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U6 Tournament: Manga PL List
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ekrolo2	Jun 25 2016, 12:38 PM Post #1
Posts: 1,601 Group: Member Member #12,689 Joined: October 6, 2015 Gender Male Country None Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Opera Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	This is a follow up to my Manga PL list that I made a few days ago, you can find it here: http://dbzf.co.uk/topic/8575354/1/#new I want to stress that I didn't use the F manga here because that was made to promote the film and the one detail we know from it is that Goku & Vegeta apparently HAD to work together to beat Freeza when he came back. Implying a different take from either the show or movie where Freeza's arrival was a glorified practice match. Pre-Tournament: Goku - 180 mill (Base) - 90 bill (Super Saiyan, x500 Base) - 18 trill (Super Saiyan God, x100 000 Base, 1.8 on the God Scale) - 36 trill (Super Saiyan Blue, x200 000 Base, 3.6 on the God Scale) Vegeta - 175 mill (Base) - 87.5 bill (Super Saiyan, x500 Base) - 35 trill (Super Saiyan Blue, x200 000 Base, 3.5 on the God Scale) Beerus - 100 trill Whis - 150 trill Champa - 100 trill Vados - 170 trill A few things to get out of the way! The reason for the extremely high increase of regular Super Saiyan is due to Goku & Vegeta increasing their skill with the form to such a degree, it gives them more power than either 2 or 3 while sapping less strength! Their base forms being that low is due to the fact Piccolo, a fighter who isn't shown or mentioned training can take on Frost who Goku and Vegeta needed Super Saiyan in order to defeat, even after two long fights and being quite a bit tired. Thus indicating that Piccolo is still above Goku & Vegeta in their base forms. The Tournament: Universe 7 Team Goku - 280 mil (Base) - 140 bill (Super Saiyan) - 10 bill (Super Saiyan vs Frost) -28 trill (Super Saiyan God, 2.8 on the God Scale) - 56 trill (Super Saiyan Blue, 5.6 on the God Scale) Vegeta - 275 mill (Base) - 137.5 bill (Super Saiyan) - 5 bill (Super Saiyan vs Frost) - 55 trill (Super Saiyan Blue) - 5.5 trillion (Super Saiyan Blue vs Hit) Piccolo - 2 bill (with weights) - 2.75 bill (without weights) Boo - 15 bill Monaka - fodder Universe 6 Team Hit - 280 mill (vs Base Goku) - 5.5 trill (vs tired Super Saiyan Blue Vegeta) - 140 bill (vs Super Saiyan Goku) - 28 trill (vs Super Saiyan God Goku, Max Power) Cabba - 280 mill (Base Form) - 14 bill (Super Saiyan, x50 Base) Magetta - 150 bill (pre-insult) - 0 (post-insult) Frost - 90 mill (First Form) - 180 mill (Second Form) - 270 mill (Third Form) - 7.5 bill (Final Form, vs Goku) - 3 bill (vs Piccolo) - 1 bill (vs Super Saiyan Vegeta) Botamo - No clue, his durability could let him tank hits from even Blooper Saiyan's. Why give Goku and Vegeta such small training gains? Well, I think its because the ROSAT has lost its effectiveness. Already in the Cell Saga we see how the initial time going in the one that yields the best results while further entries into aren't really worthwhile. Whether this has to do with how soon you go in again after the first time or just the fighters getting used to its environment is a debate onto itself. But personally, I'm firmly on the latter side. Like any training form, its good for a certain level of fighter then just rapidly losses effectiveness later on. Cabba only gets an x50 increase for Super Saiyan because he just unlocked it, once he gets stronger and shows back up, he'll probably unlock its full potential like Goku and Vegeta have. And now, Hit. Hits power varies more than any others in the whole tournament if you ask me. When he beats Vegeta, he doesn't know how to deal with his unconscious body, to throw it out or what? This along with later comments about how he's refraining from using killing blows tells me Hit is purposefully dropping his strength to match that of his opponent. This would usually result in an even battle where both contestants can equally wound one another (see Goku vs Cell for proof). However, with Time Leap, Hit can effectively avoid any attack and damage his opponent enough to beat them down, but not kill them. This is why Base Goku is able to hurt him, he drops himself to Base Goku's level to be able to beat him up and not outright kill him which leaves him vulnerable to Goku's surprise Hit. Going back to Cell vs Goku again, if Cell fought Goku at max power, nothing Goku threw at him would've dented the bastard. However, because Cell dropped his strength to fight equally with Goku, this left him open to devastating surprise attacks like the IT Kamehameha. I believe this is a very similar situation.



+ ThePrinceOfSaiyans	Jun 25 2016, 08:05 PM Post #2
魔王子 Posts: 9,797 Group: Elite Member Member #10,492 Joined: November 16, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	I have to ask why the events of Resurrection F would be so much different in Toyotaro's manga. Even his version of Battle of Gods followed roughly the same beats, so surely base Goku and Freeza fought.
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ekrolo2	Jun 25 2016, 08:21 PM Post #3
Posts: 1,601 Group: Member Member #12,689 Joined: October 6, 2015 Gender Male Country None Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Opera Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	ThePrinceOfSaiyajins Jun 25 2016, 08:05 PM I have to ask why the events of Resurrection F would be so much different in Toyotaro's manga. Even his version of Battle of Gods followed roughly the same beats, so surely base Goku and Freeza fought. I'm not saying its impossible but Toyotaro could've very easily done something distinctly different even if it followed similar beats to its source. Even his promotional manga for the movie had stuff like SSJGod cameo, Gohan not get attacked by Freeza or have Piccolo struggle with a Zarbon level adversary. From the sole thing we know of his version, Goku and Vegeta teamed up to fight Freeza, implying a different kind of battle from the practice match shown in the film and TV show.



+ ThePrinceOfSaiyans	Jun 25 2016, 08:28 PM Post #4
魔王子 Posts: 9,797 Group: Elite Member Member #10,492 Joined: November 16, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	Isn't that sorta grasping at straws? Sure Toyotaro could have done something different, but he never did, so shouldn't you be relying on the only material that actually exists?
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ekrolo2	Jun 25 2016, 08:30 PM Post #5
Posts: 1,601 Group: Member Member #12,689 Joined: October 6, 2015 Gender Male Country None Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Opera Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	ThePrinceOfSaiyajins Jun 25 2016, 08:28 PM Isn't that sorta grasping at straws? Sure Toyotaro could have done something different, but he never did, so shouldn't you be relying on the only material that actually exists? I'd probably feel better about it if the whole Piccolo thing didn't make the two impossible to work together. Piccolo's not shown or mentioned or even implied to be anything but worthless fodder by everyone present and yet, if I count the F manga, he should suddenly be stronger than Final Form Freeza and Base Goku from F....



RealSociedad	Jun 25 2016, 11:25 PM Post #6
Posts: 1,352 Group: Member Member #9,575 Joined: June 4, 2013 Favourite Anime Dragonball Z What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Dragonball Z	With all the respect, but this is very wrong imo. How can Goku and Vegeta's base not even be 2x Frieza (namek arc), but the same base Goku& Vegeta are far above SSJ3 Gotenks?



Notaka	Jun 26 2016, 12:22 AM Post #7
Always Wright Posts: 4,070 Group: Member Member #10,814 Joined: January 31, 2014 Country Algeria What Browser do you use? Waterfox Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, JoJo no kimyou na bouken, One piece, currently reading Shaman King	Why are SSJB Goku and SSJB Vegeta that much weaker than Beerus ?
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ekrolo2	Jun 26 2016, 10:56 AM Post #8
Posts: 1,601 Group: Member Member #12,689 Joined: October 6, 2015 Gender Male Country None Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Opera Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	@RealSociedad That's from the anime though and from an event the manga, the subject of the list is ignoring completely and jumping into the Future Trunks arc. Hence why I'm ignoring that for this list. @Notaka I mostly did it because Beerus never says how much power Goku makes him use in the BoG fight, the only thing we do know is that Goku is merely scratching the surface of this new God power and Toyotaro seems to be playing this up with how Blue functions. Hence why I'm assuming he's writing them as if they're still a good deal weaker than him still. To my recollection, unlike the anime, there isn't really any point in the manga where Beerus or Champa become intimidated at the prospect of fighting one of these guys. Edited by ekrolo2, Jun 26 2016, 10:57 AM.



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