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So we don't really have a government right now?
Topic Started: Jun 26 2016, 04:26 PM (1,313 Views)
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I want that too but unfortunately some people in the government are using this as an excuse to play politics. Selfish mother f***ers are putting their careers ahead of what's good for the whole country.

And Chris Bryant's just resigned who I actually like.
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It's not really fair to blame old people when there are plenty of young, voting age people who didn't partake. You could just as well blame their lack of participation as old people throwing their lot in.

It is what it is.

If Scotland manage to leave the UK and remain in the EU without anything being changed for them, I'd be mightily impressed. That's pretty much a dream, and anyone who can make that happen would surely become a national hero.

Fact is, however, they're almost certainly going to have to have to vote out of the UK, apply to the EU, hope to get voted in—though Spain will probably veto because they don't want any Catalan separatists getting riled-up—and, as per the Amsterdam act, they'll have absolutely no choice but to take on the euro and join the Schengen area. At least one of those is wholly undesirable.

I'm sure that would have a number of them second-guessing their Mel Gibson impersonations.

Scotland voted to be part of the UK, and when the UK was asked whether it wanted to be in or out of the EU, the UK—of which Scotland is part of, per their own opinion—said out. I'm sure they're unhappy, but so are other areas of the UK, London included, with its population that exceeds that of both Scotland and Northern Ireland combined, but they're not all clamouring for a neverendum.

They would have had another one at some point, anyway.

Cameron exudes uselessness. He supposedly asked prior to his resignation "why should I do all the hard s***?" It seems he thinks he doesn't have to get involved when things don't go his way, but instead the way the majority—albeit a very slim majority—of the UK want it to go. I'm quite certain he said previously that he wouldn't leave in such an event, too.

He's still around for the time being, though, and then everyone will just have to put up with Boris for a while.

I'm not sure why you think leaving the EU means the UK will be isolating itself from the world, though, Bex? That's essentially an impossibility.
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Says alot about modern democracy where the upper leadership just ran off in the middle of the night like a deadbeat dad.......and that hasn't really affected business as usual.

Mind, the UK got real good at "business as usual under extraordinary circumstances"
This does bring up an interesting point. Previous forms of government, whether it be something like communism or an entire empire, have been known to collapse. Maybe it's a sign that democracy might be starting to decline. Of course, that usually takes hundreds to thousands of years for that to happen. And a form of government usually becomes something else but a different name. A dictatorship is no different than royalty ruling or socialism being communism. Maybe I'm just looking to deep into things. XD
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I fear for what will come in the future now. Am I correct in taking that things are really escalating for the world?
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Possibly. But I am hopeful that this is simply a transitional period between old leaders and new ones. Hopefully the stupid politics of the situation doesn't get too much in the way of progress. I think this is all still fixable.


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That would be good if it were just a transition. I'm just really not sure what to think. If you knew what my friend has been showing me you'd see why I'm worried for the worst.

Also, it's been affecting our stocks in a major way, which is really dumb and inconsiderate of them.
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So many people in the U.K. are devastated by this. It's sad that the top 5 Googled questions in the U.K., just hours after they voted to leave the E.U., were things like "what would happen if we left the EU?" "how many countries are in the EU?" and even more sad, "what is the E.U.?".

Fact is, the world is changing. Dramatically. A lot has happened on an international scale in just a month. I can't comment personally on what I view is at least a temporary tragedy caused by ignorance and xenophobia in the United Kingdom, but, in the United States, our economy suffered a pretty good blow from the Brexit vote. The Dow dropped by about 600 points on the first day following the opening of the market.

I don't know what happens next. I'm afraid, this did not happen to my country. But other storms are brewing; I certainly don't want to be around for when the consequences of our ignorance come and bear their fruits.
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Regarding the trending Google searches surrounding the E.U. in the wake of the decision, I was shocked by that at first, but thinking about it, that could quite easily have been under-18 year olds (who can't vote) trying to find out what was going on. Or some of the 30% who didn't vote who wanted to know what was going on. Although I'm sure there's a certain amount of people who voted who were part of those searches.
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Corbyn isn't going anywhere. He's the only true strong left-wing leader in the UK at the moment. If he resigns, he's just going to be replaced by a Blairite or, if not, somebody who's much more centre.
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Exactly. The only two people who are even close to being leadership worthy are Andy Burnham and Chuka Umunna. One of these has just been elected mayor of Manchester so he's not going to do it. The other has no interest in being leader due to concerns about his family's privacy and all that. Now perhaps Alan Johnson could step up? I like him but I don't see him as good leadership material. Caroline Flint? No definitely not. Too much of a plastic politician for my liking.

I've been looking at the people who have resigned so far and I have to say, for the most part it's probably good riddance. I'm not sure what some of them were even doing there in the first place.
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On the bright side it looks like they may attempt a do-over vote to repeal the original decision.
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There will be no second referendum but Scotland are looking at ways to veto the decision.


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There is a petition to get it dicussed in parliament so I wouldn't be so sure of that Pel.
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Apparently the petition was made up by some fake signatures. I don't think there will be another referendum, nor do I think their should be. The decision's been made. We have a second one, we'll have to have a third one if the result comes out Remain, since it'd be 1-1. That'd just be silly. There would also almost definitely be rioting at an overturned decision and it would only further the divide among the public, which seems to have died down slightly even a few days after the result now that many people have gotten it out of their system.
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Exactly. People in other countries were putting their names on the petition among other fraudulent things. Plus all it does is get a question raised in parliament about it, which basically means nothing.

We still have two years to see how this goes as well. I have almost no doubt the pound will rise again. But if things are still bad within that time then we should be able to say hold on, maybe this wasn't such a wise idea? Of course if article 50 is signed in that time then that might not be possible.


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