Why is Stamina such a huge issue now?

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Why is Stamina such a huge issue now?
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+ ThePrinceOfSaiyans	Jun 25 2016, 08:01 PM Post #1
魔王子 Posts: 9,797 Group: Elite Member Member #10,492 Joined: November 16, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	Seriously, why? Stamina was very rarely brought up in Dragon Ball and in Dragon Ball Z, only ever rearing it's head when Super Saiyan 3 entered the picture, really. This whole stamina debacle has really gotten out of hand IMO.
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+ Clearin	Jun 25 2016, 08:10 PM Post #2
Posts: 12,580 Group: Elite Member Member #6,372 Joined: June 18, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country United Kingdom	What in particular are you talking about? The SSj blue thing? It's just a form-specific flaw. It might have applied to SSj3 too if Goku kept going in and out of it.



+ ThePrinceOfSaiyans	Jun 25 2016, 08:15 PM Post #3
魔王子 Posts: 9,797 Group: Elite Member Member #10,492 Joined: November 16, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	I'm talking about the fact that stamina is brought up at every turn. In the anime, Goku says Super Saiyan Blue drains stamina despite the fact that it has perfect Ki control. In the manga, Goku says the Super Saiyan form saps stamina, or at the very least moving as fast he did caused a rapid drain of it. Now Vegeta merely popping in out of the form massively drained Vegeta, so much so that he was only at 10% strength. There's also Golden Freeza, where his stamina begins to drop rapidly at a certain point in the fight.
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ekrolo2	Jun 25 2016, 08:18 PM Post #4
Posts: 1,601 Group: Member Member #12,689 Joined: October 6, 2015 Gender Male Country None Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Opera Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	Eh, the stamina things always been a thing, Dragon Ball's just overtly talking about it now. Whenever a taxing move gets used they always talked or showed why and how it was so. Kaio-ken left Goku shredded Goku's body (although Vegeta crushing him didn't help), them tinkering with Super Saiyan was primarily done to make their power more flexible without wasting energy,...



+ ThePrinceOfSaiyans	Jun 25 2016, 08:24 PM Post #5
魔王子 Posts: 9,797 Group: Elite Member Member #10,492 Joined: November 16, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	Overtly so, yes, but stamina was more of an issue after a long winded battle or a taxing attack. At this point stamina becomes an issue if you move too fast or pop in and out of a form. Funnily enough, Goku pops in and out of Super Saiyan 3 during his battle with Pure Boo in the anime, so not even Super Saiyan 3 had the issue Super Saiyan Blue does. Edited by ThePrinceOfSaiyans, Jun 25 2016, 08:26 PM.
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ekrolo2	Jun 25 2016, 08:28 PM Post #6
Posts: 1,601 Group: Member Member #12,689 Joined: October 6, 2015 Gender Male Country None Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Opera Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	ThePrinceOfSaiyajins Jun 25 2016, 08:24 PM Overtly so, yes, but stamina was more of an issue after a long winded battle or a taxing attack. At this point stamina becomes an issue if you move too fast or pop in and out of a form. Funnily enough, Goku pops in and out of Super Saiyan 3 during his battle with Pure Boo in the anime, so not even Super Saiyan 3 had the issue Super Saiyan Blue does. A better example would be Goku activating Super Saiyan 3 to save himself from Bootenks then powering down immediately. Although, Super Saiyan 3s weird. Goku in a dead body burns himself out and nearly breaks the planet using it but a living Goku can use it pretty casually.



breaker335	Jun 25 2016, 08:33 PM Post #7
Posts: 879 Group: Member Member #13,278 Joined: June 5, 2016 Gender Male Country United States	ekrolo2 Jun 25 2016, 08:28 PM ThePrinceOfSaiyajins Jun 25 2016, 08:24 PM Overtly so, yes, but stamina was more of an issue after a long winded battle or a taxing attack. At this point stamina becomes an issue if you move too fast or pop in and out of a form. Funnily enough, Goku pops in and out of Super Saiyan 3 during his battle with Pure Boo in the anime, so not even Super Saiyan 3 had the issue Super Saiyan Blue does. A better example would be Goku activating Super Saiyan 3 to save himself from Bootenks then powering down immediately. Although, Super Saiyan 3s weird. Goku in a dead body burns himself out and nearly breaks the planet using it but a living Goku can use it pretty casually. I think it's one of those instances where when you first transform, its long. But after a while you get used to it and it's almost. instant Take Gohan, when he first turned SSJ2 the transformation was long but once Cell back he quickly returned to it.



ekrolo2	Jun 25 2016, 08:35 PM Post #8
Posts: 1,601 Group: Member Member #12,689 Joined: October 6, 2015 Gender Male Country None Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Opera Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	breaker335 Jun 25 2016, 08:33 PM ekrolo2 Jun 25 2016, 08:28 PM ThePrinceOfSaiyajins Jun 25 2016, 08:24 PM Overtly so, yes, but stamina was more of an issue after a long winded battle or a taxing attack. At this point stamina becomes an issue if you move too fast or pop in and out of a form. Funnily enough, Goku pops in and out of Super Saiyan 3 during his battle with Pure Boo in the anime, so not even Super Saiyan 3 had the issue Super Saiyan Blue does. A better example would be Goku activating Super Saiyan 3 to save himself from Bootenks then powering down immediately. Although, Super Saiyan 3s weird. Goku in a dead body burns himself out and nearly breaks the planet using it but a living Goku can use it pretty casually. I think it's one of those instances where when you first transform, its long. But after a while you get used to it and it's almost. instant Take Gohan, when he first turned SSJ2 the transformation was long but once Cell back he quickly returned to it. Its not the first time he transformed though, it was probably the second or third and in a body better suited for it. Yet the next few times he does it way better with no more practice than he had before. Sure, the initial transformations always the big flashy one but for a form that's supposed be murder on you, it doesn't make much in-universe sense for Goku to be so good with a form he admits he has little practice with.



+ Clearin	Jun 25 2016, 08:46 PM Post #9
Posts: 12,580 Group: Elite Member Member #6,372 Joined: June 18, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country United Kingdom	ThePrinceOfSaiyajins Jun 25 2016, 08:15 PM I'm talking about the fact that stamina is brought up at every turn. In the anime, Goku says Super Saiyan Blue drains stamina despite the fact that it has perfect Ki control. In the manga, Goku says the Super Saiyan form saps stamina, or at the very least moving as fast he did caused a rapid drain of it. Now Vegeta merely popping in out of the form massively drained Vegeta, so much so that he was only at 10% strength. There's also Golden Freeza, where his stamina begins to drop rapidly at a certain point in the fight. It's always been like this. SSj Blue draining stamina is no different to what SSj3 did. The problem with Super Saiyan Goku wasn't that the form was draining stamina, it was that Hit's time skip takes up almost no energy, while Goku is the one using effort to make all his movements (and would be very mentally taxing to constantly predict your opponents next movement every single time they use it). In the manga especially Super Saiyan Goku and Hit's fight lasts quite a while. Goku may have mastered Super Saiyan, but that doesn't mean he doesn't have stamina problems regardless, it just means he doesn't lose excessive stamina from the form itself. Take for example Goku vs Tien in the 23rd Budokai. After the first bit of the fight Tien is breathing heaily while Goku is fine. There's a stamina issue there with no form involved. This has nothing to do with Super Saiyans stamina drain, or the lack thereof, it's to do with the fact Hit is using almost no stamina for his time skip while Goku is using a lot to counter it. The popping in and out of SSj Blue is just a one off thing unique to Super Saiyan Blue. It's just a way to balance the form, I guess. Golden Freeza's stamina flaw is the same as 100% Freeza's.



+ Son-Goku	Jun 25 2016, 08:58 PM Post #10
孫悟空 Posts: 13,359 Group: Elite Member Member #12,886 Joined: January 24, 2016 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime DB/DBZ/DBS, Code Geass, Gintama, YYH, Death Note, and SAO. What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Fairy Tail, and Naruto.	Stamina wasn't the issue with Super Saiyan 3. I'm pretty sure Super Saiyan 3 increased Goku's stamina it just consumed a lot more energy. But stamina issues have always been in DBZ like with Frieza vs SS Goku. Obviously SS Goku was stronger than Frieza but Frieza fell behind further as he lost stamina and Goku did not.
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ekrolo2	Jun 25 2016, 09:12 PM Post #11
Posts: 1,601 Group: Member Member #12,689 Joined: October 6, 2015 Gender Male Country None Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Opera Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	SSbardock84 Jun 25 2016, 08:58 PM Stamina wasn't the issue with Super Saiyan 3. I'm pretty sure Super Saiyan 3 increased Goku's stamina it just consumed a lot more energy. But stamina issues have always been in DBZ like with Frieza vs SS Goku. Obviously SS Goku was stronger than Frieza but Frieza fell behind further as he lost stamina and Goku did not. Stamina is energy.



~~OwaisQadri~~	Jun 25 2016, 09:18 PM Post #12
Gerjaffers Posts: 53 Group: Suspended Member #13,332 Joined: June 24, 2016 Gender Male Country United Kingdom Favourite Anime Yu gi oh What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Hunter X hunter	You need stamina to fight and transform.
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highwaysaiyan	Jun 25 2016, 09:23 PM Post #13
Posts: 335 Group: Member Member #12,757 Joined: November 11, 2015	ThePrinceOfSaiyajins Jun 25 2016, 08:01 PM Seriously, why? Stamina was very rarely brought up in Dragon Ball and in Dragon Ball Z, only ever rearing it's head when Super Saiyan 3 entered the picture, really. This whole stamina debacle has really gotten out of hand IMO. stamina was always a basic thing in dragon ball. i dont know where you picked up the idea that it wasnt an issue before.



+ ThePrinceOfSaiyans	Jun 25 2016, 09:40 PM Post #14
魔王子 Posts: 9,797 Group: Elite Member Member #10,492 Joined: November 16, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	highwaysaiyan Jun 25 2016, 09:23 PM ThePrinceOfSaiyajins Jun 25 2016, 08:01 PM Seriously, why? Stamina was very rarely brought up in Dragon Ball and in Dragon Ball Z, only ever rearing it's head when Super Saiyan 3 entered the picture, really. This whole stamina debacle has really gotten out of hand IMO. stamina was always a basic thing in dragon ball. i dont know where you picked up the idea that it wasnt an issue before. You'll notice I didn't deny the existence of stamina issues in Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z, so I'm not sure where you got the idea that I implied it was never an issue. My point is that it's become more accentuated in Super.
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lazerbem	Jun 25 2016, 09:55 PM Post #15
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