I'm pretty sure you just need to be a good person to keep your body.
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Jun 29 2016, 09:01 PM
Clearin
Jun 29 2016, 08:48 PM
Goku and everyone wouldn't have bodies in otherworld would they? You need a God to do that for you, and with Kami gone, and Kaio presumably not knowing everyone is dead, no ones there to give them one.
Is that how that works? I'm pretty sure you just need to be a good person to keep your body.
Yeah I think so. They only mentioned something like that during the Saiyan Saga. But nothing like that during the Cell/Buu Saga.
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Jun 29 2016, 08:48 PM
Goku and everyone wouldn't have bodies in otherworld would they? You need a God to do that for you, and with Kami gone, and Kaio presumably not knowing everyone is dead, no ones there to give them one.
Emma keeps Vegeta's body and Kami never had anything to do with him. Also, Goku died in the afterlife when Cell blew up and immediately had his body there too. So, it stands to reason everyone would get them by default in the afterlife if they died again.
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Jun 29 2016, 09:17 PM
Clearin
Jun 29 2016, 08:48 PM
Goku and everyone wouldn't have bodies in otherworld would they? You need a God to do that for you, and with Kami gone, and Kaio presumably not knowing everyone is dead, no ones there to give them one.
Emma keeps Vegeta's body and Kami never had anything to do with him. Also, Goku died in the afterlife when Cell blew up and immediately had his body there too. So, it stands to reason everyone would get them by default in the afterlife if they died again.
In the Cell saga Goku died right next to Kaio. Who is a God.
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Jun 29 2016, 09:20 PM
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Jun 29 2016, 09:17 PM
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Jun 29 2016, 08:48 PM
Goku and everyone wouldn't have bodies in otherworld would they? You need a God to do that for you, and with Kami gone, and Kaio presumably not knowing everyone is dead, no ones there to give them one.
Emma keeps Vegeta's body and Kami never had anything to do with him. Also, Goku died in the afterlife when Cell blew up and immediately had his body there too. So, it stands to reason everyone would get them by default in the afterlife if they died again.
In the Cell saga Goku died right next to Kaio. Who is a God.
Kaio didn't ask for any special permissions for him though. When Goku died against Raditz, they went to the check-in station to have Kami converse with Emma so Goku kept his body, indicating Emma plays a part in who can get this privilege and who can't. Goku and Kaio never went to see Emma when he died against Cell, he just has it automatically. He didn't even end up in the check-in station when he died like everyone else does. This tells us that if a dead soul earns the right to keep his or her body and stays good then dies again, they'll get to keep it upon repeated deaths.
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Jun 29 2016, 09:23 PM
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Jun 29 2016, 09:20 PM
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Clearin
Jun 29 2016, 08:48 PM
Goku and everyone wouldn't have bodies in otherworld would they? You need a God to do that for you, and with Kami gone, and Kaio presumably not knowing everyone is dead, no ones there to give them one.
Emma keeps Vegeta's body and Kami never had anything to do with him. Also, Goku died in the afterlife when Cell blew up and immediately had his body there too. So, it stands to reason everyone would get them by default in the afterlife if they died again.
In the Cell saga Goku died right next to Kaio. Who is a God.
Kaio didn't ask for any special permissions for him though. When Goku died against Raditz, they went to the check-in station to have Kami converse with Emma so Goku kept his body, indicating Emma plays a part in who can get this privilege and who can't. Goku and Kaio never went to see Emma when he died against Cell, he just has it automatically. He didn't even end up in the check-in station when he died like everyone else does. This tells us that if a dead soul earns the right to keep his or her body and stays good then dies again, they'll get to keep it upon repeated deaths.
Well Kaio probably outrnaks Enma and can make those decisions himself. Kami isn't a God in the same was Kaio is, he's a Namekian who is God by title basically. He might have some say in this stuff, but Enma gets more of a say over him I'd say.
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Kami is a god according to guidebooks, and in Super, Dende can sense divine Ki.
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Jun 29 2016, 09:44 PM
Kami is a god according to guidebooks, and in Super, Dende can sense divine Ki.
He's still a lesser God, though, explaining why he needs to ask Emma permission for Goku to keep his body. Although, I think Emma himself probably gives this right to anyone with a good enough track record and wants the privilege. I doubt many planets have an equivalent to Kami and if they do, we sure as hell never hear anything about it. The closest thing to one is the anime filler giving Planet Vegeta a guardian who caused the planets destruction but that was long before the Bardock special happened.
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Jun 29 2016, 09:44 PM
Kami is a god according to guidebooks, and in Super, Dende can sense divine Ki.
He's still a lesser God, though, explaining why he needs to ask Emma permission for Goku to keep his body. Although, I think Emma himself probably gives this right to anyone with a good enough track record and wants the privilege. I doubt many planets have an equivalent to Kami and if they do, we sure as hell never hear anything about it. The closest thing to one is the anime filler giving Planet Vegeta a guardian who caused the planets destruction but that was long before the Bardock special happened.
Why would Dende be less of a god than Kami?
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Jun 29 2016, 09:52 PM
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Jun 29 2016, 09:44 PM
Kami is a god according to guidebooks, and in Super, Dende can sense divine Ki.
He's still a lesser God, though, explaining why he needs to ask Emma permission for Goku to keep his body. Although, I think Emma himself probably gives this right to anyone with a good enough track record and wants the privilege. I doubt many planets have an equivalent to Kami and if they do, we sure as hell never hear anything about it. The closest thing to one is the anime filler giving Planet Vegeta a guardian who caused the planets destruction but that was long before the Bardock special happened.
Why would Dende be less of a god than Kami?
I meant Kami AND Dende. They aren't naturally born Gods, just mortals given divine titles and some divine power (somehow). The Kai's, Emma, Beerus, and Whis have existed since the beginning of life. Even the Kai's have a hierarchy to them with lower Kai's such as King Kai looking over the 4-quadrants of the universe, all of whom answer to a Grand Kai who answers to the Supreme Kai's.
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Vegeta would have likely been reincarnated by that point. If I recall correctly, Yemma only allowed him to keep his body in the Buu arc because he was the strongest individual they had who could oppose Buu, a universal threat. The others would presumably be allowed to keep their bodies, though. Not sure about Yajirobe. He didn't really go to much lengths to prove himself worthy of having one. That whole arrangement is supposed to be a rare bequeathal given only to those who have truly earned it. Not even the humans except maybe Krillin seem to have done very much that would justify them being given this honour, and certainly not Piccolo who's acts of redemption can be summed as "rescuing a child, respecting the wishes of a dying Namekian brethren, protecting everyone from Frieza until Vegeta took over, and then rescuing Goku from drowning". I can't see why Piccolo would be permissible unless him being recycled lead to the same result as Kami being unjustly taken out of the afterlife to resume the cycle of life again because of his alter ego's crimes.
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I think Piccolo has a shot. He doesn't ever do anything super evil unless aspiring and failing to conquer the world counts and the past few years he's generally gotten better. Helped protect the planet (twice), helped bring down an evil emperor with the blood of billions on his hands.

If nothing else, Kami and Piccolo would be in the check-in station together like they were when they died against Nappa so he's got someone to vouch for him again. Vegeta's totally screwed though.
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Piccolo might have a chance, but if doesn't have his body, then yeah, the future is f***ed, and as we can see, the future is f***ed. I don't think it's unreasonable to assume then that Piccolo doesn't have a body to train with. With all that said, I'd then wonder why Trunks didn't revive everyone after he took care of the Artificial Humans and Cell.
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Were Trunks and Bulma aware that the one year requirement on the Dragon Balls was changed?
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The one-year rule only applies to those revived in mass, so it's never really changed.
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