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What is wrong with "White pride"?
Topic Started: Jun 24 2016, 06:16 PM (1,838 Views)
Helvius Pertinax Augustus
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Jun 24 2016, 10:05 PM


Can you admit that most times "White Pride" was shouted in streets that it was used as a rallying cry to silence anyone who was not white, sometimes violently so, instead as a simple desire to celebrate their achievements?
I'm not denying that, but the point I am trying to make is that not all white people who are proud of the accomplishments of their race are white supremacists either. It happens with all supremacist groups, look at the Black Lives Matter movement and how they silence all opposition. The Muslim oppression of gays and women in Sweden is also another. Does every Black or Muslim person agree with what they're doing? Probably not, but they're still doing it with little opposition from authorities. White supremacist groups are all underground in pretty much every country now, because it's illegal to openly be a white supremacist and even though white pride and white supremacy are not the same thing, white pride movements are considered white supremacist movements in some of those countries by law as well.

When there's no real legal discernment between white pride and white supremacy, it's no wonder people keep their pride to themselves for fear of legal punishment.

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If you mean that the Nazis hated Slavs and Jews both and wanted to destroy all of them, then yes. Slavs are quite white, but not Aryan, so that was racism there. As for the Armenians, no, the big propaganda surrounding it was making an exclusively Turkic empire with the non-Turks being killed. It's possible some of it was religion based, but more likely it had to do with them not being Turks. I would also say that the discrimination against Jews is discrimination against whites, but I am aware that whether or not Jews count as white is hazy territory.


The discrimination against Jews in Europe was discrimination and genocide against whites but it didn't really stop at Jews. If the Jews were from the Middle East they would be Arab Jews. There's currently a white genocide going on in South Africa and some of the bordering countries right now as well. It doesn't get reported by any large news agencies and some of the sites that do report on it aren't exactly the most credible and have questionable motives but it is happening according to Genocidewatch, which covers all types of genocides regardless of race, sexual orientation, or gender.
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Jun 24 2016, 09:13 PM
I also never understood this, but I think it has to do with whites being the first race to essentially conquer the modern world and infiltrate and destroy different cultures by doing so.

White Europeans throughout history have been known to conquer and divide societies.

Basically the entire the modern world was conquered and infiltrated by white Europeans over the past 500 years.
Africa was largely conquered by the French, and White America used Africans as a way to further their own trade (slavery).
The Americas and the Asian countries were conquered by the British and Italians, South America and Central America the Spanish, etc.

The list goes on.

We whites don't have a good reputation when it comes to how we deal with societies different than our own, but most of what we know and take advantage of in the modern world was driven by European ingenuity and conquest over the past couple thousand years.
Most of our basic knowledge about medicine, science, weaponry, and architecture comes from European inventions and practices.
I don't know if I should consider it funny or ridiculous.

"Your ancestors killed mine hundreds of years ago, therefore you, just like them, are a racist savage, and I still hate YOU for what THEY did."

Or maybe it's neither, maybe it's just stupid.

We spaniards (from Spain, just to be clear) have to deal on a daily basis with our latin-american cousins insulting us just because of what happened so long ago with Columbus and the Conquistadores. I believe USA also has that problem with the native american stuff, right? It's not even the fact that you proudly say "I'm a white man" and get people calling you racist. You sometimes get insulted by doing nothing, just by existing.

I can't believe the kind of trouble you can get into just by working with a latin american. Once or twice, he/she'll say something stereotypical/racially insensitive about you, and he/she'll have no right to say it. It's everything: It's funny, it's ridiculous and it's dumb. Really, really dumb.
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The discrimination against Jews in Europe was discrimination and genocide against whites but it didn't really stop at Jews.

I am aware, yes. I know that gypsies, homosexuals, jehovah's witnesses, slavs, some catholics, and a few others got the stick. My point still stands.
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There's currently a white genocide going on in South Africa and some of the bordering countries right now as well. It doesn't get reported by any large news agencies and some of the sites that do report on it aren't exactly the most credible and have questionable motives but it is happening according to Genocidewatch, which covers all types of genocides regardless of race, sexual orientation, or gender.

Well then, those people can have their white pride if it is in fact the case and if you wish to protest against it, that's not going to be shunned in any way

I hope at least
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Well the problem is that people who do protest it receive jail time or are killed. It's downplayed quite a bit in the states and Europe and even denied that it's happening by those committing the genocide.

Edit: also with that logic the new generation of blacks, gays, or whatever group were discriminated in the past don't have a right to be proud. They haven't earned the right, because they don't have to face any of the trials and tribulations of adversity that their predecessors did. They're given the exact same privileges and responsibilities as everyone else with the added benefit of having laws saying you can't discriminate against them. Technically the laws apply to everyone, but let's be honest here, they were put in place for those groups of people and very rarely does that law ever get applied to discrimination against white people.
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White people have never been discriminated against because of the color of their skin, nor do they face discrimination on a daily basis because of their race.
Well that's an ignorant thing to say.
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White people have never been discriminated against because of the color of their skin, nor do they face discrimination on a daily basis because of their race.
Well that's an ignorant thing to say.
And that's a bit too straightforward, don't you think?
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White people have never been discriminated against because of the color of their skin, nor do they face discrimination on a daily basis because of their race.
Well that's an ignorant thing to say.
Really? How? I'm talking developed countries today. There are no cases in American history of white people (as a race) being discriminated against.

There is no comparison between the discrimination blacks and gays have struggled with in recent history and the way whites have been treated.
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Jun 24 2016, 09:22 PM
White people have never been discriminated against because of the color of their skin, nor do they face discrimination on a daily basis because of their race.
Well that's an ignorant thing to say.
Really? How? I'm talking developed countries today. There are no cases in American history of white people (as a race) being discriminated against.

There is no comparison between the discrimination blacks and gays have struggled with in recent history and the way whites have been treated.
Systemic racism or institutional racism is a form of racism. It is not racism in it's entirety. There's plenty of racism on an individual-level directed at white people every day.

Your last point is irrelevant. The existence of more racism directed at one group of people, does not erase the portion that's directed at another. To suggest that white people are never discriminated against because of the colour of their skin is ludicrous.
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You haven't provided any real examples.

That aside, "white pride" is something that many people adopt to counteract black pride or gay pride. I've never seen it based in any reasoning that actually has merit.
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Better question is, why have pride in your race in the first place?
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Jun 25 2016, 05:15 AM
Better question is, why have pride in your race in the first place?
It's something to do?
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Yes I remember throughout the past two hundred years when White People were subjected to lynchings and hangings and all sorts of nasty... wait, wrong group.

I just hate it when a white person dies and the Westboro Baptist church and the extreme denominations of the three Abrahamic Religions just cheer in appraisal for the murderer and tell that the white person will go to hell... wait, wrong group.

It's really heartbreaking remembering the time that still goes on to this day of when the Whites were massacred, losing 6 million of their own across seas and we had people here in the United States still showing discrimination... wait, wrong group again.

Or the 80's and 90's in New Jersey when white people were arrested for the most ridiculous of reasons and subjected to beatings and had to admit to crimes they never committed en masse, wait, wrong group.

Or in the early times of America here when the Native Americans invaded the indigenous white people and absolutely massacred them with disease, and war with their superior technology and then forced them off their lands and f***ed them over to this very day... wait a minute, f***, wrong group again.

How can I forget here in Chicago and just the mid-west in general where our police-force goes after white people disproportionately despite black and mexicans committing crimes at roughly the same rate, and then all of the unarmed white teenagers and young adults being shot at so much of thinking to run for their lives... wait, goddamnit this is hard.

It hurt me deeply when in the 50's 11 million white people that were here illegally were just deported despite working and providing for the work force and farmers while the illegal mexicans and blacks weren't targeted at nearly the same, wait, oh my god can I get some help here?

I recall in the history books when the white people came here from china and japan and just the asia continent in general and were subjected to horrible racism and workplace discrimination during the Gold Rush and for some reason were a HUGE contribution to the building of the continental railroad... well, I mean, the large majority of that applies to asians actually, but white people contributed through funding I guess that's something to be proud of.

This one hits real close to home considering my heritage comes from Puerto Rico, I remember in 1965 when a survey was done that found 1 in 3 white women in Puerto Rico were permanently sterilized by the laws put in place by Puerto Ricans in congress over in mainland U.S... oh wait a minute...

Just recently, I remember when whites were forced to sit in the back of the bus and were just segregated in general, had seperate but equal facilities that were horribly underfunded and as a result, led to horrible education standards that can still be seen on those from that era, not to mention public facility segregation and all sorts of s*** like that... you know what I'm done, this s***'s too hard.

You can have white pride, that's great. The issue is, what I've listed above. Here in the United States white people have been responsible for incredibly horrible things done to minority groups. I listed sterilizations of Puerto Rican women, but that was happening to those of mental disability, and of different minority ethnicities over in mainland U.S. as well. It's not that hard to see why when a minority looks at someone shouting about white pride and the kind of people that do (not saying that you are them) why they usually get lumped as being a white supremacist. Because you have to ignore a bunch of horrible s*** or you have to justify a lot of horrible s*** done here. The only white discrimination or horrible acts done here in the United States would be towards Irish men and women during the days of indentured servitude. But again, that's quite literally the only example I think of, and even then that was done by other white people.

But, personally, I don't see the point of personally allying myself with a pride movement, I haven't accomplished anything towards a greater goal for mixed race demographics, nor am I selfless enough to do anything about that, especially considering mixed-race kids tend to have atleast the ability to perhaps sway the minds of previously racist people due to family blood. (Although I've known some friends in the past whom's grandparents absolutely despise them as the equivalent of hell-spawn. Hell, I've been likened by my Mom's side of the family as one of the bastard children not to associate with, and from the older ones, LOOK AT ME! I'M BEING RACIST! children, despite not being black. Keep in mind that my Mom's side is white.)

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Just fyi, I'm sure Jet was not comparing the racism against white people (because it exists) to the racism experienced by other races. Whenever this discussion gets brought up everyone has the same reaction: "there is racism against white people", "HOW DARE YOU NO THERE'S NOT LOOK AT ALL THE s*** EVERYONE ELSE HAS HAD TO PUT UP WITH LOOK AT IT". Nobody is arguing that it's on a par with other cases of racism, or even close, just that it exists. Heck, even saying that white people can't 'cry' racism because of everything white people have done is racist i.e. applying a negative characteristic (you're white, share the responsibility of your white brethren) to a person because of their skin colour.

The term 'reverse racism' is racist. Claiming that you can't be racist to white people is racist. White people not being considered for jobs because there is a need to employ other races is racist (although that is clearly a trickier proposition since that is only in practice because of racism present in the workplace, but it's racist nonetheless). Sure, even if that happens you can say that there are still more white people in the workplace so it's not discriminatory, but to that one person who was rejected, it's still racist.

Again, just to reiterate, white people have nowhere near the experience of racism that other races and creeds do (purely for their skin colour because Jewish and Irish people are white, but it's not because they were white). Not. Even. Close. But don't say it doesn't exist.
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Just fyi, I'm sure Jet was not comparing the racism against white people (because it exists) to the racism experienced by other races. Whenever this discussion gets brought up everyone has the same reaction: "there is racism against white people", "HOW DARE YOU NO THERE'S NOT LOOK AT ALL THE s*** EVERYONE ELSE HAS HAD TO PUT UP WITH LOOK AT IT". Nobody is arguing that it's on a par with other cases of racism, or even close, just that it exists. Heck, even saying that white people can't 'cry' racism because of everything white people have done is racist i.e. applying a negative characteristic (you're white, share the responsibility of your white brethren) to a person because of their skin colour.

The term 'reverse racism' is racist. Claiming that you can't be racist to white people is racist. White people not being considered for jobs because there is a need to employ other races is racist (although that is clearly a trickier proposition since that is only in practice because of racism present in the workplace, but it's racist nonetheless). Sure, even if that happens you can say that there are still more white people in the workplace so it's not discriminatory, but to that one person who was rejected, it's still racist.

Again, just to reiterate, white people have nowhere near the experience of racism that other races and creeds do (purely for their skin colour because Jewish and Irish people are white, but it's not because they were white). Not. Even. Close. But don't say it doesn't exist.
Would you agree or concede though that racism against whites by minority races is likely to be reactionary based on personal experience with those that they've associated with? Atleast here in America anyway, we tend to have a sort of wheel of who to discriminate against next, blacks, then asians, then germans, then to vietnamese, back to blacks, then to mexicans, then to muslims, and now it's kind of all culminating against blacks, mexicans, and muslims. It is kind of easy to see why one would meet that discrimination with some of their own no?
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That doesn't matter. Discrimination is still discrimination, understandable or not. Someone murders the murderer of their child, understandable yes, but still murder. You said it doesn't exist.
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