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Super Episode 49 (26 June 2016)
Topic Started: Jun 26 2016, 12:32 AM (8,657 Views)
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Wow, where I do I begin? This was quite an episode. Ok, so Trunks just had PTSD, and Bulma slapped him out of it really quickly. After that, Beerus and Whis examine Trunks's time machine, where Whis explains the butterfly effect. Beerus wants to destroy it, but Trunks pleads with Whis not to destroy it, thinking Whis is the god of destruction. Beerus agrees not to destroy it if they give him something he's never eaten before, and of course they do. Vegeta then proceeds to ask what Trunks is doing in the present, and if Majin Boo is the cause. Trunks explains that Bobbidi tried to revive Boo in his timeline, but Trunks trained with Kaioshin and managed to defeat Dabura and Bobbidi preventing his resurrection. Trunks then explains that the person that's responsible for his dark future is Goku, or rather Goku-Black. After this Goku wants to spar with Trunks to see how strong Trunks has become, and Trunks transforms into a Super Saiyan 2, and his able to keep up with Goku. Goku then turns into a Super Saiyan 3 and defeats Trunks. At that point Piccolo and Kuririn show up, and when they show up Black appears in the present and is surprised to see Goku. That's where the episode ends. It was a very good one, but my stream kept cutting out toward the end, which pissed me off!
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Trunks has attacked Goku, much to everyone’s confusion, but Bulma quickly smacks some sense into him. Trunks is amazed to see Goku still alive, since last he knew Goku died during the battle with Cell.

Goku says that “a lot” has happened since then, and Bulma asks Trunks what’s going on. Hearing that this young man is named “Trunks”, Beerus and Whis confirm that this is also kid Trunks’ name, and guess that time travel shenanigans are afoot.

Meanwhile, the Pilaf Gang continue to make a fuss about Future Trunks being Bulma and Vegeta’s illegitimate child and what a scandal this all is, so Bulma finally explains for everyone that the two Trunks are simply two different versions of the same person, from different time periods. Kid Trunks is shocked to learn that this newcomer is a version of himself from the future.

Everyone goes outside to the time machine, which Bulma explains is her great invention. Future Trunks notes how he previously used it to come to this time line when kid Trunks was just a baby. Whis is impressed that a human could really build a time machine…but points out that it’s a serious crime to travel to the past or future, or otherwise manipulate time.

Meanwhile in the future, Goku Black continues to be perplexed at his inability to locate Trunks. He can’t find Trunks’ ki anywhere on the planet. However, there’s a sudden reaction from the ring on his finger. This “Time Ring”, as he calls it, creates a portal…

Back in the present, Whis explains how time is ordinarily only supposed to flow in one direction. If you turn back time to travel to the past and, for instance, pluck a flower, this can have an enormous effect on all later history. Cities and even entire cultures can change, and whole planets can vanish from the universe.

That’s why time travel is strictly regulated, even among the gods. Trunks is surprised to hear Whis mention “gods”, and Bulma explains that Whis and Beerus came from “the world of the gods”.

Beerus says that he could destroy all of them for this crime, and Bulma freaks out, saying that she wasn’t actually the one who built the time machine: it was only her future self! Beerus thinks it hardly makes a difference though.

Meanwhile, Trunks desperately begs Whis for mercy…but Whis explains that Beerus is the god, not him (he’s just an attendant). Trunks now begs Beerus to punish him alone and spare his mother, and Beerus agrees to overlook the offense if they treat him to a new food. Bulma provides some fish sausages, which satisfy Beerus and Whis.

Over in the fields, Piccolo and Kuririn have finally finished the harvest. Chi Chi tells them about the reappearance of the time machine and Future Trunks, so they hurry over to Capsule Corporation. Goten wants to go too, but Chi Chi is adamant that he needs to study for his test.

Bulma (with the Pilaf Gang tagging along) goes into the time machine to check out its condition. She discovers that it has run out of fuel, meaning Future Trunks can’t return to his own time. However, just as Bulma wonders what her future self had in mind, she discovers a notebook in her own handwriting, addressed to herself.

Vegeta asks Trunks what’s gone wrong in the future. Did Majin Boo appear? Trunks explains that no, he was able to defeat Dabra and Babidi and successfully prevent Boo’s resurrection, with help from the instructions Kaioshin gave him (though it was a difficult fight). However, afterwards an even more fearsome foe appeared…

At this point, Trunks again apologizes for attacking Goku. When he saw Goku, he mistook him for this new opponent, and assumed he had failed to travel back in time. In fact, the enemy in the future calls himself “Son Goku”, and looks just like him. However, he wears black clothing, and so they in the future have taken to calling him “Goku Black”. Bulma complains about this clichéd name, but Future Trunks says it was her future self who coined it.

Trunks goes on: when this “Goku Black” appeared on Earth, he said he would exterminate all the Earthlings “for the sake of justice”. Black said he has already wiped out several planets and their inhabitants like this. After fighting against Black for a year, there are now very few Earthlings left in the future. Even Bulma was killed shortly before he came to the past.

Vegeta criticizes his son for “shamelessly” running away, but Bulma steps in, saying the answers are all in the notebook she found. It’s a message from her future self: besides notes (in Bulma’s bad handwriting) it also contains a disc, all full of data for repairing and maintaining the time machine.

With this, Bulma can create more fuel, allowing Trunks to bring Goku and Vegeta back with him to the future to defeat Black. Goku is up for the task, but Vegeta insists he’ll be the one to defeat this future Kakarot. Meanwhile, Beerus thinks they’re all underestimating the complexity of time.

Goku requests a short sparring match with Trunks, in order to help him gauge how strong Black must be. Trunks quickly powers up to his Super Saiyan 2 form, so Goku follows suit. In order to prevent any collateral damage from the match, Bulma activates a protective force field around Capsule Corporation.

Goku is impressed with Trunks’ strength, but Trunks notes how it was no use against Black, who kept powering up more and more as they fought. Hearing this, Goku becomes Super Saiyan 3, and blocks Trunks’ full power blow with just his fingers.

Though Trunks is quickly beaten, Goku is still impressed at how much he’s improved all on his own. And yet this means Black must be even stronger. Trunks confirms this, saying that Black is at least as strong as Goku, if not stronger. Goku is happy to hear this.

Piccolo and Kuririn arrive, but before Trunks can fill them in on the story, a portal appears in the sky and Black steps out. He quickly spots Trunks, then Goku. “So, you’re Son Goku?” “You’re Black, I take it?” The two eye each other intensely…
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Haven't seen it yet, but damnnnnnn, Trunks has some ridiculous boosts if his SSJ2 is keeping up. Either that, or it's the whole thing where their SSJ is actually nowhere near their god forms.
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Goku can use Super Saiyan 3....

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Sure, why couldn't he? The anime and manga are very different in regards to how the Super Saiyan forms work.
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Jun 26 2016, 01:16 AM
Sure, why couldn't he? The anime and manga are very different in regards to how the Super Saiyan forms work.
Except apparently, the manga is a horrible crime against humanity for contradicting Toriyama yet this crap does it too and no one cares.

Also, it creates a scenario where the only way to explain all of this is assume Goku & Vegeta have two base forms in the anime. That is some bullcrap.
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Or there's just a huge difference between SSJ3 and SSJ Blue. That works too, and to be honest, that makes sense considering Vegeta made Super Saiyan Blue out to be far ahead of Super Saiyan 3 when it was shown to Cabba.
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Jun 26 2016, 01:20 AM
Or there's just a huge difference between SSJ3 and SSJ Blue. That works too, and to be honest, that makes sense considering Vegeta made Super Saiyan Blue far ahead of Super Saiyan 3 when it was showed to Cabba.
Not my point, my point was a considerable portion of people reacted to Toyotaro going against Toriyama's statement some horrible crime yet when the anime does it its fine. It's predominately the double standards with the fanbase that annoy me, if you're gonna b***, at least be consistent with yourself is my point.
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What about Goku using Super Saiyan 3 goes against Toriyama's intentions?
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But you see ekrolo2... Faster than Time and shockwaves.

More seriously I haven't seen that much of that, I figured anyone still eating accepted that dbs was anticanon (contradicting so much) or never paid attention to that in the first place.
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Jun 26 2016, 01:25 AM
What about Goku using Super Saiyan 3 goes against Toriyama's intentions?
The fact he said 2 and 3 got discarded because they're useless transformations that waste too much energy and that Goku can raise his power to greater levels by focusing on Base and Super Saiyan? Something that he himself already started breaking by creating Blue which the animes done further still by retconning mastery of SS and now having Goku use 2 and 3 again.
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Goku uses Super Saiyan 3 to demonstrate the next level to Trunks. That's the only reason he resorts to 3 as opposed to God or Blue.
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Jun 26 2016, 01:42 AM
Goku uses Super Saiyan 3 to demonstrate the next level to Trunks. That's the only reason he resorts to 3 as opposed to God or Blue.
Okay, then why didn't Vegeta use it on Magetta? If its still available to him I doubt him using them momentarily would cripple his reserves. Why not demonstrate them to Cabba to give him a better idea of what lies in store for him as he goes down the transformation line?

Hell, why didn't Goku power up to 2 or 3 when he absorbed God and fought Beerus in the show? Hell, when Goku confronts Freeza and powers up, his SS aura glows before he activates Blue for the firs time, implying his God power merged with SS to create Blue. But then regular SS showed back up in the tournament. It's pretty obvious Super Saiyan 1, 2 and 3 weren't meant to exist after a certain point and now they do because I guess they're too iconic to get rid of.

The only way to reconcile this is assume they have two base forms. Though this does little to change the fact hypocrites are gonna ignore the anime with regards to how Toriyama said they'd never use 2 and 3 anymore while damn Toyotaro for bringing back God.
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Jun 26 2016, 01:47 AM
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Goku uses Super Saiyan 3 to demonstrate the next level to Trunks. That's the only reason he resorts to 3 as opposed to God or Blue.
Okay, then why didn't Vegeta use it on Magetta? If its still available to him I doubt him using them momentarily would cripple his reserves. Why not demonstrate them to Cabba to give him a better idea of what lies in store for him as he goes down the transformation line?

Hell, why didn't Goku power up to 2 or 3 when he absorbed God and fought Beerus in the show? Hell, when Goku confronts Freeza and powers up, his SS aura glows before he activates Blue for the firs time, implying his God power merged with SS to create Blue. But then regular SS showed back up in the tournament. It's pretty obvious Super Saiyan 1, 2 and 3 weren't meant to exist after a certain point and now they do because I guess they're too iconic to get rid of.

The only way to reconcile this is assume they have two base forms. Though this does little to change the fact hypocrites are gonna ignore the anime with regards to how Toriyama said they'd never use 2 and 3 anymore while damn Toyotaro for bringing back God.
Well, he doesn't have Super Saiyan 3, for one. Two, I imagine he wants to refrain from using those forms as much as he can. Goku's probably using Super Saiyan 2 in this episode and the next merely because Trunks is using it.

I don't have a problem with the 2-base theory TBH. The more evidence for it's necessity, the better I say. Although, I've pretty much given up scaling Super, so whatever I guess.

Toriyama said they probably wouldn't return, not that they wouldn't for sure. He gave himself leeway so I don't see this as contradictory. The reason people seem to be so uppity about Super Saiyan God's return is that most assumed Super Saiyan God was channeled through Super Saiyan, making Super Saiyan Blue. Separating the forms has created confusion.
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@Goku's probably using Super Saiyan 2 in this episode

Wait wasn't Goku just SSJ in this episode? In the next episode he is clearly in SSJ2 as we can see from the hair style and bangs.

Anyways, cool episode. But, I wish they could spike up or make some difference in Trunks SSJ2 and SSJ hair because they look the same. Although, I guess Trunks turning SSJ2 later on would be quite feasible and rare since it is now for most cases outclassed by other transformations and/or by stronger opponents. Also, it was cool to see babdi and dabura in Future Trunks timeline.
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I wouldn't know. My stream cut out at that bit.
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