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Super Episode 49 (26 June 2016)
Topic Started: Jun 26 2016, 12:32 AM (8,661 Views)
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Wow, where I do I begin? This was quite an episode. Ok, so Trunks just had PTSD, and Bulma slapped him out of it really quickly. After that, Beerus and Whis examine Trunks's time machine, where Whis explains the butterfly effect. Beerus wants to destroy it, but Trunks pleads with Whis not to destroy it, thinking Whis is the god of destruction. Beerus agrees not to destroy it if they give him something he's never eaten before, and of course they do. Vegeta then proceeds to ask what Trunks is doing in the present, and if Majin Boo is the cause. Trunks explains that Bobbidi tried to revive Boo in his timeline, but Trunks trained with Kaioshin and managed to defeat Dabura and Bobbidi preventing his resurrection. Trunks then explains that the person that's responsible for his dark future is Goku, or rather Goku-Black. After this Goku wants to spar with Trunks to see how strong Trunks has become, and Trunks transforms into a Super Saiyan 2, and his able to keep up with Goku. Goku then turns into a Super Saiyan 3 and defeats Trunks. At that point Piccolo and Kuririn show up, and when they show up Black appears in the present and is surprised to see Goku. That's where the episode ends. It was a very good one, but my stream kept cutting out toward the end, which pissed me off!
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Trunks has attacked Goku, much to everyone’s confusion, but Bulma quickly smacks some sense into him. Trunks is amazed to see Goku still alive, since last he knew Goku died during the battle with Cell.

Goku says that “a lot” has happened since then, and Bulma asks Trunks what’s going on. Hearing that this young man is named “Trunks”, Beerus and Whis confirm that this is also kid Trunks’ name, and guess that time travel shenanigans are afoot.

Meanwhile, the Pilaf Gang continue to make a fuss about Future Trunks being Bulma and Vegeta’s illegitimate child and what a scandal this all is, so Bulma finally explains for everyone that the two Trunks are simply two different versions of the same person, from different time periods. Kid Trunks is shocked to learn that this newcomer is a version of himself from the future.

Everyone goes outside to the time machine, which Bulma explains is her great invention. Future Trunks notes how he previously used it to come to this time line when kid Trunks was just a baby. Whis is impressed that a human could really build a time machine…but points out that it’s a serious crime to travel to the past or future, or otherwise manipulate time.

Meanwhile in the future, Goku Black continues to be perplexed at his inability to locate Trunks. He can’t find Trunks’ ki anywhere on the planet. However, there’s a sudden reaction from the ring on his finger. This “Time Ring”, as he calls it, creates a portal…

Back in the present, Whis explains how time is ordinarily only supposed to flow in one direction. If you turn back time to travel to the past and, for instance, pluck a flower, this can have an enormous effect on all later history. Cities and even entire cultures can change, and whole planets can vanish from the universe.

That’s why time travel is strictly regulated, even among the gods. Trunks is surprised to hear Whis mention “gods”, and Bulma explains that Whis and Beerus came from “the world of the gods”.

Beerus says that he could destroy all of them for this crime, and Bulma freaks out, saying that she wasn’t actually the one who built the time machine: it was only her future self! Beerus thinks it hardly makes a difference though.

Meanwhile, Trunks desperately begs Whis for mercy…but Whis explains that Beerus is the god, not him (he’s just an attendant). Trunks now begs Beerus to punish him alone and spare his mother, and Beerus agrees to overlook the offense if they treat him to a new food. Bulma provides some fish sausages, which satisfy Beerus and Whis.

Over in the fields, Piccolo and Kuririn have finally finished the harvest. Chi Chi tells them about the reappearance of the time machine and Future Trunks, so they hurry over to Capsule Corporation. Goten wants to go too, but Chi Chi is adamant that he needs to study for his test.

Bulma (with the Pilaf Gang tagging along) goes into the time machine to check out its condition. She discovers that it has run out of fuel, meaning Future Trunks can’t return to his own time. However, just as Bulma wonders what her future self had in mind, she discovers a notebook in her own handwriting, addressed to herself.

Vegeta asks Trunks what’s gone wrong in the future. Did Majin Boo appear? Trunks explains that no, he was able to defeat Dabra and Babidi and successfully prevent Boo’s resurrection, with help from the instructions Kaioshin gave him (though it was a difficult fight). However, afterwards an even more fearsome foe appeared…

At this point, Trunks again apologizes for attacking Goku. When he saw Goku, he mistook him for this new opponent, and assumed he had failed to travel back in time. In fact, the enemy in the future calls himself “Son Goku”, and looks just like him. However, he wears black clothing, and so they in the future have taken to calling him “Goku Black”. Bulma complains about this clichéd name, but Future Trunks says it was her future self who coined it.

Trunks goes on: when this “Goku Black” appeared on Earth, he said he would exterminate all the Earthlings “for the sake of justice”. Black said he has already wiped out several planets and their inhabitants like this. After fighting against Black for a year, there are now very few Earthlings left in the future. Even Bulma was killed shortly before he came to the past.

Vegeta criticizes his son for “shamelessly” running away, but Bulma steps in, saying the answers are all in the notebook she found. It’s a message from her future self: besides notes (in Bulma’s bad handwriting) it also contains a disc, all full of data for repairing and maintaining the time machine.

With this, Bulma can create more fuel, allowing Trunks to bring Goku and Vegeta back with him to the future to defeat Black. Goku is up for the task, but Vegeta insists he’ll be the one to defeat this future Kakarot. Meanwhile, Beerus thinks they’re all underestimating the complexity of time.

Goku requests a short sparring match with Trunks, in order to help him gauge how strong Black must be. Trunks quickly powers up to his Super Saiyan 2 form, so Goku follows suit. In order to prevent any collateral damage from the match, Bulma activates a protective force field around Capsule Corporation.

Goku is impressed with Trunks’ strength, but Trunks notes how it was no use against Black, who kept powering up more and more as they fought. Hearing this, Goku becomes Super Saiyan 3, and blocks Trunks’ full power blow with just his fingers.

Though Trunks is quickly beaten, Goku is still impressed at how much he’s improved all on his own. And yet this means Black must be even stronger. Trunks confirms this, saying that Black is at least as strong as Goku, if not stronger. Goku is happy to hear this.

Piccolo and Kuririn arrive, but before Trunks can fill them in on the story, a portal appears in the sky and Black steps out. He quickly spots Trunks, then Goku. “So, you’re Son Goku?” “You’re Black, I take it?” The two eye each other intensely…
Edited by ThePrinceOfSaiyans, Jun 26 2016, 03:18 AM.
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I don't see what's so hard to believe about Trunks killing Dabura. As we're told, he trains in his down time, and this is clearly after he killed Cell, so I don't have a hard time believing that with a little help from Kaioshin he could defeat Dabura.
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Yeah, Gohan could have as well but he was fighting like an amateur. Trunks is just saying he probably needed advice to counter Dabura's magical abilities but in terms of raw power, he had enough to win.
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I think it's awesome that Trunks can reach SSJ2. Thought the episode was stalling too much though so they could have Black show up at the end. I mean it would have been better if Trunks and Goku had a longer spar instead of the ten minutes of practically nothing we got instead. Also the animation was very iffy in this one. I like the plot I just wish they'd pace it better.


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I actually have Boo saga Gohan about as strong as Trunks and Vegeta in the Cell Games, so Trunks would really only need to be a little bit stronger to beat Dabura.
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Jun 26 2016, 02:27 PM
I actually have Boo saga Gohan about as strong as Trunks and Vegeta in the Cell Games, so Trunks would really only need to be a little bit stronger to beat Dabura.
That's a pretty steep decline in power, Gohan was already quite a bit stronger than Vegeta and Trunks were with just Super Saiyan, he was at the very least Goku's equal.
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How could Gohan keep up with someone who's around Cell's strength if he's at that level? Goku was having a hard time keeping up and he was much stronger than Vegeta and Trunks.
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I don't understand why people are even surprised how strong Trunks is. Of course they'd press the Toei button and hax him up so he wouldn't be fodder and one-shot material.
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I like that they mentioned Majin Buu stuff for Future Trunks's timeline. I'm a little upset that they ended up bringing Super Saiyan 2 and Super Saiyan 3 back for Goku. But I am glad to see Future Trunks is using Super Saiyan 2.
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I actually have Boo saga Gohan about as strong as Trunks and Vegeta in the Cell Games, so Trunks would really only need to be a little bit stronger to beat Dabura.
That's a pretty steep decline in power, Gohan was already quite a bit stronger than Vegeta and Trunks were with just Super Saiyan, he was at the very least Goku's equal.
Well Goku wasn't that much stronger than them. They were above 50% Goku by quite a bit.

Not that it really matters because we're never told that Gohan barely lost any power. In fact Vegeta made it sound like he lost quite a lot.

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How could Gohan keep up with someone who's around Cell's strength if he's at that level? Goku was having a hard time keeping up and he was much stronger than Vegeta and Trunks.

"Around Cell's strength" is extremely versatile.

The first and most obvious choice is that Dabura is as strong as Cell's full power, aka Super Perfect Cell, but this doesn't work for anyone who doesn't think Gohan was a Super Saiyan 2 (and honestly wouldn't work for most people even who do believe Gohan was a SSj2). Full Power Perfect Cell could work if you believe SSj2, but not SSj.

So as a SSj believer, that means Goku's not literally saying Dabura is as strong as Cell. He's just using Cell as the comparison because Cell is the only villain who is even in the same league as Dabura. Technically Cell's power ranges anything from initial Imperfect Cell to Super Perfect Cell, and he'd still be the only villain Goku has ever met that fits that range of power. If Dabura is as strong as Cell@Goku and that can be considered "about a strong as Cell" despite being much weaker than Full Power Perfect Cell, and even further from Cell's true full power, then I think someone a little stronger than Vegeta's cell game power could also be considered.
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So Future Trunks was trained by the Supreme Kai right? Maybe he trained with the Z-Sword? That is something the Supreme Kai would do. He is a sword wielder though so you would think he would have used it. But he could have also wanted to use a lighter sword or something.
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That's a fair point, Cell is the only one he could really compare to Dabura to.
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That was a great episode and preview for next week. Man I'm loving this saga so far

Do we know when Dabura and babidi showed up in his timeline? Actually it doesn't matter nvm. It was cool though
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If Trunks trained with Kaioshin, would that mean that he's got more potential than Gohan?
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Trunks didn't train with Kaioshin, he got some tips from him on how to beat Dabra but he didn't train with him. Herms corrected himself.
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I mean, I doubt it, but then, he is a half-breed like Gohan, and he was presumably born when his father was a Super Saiyan, so his potential should exceed Gohan's, realistically speaking.
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