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How strong is future trunks ssj 1 and 2?; Every fight in super there's a question in power levels!
Topic Started: Jun 26 2016, 05:01 PM (12,100 Views)
Amerson26 Jun 26 2016, 05:01 PM Post #1
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What level do you guy's have future trunks?



Future Trunks ssj 1
Mssj goku at cell games?
Mssj goku doing the buu Sega
Gohan turn ssj doing ROF
Goku turn ssj against frost

Future Trunks ssj 2
Strong as Majin vegeta
Strong as vegeta that fought kid buy
Strong as ssj 2 vegeta that fought beerus?

Or is he far beyond theses level's since goku Base form is stronger then a ssj 3. Which make this all the more confusion🙍

Because we also seen goku wasn't break a sweat against tunks. So were do we place him?
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ekrolo2 Jun 26 2016, 05:08 PM Post #2
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 If the two base theory is correct then he's probably around Mister Boo level now.

If it isn't then he's at least 100 times stronger than SS3 Gotenks in SS2.
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+ Son-Goku Jun 26 2016, 05:08 PM Post #3
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 He is far stronger than what he was and much closer to Goku and Vegeta than any of the other Z-Fighters.

Goku- 80
Vegeta- 80
Future Trunks- 65

He's still weaker but much stronger than a lot of characters. He'd be able to one-shot people like Majin Buu and Super Perfect Cell no sweat imo.
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Amerson26 Jun 26 2016, 05:09 PM Post #4
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ekrolo2
Jun 26 2016, 05:08 PM
If the two base theory is correct then he's probably around Mister Boo level now.

If it isn't then he's at least 100 times stronger than SS3 Gotenks in SS2.
How strong you have they base form. We know goku has god ki in his base form but can't say same about trunks.
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ekrolo2 Jun 26 2016, 06:39 PM Post #5
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Jun 26 2016, 05:09 PM
ekrolo2
Jun 26 2016, 05:08 PM
If the two base theory is correct then he's probably around Mister Boo level now.

If it isn't then he's at least 100 times stronger than SS3 Gotenks in SS2.
How strong you have they base form. We know goku has god ki in his base form but can't say same about trunks.
According to the anime, their base form is strong enough to one shot Gotenks in Super Saiyan 3, Trunks must be on a comparable level for Goku to bother using any transformation in their spar at all.
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+ ThePrinceOfSaiyans Jun 26 2016, 06:56 PM Post #6
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 I try to avoid power scaling this series, as it usually ends in headache, but the 2-base theory is looking really good right now. If I were to abide by that, SSJ2 Trunks would be a little stronger than Mr. Boo IMO.
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Wong Lee Jun 26 2016, 07:19 PM Post #7
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 It's hard to say for now. But, I guess he is somewhere between Gohan Pre Z sword and Gohan Post Z sword.

@ Trunks must be on a comparable level for Goku to bother using any transformation in their spar at all.

Goku fought with Trunks only to assess how strong Black Goku might be by using himself as a measuring stick for Trunks so that Trunks could roughly compare Black's power with Goku's power.
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ekrolo2 Jun 26 2016, 07:39 PM Post #8
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Jun 26 2016, 07:19 PM
It's hard to say for now. But, I guess he is somewhere between Gohan Pre Z sword and Gohan Post Z sword.

@ Trunks must be on a comparable level for Goku to bother using any transformation in their spar at all.

Goku fought with Trunks only to assess how strong Black Goku might be by using himself as a measuring stick for Trunks so that Trunks could roughly compare Black's power with Goku's power.
Given how powerful his base form and how it can pretty much vary from farmer to a shotgun to murder Super Boo levels unless Trunks' power is actually so high he absolutely needs to transform, he could've done the same thing in base.
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Wong Lee Jun 26 2016, 08:13 PM Post #9
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 @he could've done the same thing in base.

Which is true. I guess he just wanted to show trunks SSJ3 or I guess powering up with transformation is faster than powering up in base or I guess it was just cool to show SSJ1/SSJ2 Goku spar with SSJ2 Trunks you know since this anime and all. I personally think Goku transformed because powering up in base would take time whereas transformations allow you to power up in "Blocks" of power. So, essentially Goku transforming allowed him to raise the measuring stick faster and help Trunks to narrow down on Black's current power with respect to Goku.

@Trunks' power is actually so high..

Here is the thing Trunks says that his battle with Dabura and Babdi was extremely hard. He then continues and says that he somehow managed to win it with the help of Supreme Kai's instructions. So, Trunks has to be somewhere between SSJ2 Goku/Vegeta(Majin) and Post Z Sword Gohan if Trunks was fighting as SSJ with Dabura. Else if he was fighting as SSJ2 with dabura then he has to be somewhere Between Gohan Pre Z sword and SSJ2 Goku/Vegeta.
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ekrolo2 Jun 26 2016, 08:32 PM Post #10
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Jun 26 2016, 08:13 PM
@he could've done the same thing in base.

Which is true. I guess he just wanted to show trunks SSJ3 or I guess powering up with transformation is faster than powering up in base or I guess it was just cool to show SSJ1/SSJ2 Goku spar with SSJ2 Trunks you know since this anime and all. I personally think Goku transformed because powering up in base would take time whereas transformations allow you to power up in "Blocks" of power. So, essentially Goku transforming allowed him to raise the measuring stick faster and help Trunks to narrow down on Black's current power with respect to Goku.

@Trunks' power is actually so high..

Here is the thing Trunks says that his battle with Dabura and Babdi was extremely hard. He then continues and says that he somehow managed to win it with the help of Supreme Kai's instructions. So, Trunks has to be somewhere between SSJ2 Goku/Vegeta(Majin) and Post Z Sword Gohan if Trunks was fighting as SSJ with Dabura. Else if he was fighting as SSJ2 with dabura then he has to be somewhere Between Gohan Pre Z sword and SSJ2 Goku/Vegeta.
I agree with your assessment of Trunks' power, that's where he realistically should be but the anime is, as usual, being an overcomplicated mess again.

The problem with the transformation thing is that it's really just pointless. Let me show you why.

Trunks - 1 (Base)
- 50 (SS)
- 100 (SS2)

Goku - 2000 (Base)
- 1 (really, really suppressed Base)
- 50 (SS)
- 100 (SS2)

So, Goku powers down his base form to match Trunks' then keeps it suppressed to match his SS then his SS2.... Why does he have to do this? Its his base form! It should be the one that's easiest to fluctuate in power at a moment's notice, why can't he just drop his base to match Trunks' transformations then power it up for the measuring stick with Black angle?





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Wong Lee Jun 26 2016, 08:52 PM Post #11
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 Okay, let's take your example for simplicity,

Goku - 2000 (Base)
- 1 (really, really suppressed Base)
- 50 (SS)
- 100 (SS2)

As you can see from 1 -> 50 using SSJ it took him only 1 step to power up to 50. And then 50 - > 100 as SSJ2 also took him only 1 step. Now lets say he wants to do the same thing but not with transformations.

Note, we don't know how many steps(or whatever measuring unit they use) it would take for Goku to power up from 1 to 2 or 50 or 100 or X in his base form. Let's say it takes 1 step to power up from X power level to X + 1 power level. So, that means that if he wants to power up from 1 to 50 it would take him 50 steps. But, whereas he could do the same thing in just 1 step by transforming into SSJ.

I hope you got the point. That's basically just a rough idea/explanation.
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ekrolo2 Jun 26 2016, 08:59 PM Post #12
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Jun 26 2016, 08:52 PM
Okay, let's take your example for simplicity,

Goku - 2000 (Base)
- 1 (really, really suppressed Base)
- 50 (SS)
- 100 (SS2)

As you can see from 1 -> 50 using SSJ it took him only 1 step to power up to 50. And then 50 - > 100 as SSJ2 also took him only 1 step. Now lets say he wants to do the same thing but not with transformations.

Note, we don't know how many steps(or whatever measuring unit they use) it would take for Goku to power up from 1 to 2 or 50 or 100 or X in his base form. Let's say it takes 1 step to power up from X power level to X + 1 power level. So, that means that if he wants to power up from 1 to 50 it would take him 50 steps. But, whereas he could do the same thing in just 1 step by transforming into SSJ.

I hope you got the point. That's basically just a rough idea/explanation.
I'd have an easier time buying this step system if we didn't see it constantly get broken. Goku's a good example of this, he instantly transforms into a SS2 against Boo, then when Bootenks comes charging at him he instantly powers up to 3, skipping about 400 "steps" in an instant effortlessly. Vegeta powers up to SS2 as well, skipping over 1 and Gotenks goes from 1 to 3, skipping over 2.

I can see what you're trying to get at, it's just too hard of a pill for me to swallow. Especially because this is their base, regular states were talking about, the forms that should by all accounts let them go from 0 to 200 billion in a moments notice. But then again, Super Saiyan wasn't mastered in the Cell Games according to the anime so I wouldn't be surprised if base forms suddenly became a hassle to control too.
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Wong Lee Jun 26 2016, 09:05 PM Post #13
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 @I'd have an easier time buying this step system if we didn't see it constantly get broken. Goku's a good example of this, he instantly transforms into a SS2 against Boo, then when Bootenks comes charging at him he instantly powers up to 3, skipping about 400 "steps" in an instant effortlessly.

@I can see what you're trying to get at, it's just too hard of a pill for me to swallow. Especially because this is their base, regular states were talking about, the forms that should by all accounts let them go from 0 to 200 billion in a moments notice. But then again, Super Saiyan wasn't mastered in the Cell Games according to the anime so I wouldn't be surprised if base forms suddenly became a hassle to control too.


Yeah, I just gave that as an example on top of my head and to keep it simple. The "step" for base is obviously >1 and depends on other factors like how well they are used to being in that power level and all that.
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Amerson26 Jun 26 2016, 10:08 PM Post #14
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Idk if that was the case why goku turn ssj against frost? And what about the time he was fighting Frieza in his base form? Which freza one shot gohan in first form. Which made everything confusion.
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breaker335 Jun 26 2016, 10:10 PM Post #15
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 It's just Goku being Goku, holding back when he really shouldn't to enjoy a fight longer.
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